It's time to go - Carey and Burns

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A new Big Brother starts tonight, and after today's spineless gutless effort by the Crows, the evictions should start with them.

Carey and Burns were the players that Adelaide traded for at the end of 2002 as a top up to give us a genuine shot at the flag in 2003 and 2004.

History tells us that we finished 5th last year, and common sense tells us that we won't even reach those heights this year.

Carey and Burns won't be here next year, and I would think that Gary Ayres is a fair chance to join them after today.

I just can't see the logic in playing these 2 players who are only giving us pretty ordinary contributions, and won't be here next year. I would much prefer an ordinary contribution from a young player who will probably be part of our side next year - it's part of their learning process.

Yes, it's time to go - Carey and Burns.
 

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what a heap of ****..................Ronnie is hot and cold - but Wayne trys his guts out week in week out - with very little support from the umpires.

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Unfortunately I agree Macca. If our year is considered over, then may as well look to the future. Schuey IMO is already a better player than Burns, so that one is straight forward. The harder question is whether we are better off playing Rutten at FF. I reckon he would be more mobile than Carey at the moment! :eek:
 

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I cringe every time I see the ball fall to the floor in front of Carey.

He's just so useless at ground level.

Time for younger blood.
 

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Originally posted by MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl
what a heap of ****..................Ronnie is hot and cold - but Wayne trys his guts out week in week out - with very little support from the umpires.

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You're missing the point.

Neither will be part of the Crows plans for next year. We WON'T be premiers this year, and are on a slide down the lader.

The sooner we start rebuilding, the sooner we will be a force again.
 

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I agree 100%. Carey does try hard but he won't be here next year so we should play someone else up forward. Burns is not up to it and its time Schuback got a game before Ronnie.

Some tough hard decisions to be made at AFC regarding a lot of players and some name players as well.
 

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what a heap of **** ... but Wayne trys his guts out week in week out - with very little support from the umpires.
The question that has to be asked: Is Wayne Carey in his final year clearly better than a young prospect we could use for the next 5-10 years?

The answer is a resounding 'no' as much as it hurts me to say it (I was a massive fan of Wayne during his time at North and he's still the best I've seen). So why hurt the progress and future of say a Rutten, Perrie or Jericho and ultimately the club, just for the sake of letting Wayne add another 10-15 games to his overall tally?

He may well be busting his gut and trying hard but he's clearly not the gamebreaking, matchwinning CHF/FF the club believed it was getting and so readily traded so much for. Yes the mind is more than willing, but the body isn't it.

Hell if it's 110% effort you want then let's have me, Stiffy and DaveW in our forward line - sure we wouldn't get a touch but at least we'd all be busting a gut to represent the Adelaide Football Club with determination and pride.
 

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Originally posted by dyertribe
Hell if it's 110% effort you want then let's have me, Stiffy and DaveW in our forward line - sure we wouldn't get a touch but at least we'd all be busting a gut to represent the Adelaide Football Club with determination and pride.
:D

I reckon we could do better than some of them. While Carey has been OK he is robbing a youngster a chance. I would rather throw someone like Ben Rutten to FF and let him sink or swim. At least you will find out if he is up to it and if he is you have a player for the next 5-10 years rather than Carey for another 16 games at best.
 

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Don't worry boys.......I'm just tired, sore & grumpy.

I agree about them not being around next year, but particularly Wayne, I think he does a lot that is unnoticed and that doesn't generate a lot of stats but sets the play up.

I didn't see much of the second half today.

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The only issue is you can't have a whole side of youngsters running round each week. Get rid of Burns by all means but I would keep Carey in the side.
 

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Originally posted by kirky
The only issue is you can't have a whole side of youngsters running round each week. Get rid of Burns by all means but I would keep Carey in the side.
Perrie debuted in 1998 - he could easily replace Wayne in the forward-line both skill and experience-wise. KMac then goes back to CHB where he does his best work and everybody wins.

Unless Scott Stevens does a crash course in kicking straight or Fergus puts on 10kgs of muscle next summer that's what will happen next year anyway.
 

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Originally posted by dyertribe
Fergus puts on 10kgs of muscle next summer that's what will happen next year anyway.
The kids huge now and can't wait to see him get rid of any puppy fat and put on the muscle.
 

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Originally posted by dyertribe
Perrie debuted in 1998 - he could easily replace Wayne in the forward-line both skill and experience-wise. KMac then goes back to CHB where he does his best work and everybody wins.

Unless Scott Stevens does a crash course in kicking straight or Fergus puts on 10kgs of muscle next summer that's what will happen next year anyway.
Correct. That's the whole point isn't it.

Smart's been a legend for us and he's already on the outer - he won't be there next year.

Carey and Burns are playing worse than Smart did - they won't be there next year either.

I could stand us getting hidings like today if we had less experienced players learning their craft.

All today told us is that we are wasting precious time playing guys who are on their very last legs.
 

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Originally posted by macca23
All today told us is that we are wasting precious time playing guys who are on their very last legs.
Sadly what you say is true.

I can't see any point playing Smart unless we are decimated with senior defenders.

I cannot see any point playing Burns full-stop, unless basically no-one else is available.

Would only play Carey if it's felt he assisting the development of other young forwards, but he can't be our main go-to forward at FF.

We need to start settling down our side for the future. eg. Spine of Rutten - Perrie - Roo - McGregor - Bassett/Hentschel
 

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Originally posted by macca23
Correct. That's the whole point isn't it.


All today told us is that we are wasting precious time playing guys who are on their very last legs.
Would still play Carey out of a pocket as i still think his experience up forward would be of some use in the rebuilding process for the rest of this year.

What worries me more is the lack of emerging talent coming through & from what i have seen so far this year the only one i can say that has raised my eyebrow in delight has been T Hentschel, Jericho shows a bit but as for the rest they have got a long way to go.

Gallagher, Bode, Doughty have been around for a few years now & if they are to be our future gun mid-field we are going to be in big trouble in the years ahead.
 
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Outsiders POV.

Whilst Carey was horrible today, you must also consider the delivery given to him, along with the fact that he was playing on the best full-back in league (for the first half, anyway).

If guys like McGregor and Perrie are in the team, Carey simply has to be there as well, even if it's only in a pocket. At the very least he attracts the best defender, which allows Scott Stevens the opportunity to get someone like Milburn, who he can exploit.
 

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In the very harsh reality Carey, Perrie , Mcgregor, Scott Stevens Rutten are not going to win the AFC a game of football as key forwards.

Kenny Mcgregor and Ian Perrie will be very good defenders but Inconsistent forwards, Scott Stevens is a good forward if he is on the other teams second or third best defender, As good as carey has been he isnt the player he used to be and should not be relyed upon to win us a game off his own boot.

Ben Rutten can not rip an SANFL GAME apart yet, so why is he going to be able to do it in the AFL.

Play carey out of a pocket and make Scott Welsh the focal point in the full forward spot. Maybe the club have to take a gamble on Anden parker to play CHF with Scott Stevens on one flank and jerrico on the other. because IMO F Watts just isnt ready for AFL action yet( because hopefully he is the future)
 
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They trie 4 players today at FF - with no success. Problem is delivery and a crowded forwardline, lacking in teamwork - simple.
There were 10 worse players than Carey today, he had no space to work in, and delivery was s.......
Burns started like a house on fire, but was a victim of ineffective KPP to feed off - not his fault.
Agree with re-build process, but can assure everyone the AFC is not about to dishonour one of the AFL greats by having him play his last season in the SANFL - it just will not happen:)
 
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Originally posted by crows98
In the very harsh reality Carey, Perrie , Mcgregor, Scott Stevens Rutten are not going to win the AFC a game of football as key forwards.

Ben Rutten can not rip an SANFL GAME apart yet, so why is he going to be able to do it in the AFL.
Very good points, which some fail to appreciate, beliving we have hidden superstars in waiting.
 

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Originally posted by crows98


Kenny Mcgregor and Ian Perrie will be very good defenders but Inconsistent forwards,

Ben Rutten can not rip an SANFL GAME apart yet, so why is he going to be able to do it in the AFL.

Bull****. Rutten has domainted plenty of SANFL games at CHF, and strong consistent performances are the key to playing well in the AFL. There are plenty of very good AFL players who did not 'rip apart' the lower leagues - VFL, SANFL, WAFL, but who consistently put in solid performances and have continued to do so in the AFL. Plenty of our line-up included.

You live in a dreamworld if you think ripping apart the SANFL is the only way to play well in the AFL.

And you're clearly living with the fairies if you think Perrie would make a good defender. That is clearly not the case, and if you have even watched the Crows before this year you would see Perrie was very strong at CHF when given the responsibility and 'ripped apart' several games - Geelong and Melbourne spring to mind immediately. He was also fantastic against Brisbane as our sole tall.

You're the one living in dreamworld. Rutten will do fine.

We're not asking them to be superstars, just solid contributors.
 

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
They trie 4 players today at FF - with no success. Problem is delivery and a crowded forwardline, lacking in teamwork - simple.
There were 10 worse players than Carey today, he had no space to work in, and delivery was s.......
Burns started like a house on fire, but was a victim of ineffective KPP to feed off - not his fault.
Accepting your post at face value, what you are really saying is that the coaching panel needs a clean-out then.
 

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Very good points, which some fail to appreciate, beliving we have hidden superstars in waiting.
Of course we have hidden superstar in waiting. His name is Fergus Watts. If he can live up to his potential we have CHF pencilled in. Kenny is no superstar but he is still a bloody good CHB and Hentschel will develop into a good KPP although he does need to get more physical. I just loved that bit of play where he ran into a Geelong opponent and got cleaned up but he didn't back out. Sadly that was one off. He needs to have a lot more grunt and agression.

We must go after Brian Harris and Camron Faulkner at the end of the year. I would give up a top 10 pick and a player for those 2.
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18

We must go after Brian Harris and Camron Faulkner at the end of the year. I would give up a top 10 pick and a player for those 2.
The way we're going, the top 10 pick is a formality. We'll have that one for sure.

I can't see the Bullies alowing either of these to slip through their grasp.

Faulkner made a very classy debut. He thinks and uses the ball well.

On the rare chance that they would do a trade, who's the player to parcel up with the draft pick.
 
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