It's time to go - Carey and Burns

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#52
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Good points as this all a symptom of our (lack of) forward structure. Apart from Stiffy, our forward crumbers have been useless all year.

Also, Kenny playing CHF is not a good idea because he plays deep in the forward line, which congests our goal-mouth for leading out of FF, as well as giving us a lack of leading options coming out of defence across CHF/wings (especially given we don't have marking ruckmen). Whereas Perrie tends to give us a leading option that the players had confidence to kick to.
Really valid point.

One thing that struck me in the Richmond game, as opposed to the Saints and Cats games that bookended it, was that our big forwards were very disciplined. In the Saints and Cats games, it wasn't uncommon to see 4-5 big forwards (and even a ruckman with granite hands) contesting the same mark, all bringing defenders with them. The odds of pulling a mark down out of a pack that big are minimal.

Against Richmond, generally our forwards were going 1 out, or at most 2 out with the second man up providing some body protection.

Perrie leading up the ground creates space in the 50 for the other forwards by dragging his man with him.

As for the crumbers...... the less said the better. Bring back Sudjai cook :D
 

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#53
Originally posted by jc67
It's round 6 for christ sake!!
and were ony 2 games out of the 8. http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=ladder
leave em all olone they will click and we will be playing in September.
Maybe just maybe we could be a top 4 chance STILL. Look at our last 12 rounds, http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=fixture&spg=round&m_tournament_id=10&m_round_no=13

Get off their backs (yhe whole teams back).
and its too late to change the coach now!
We have the right to criticise what have been clearly unacceptable performances. Should we accept mediocre perfomances & a lack of hunger by some senior players?

Sure it is only round 6, but we would need a friggin miracle to make the top-4. Making the finals is now unlikely, but still possible.
 

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#54
Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
We have the right to criticise what have been clearly unacceptable performances. Should we accept mediocre perfomances & a lack of hunger by some senior players?

Sure it is only round 6, but we would need a friggin miracle to make the top-4. Making the finals is now unlikely, but still possible.
Yeah you have the right to bag and demorilise who ever you want in life, but more often than not you will get what you have demanded.
the crows will play finals this year.
try supporting them, i know that most read this stuff and you are not helping the team at all.
Jees weve played poorly for 4 weeks and this is how our supportes react??? are we realy this ficle?? what will you people do if we go through a real slump?
DONT BE FAIR WEATHER SUPPORTERS GET BEHIND YOUR CLUB EVEN WHEN YOU DONT AGGREE WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING RUN OR IF WE HAVE BEEN LOSING, THESE ARE THE MARKS OF A TRUE SUPPORTER.


IF THINGS ARNT GOING YOUR WAY WORK HARDER . DONT JUST COMPLAIN!
 

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#55
Originally posted by spindoctor
Bull****. Rutten has domainted plenty of SANFL games at CHF, and strong consistent performances are the key to playing well in the AFL. There are plenty of very good AFL players who did not 'rip apart' the lower leagues - VFL, SANFL, WAFL, but who consistently put in solid performances and have continued to do so in the AFL. Plenty of our line-up included.

You're the one living in dreamworld. Rutten will do fine.

We're not asking them to be superstars, just solid contributors.

l guessing your in a dream world or a mad West Adelaide suppoter, because Ben Rutten has been on adelaide list, this being his second year and one as a rookie and he has only played 2 games. Why dose he play at CHF for west adeladie if he is going to be a gun AFL FF, surly Rhen would be playing him at FF instead of that kid who has only played 4 games now. But Rutten who only takes maybe 3 marks agame.

If Ben Rutten is our shining light l will be happy for him becasue after all, what we want is for AFC to win games who cares who it is.
 

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#56
Originally posted by jc67
Yeah you have the right to bag and demorilise who ever you want in life, but more often than not you will get what you have demanded.
the crows will play finals this year.
try supporting them, i know that most read this stuff and you are not helping the team at all.
Jees weve played poorly for 4 weeks and this is how our supportes react??? are we realy this ficle?? what will you people do if we go through a real slump?
DONT BE FAIR WEATHER SUPPORTERS GET BEHIND YOUR CLUB EVEN WHEN YOU DONT AGGREE WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING RUN OR IF WE HAVE BEEN LOSING, THESE ARE THE MARKS OF A TRUE SUPPORTER.


IF THINGS ARNT GOING YOUR WAY WORK HARDER . DONT JUST COMPLAIN!
No need to shout to get your message across.

Firstly, I take exception to being called a fair weather supporter, as I rarely miss a game (last game I missed was my Dad's 60th a few years back) regardless of how we are playing or the weather conditions. I support my team at the game through thick & thin. When people have been calling for Ayres' resignation, I have said that we should stand by him to year's end.

However, I do not accept any form of mediocrity in life & why should I? If people can't take constructive criticism, then they will never improve! Some of our players are not giving 100% & that hurts me as a supporter of our club. I have a right as a supporter to say that this lack of commitment by these players is unacceptable & that they need to lift their game & take pride in the jumper.
 

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Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
No need to shout to get your message across.

Firstly, I take exception to being called a fair weather supporter, as I rarely miss a game (last game I missed was my Dad's 60th a few years back) regardless of how we are playing or the weather conditions. I support my team at the game through thick & thin. When people have been calling for Ayres' resignation, I have said that we should stand by him to year's end.

However, I do not accept any form of mediocrity in life & why should I? If people can't take constructive criticism, then they will never improve! Some of our players are not giving 100% & that hurts me as a supporter of our club. I have a right as a supporter to say that this lack of commitment by these players is unacceptable & that they need to lift their game & take pride in the jumper.
That is a very fair point and correct of you but it get beyond the point when people continually take pot shots at easy targets ( not saying you) like Mcleod and Carey to be droped and to sack the coach after round 1 is a bit **** poor from some supporters.

mediocrity can not be accepted by this club as was seen in 95 and 96 with Robert Shaw as coach but the squad is different now. We have Medioa talent on our list now, but l dont beleave any player is not trying to win and isnt showing any heart whilst on the ground.
 

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Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
No need to shout to get your message across.

Firstly, I take exception to being called a fair weather supporter, as I rarely miss a game (last game I missed was my Dad's 60th a few years back) regardless of how we are playing or the weather conditions. I support my team at the game through thick & thin. When people have been calling for Ayres' resignation, I have said that we should stand by him to year's end.

However, I do not accept any form of mediocrity in life & why should I? If people can't take constructive criticism, then they will never improve! Some of our players are not giving 100% & that hurts me as a supporter of our club. I have a right as a supporter to say that this lack of commitment by these players is unacceptable & that they need to lift their game & take pride in the jumper.
opps i didnt mean to get personal mate, your posts are usually positive, i am just getting a bit sick of the constant bagging that everone (not only this site) seems to be into atm.
btw i have been a vocal critic of ayres but after 5 games its too late to change, so again i bergrudgingly support him for the rest of the season.

PS: i am guessing you dont have any kids or manage any ppl because your comment on constructive criticism is way way off the mark.
 

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Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Are you suggesting we should be treating the Crows players like kids?
No not at all what I am saying is that subordinates will always react to what they are told they are.
If you tell your staff that they are useless then they will be. If you tell your kids that they are naughty then guess what??
Its human nature, if you want positive people, then treat them with positive respect.
 

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Originally posted by jc67
No not at all what I am saying is that subordinates will always react to what they are told they are.
If you tell your staff that they are useless then they will be. If you tell your kids that they are naughty then guess what??
Its human nature, if you want positive people, then treat them with positive respect.
Having managed staff, I agree encouragement is important, but so is honesty. Need to manage different staff in different ways depending on what makes them tick. Could go on, but this a different issue altogether, as we are not dealing with the players or club directly on this forum.
 

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Originally posted by jc67
Yeah you have the right to bag and demorilise who ever you want in life, but more often than not you will get what you have demanded.
the crows will play finals this year.
try supporting them, i know that most read this stuff and you are not helping the team at all.
Jees weve played poorly for 4 weeks and this is how our supportes react??? are we realy this ficle?? what will you people do if we go through a real slump?
DONT BE FAIR WEATHER SUPPORTERS GET BEHIND YOUR CLUB EVEN WHEN YOU DONT AGGREE WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING RUN OR IF WE HAVE BEEN LOSING, THESE ARE THE MARKS OF A TRUE SUPPORTER.


IF THINGS ARNT GOING YOUR WAY WORK HARDER . DONT JUST COMPLAIN!
I dont think any of us on here are fair weather supporters, if anything we're quite the opposite. I'm sure I'm speaking for most of the Crows suppoters on here when I say we don't mind watching our tream lose valiantly. Obviously we want to see them win every game but if they do lose, we dont want to be through lack of dedication and effort.

There were plenty of passengers on Skilled Stadium yesterday and not many of them were Geelong players. We have a talented squad and we certainly are capable of playing finals football but if we see too many efforts like yesterday's the only prize we'll be chasing is the wooden spoon.
 

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#63
Originally posted by MaccasNeighbour
I dont think any of us on here are fair weather supporters, if anything we're quite the opposite. I'm sure I'm speaking for most of the Crows suppoters on here when I say we don't mind watching our tream lose valiantly. Obviously we want to see them win every game but if they do lose, we dont want to be through lack of dedication and effort.

There were plenty of passengers on Skilled Stadium yesterday and not many of them were Geelong players. We have a talented squad and we certainly are capable of playing finals football but if we see too many efforts like yesterday's the only prize we'll be chasing is the wooden spoon.
I recon they know they played/coached poorly and it is redundant for us to point it out as often as we do (myself included).
can you imagine what they are going through on the track and boardroom?
The "fair weather" comment was intended to stop a few (only a few??) ppl bagging our club for the enjoyment. (not restricted to BF)
Altgouth it does seem to me that an awful lot of guru's on this site are amazingly fickle and as such will be easily influenced by what in written by others.
IE (not a real example) why drop smarty?? Then 2 days later smart should be delisted!
PS ; in 13 years of footy tipping I have never once tipped against the crows ever and never will, they are my team and will always back them to win even when victory is almost impossible.
 

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#64
Originally posted by macca23
it's time to go - Carey and Burns.
As I inferred in a previous thread, Carey seems physically unable to be the game killer he once was, which is sad, coz you can almost see his mind ticking over so fast, but the bones & muscles just wont react.

He is still of value if you can get a young forward line set up, with Carey on the periphery, after all, who would be a better teacher for a young, strong, tall forward?

Burns on the other hand is GAWN, just like I said in my preview, (sorry, an "I told you so" is very childish of me) there is no hiding the fact he has lost the pace of the game, or even worse, he has lost interest in the game.
 

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Originally posted by jc67
PS ; in 13 years of footy tipping I have never once tipped against the crows ever and never will, they are my team and will always back them to win even when victory is almost impossible.
I admire your loyalty but not your common sense.

I've won footy tipping comps several times by just picking who I think will win, not who I want to.

There is such a thing as reality. That's not being disloyal.
 

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Originally posted by macca23
I admire your loyalty but not your common sense.

I've won footy tipping comps several times by just picking who I think will win, not who I want to.

There is such a thing as reality. That's not being disloyal.
iv'e won 5 comps but ony in 2 years 93 and 03,
32 pts this year is looking pretty sick though.
 

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Re: Re: It's time to go - Carey and Burns

Originally posted by Asgardian
As I inferred in a previous thread, Carey seems physically unable to be the game killer he once was, which is sad, coz you can almost see his mind ticking over so fast, but the bones & muscles just wont react.

He is still of value if you can get a young forward line set up, with Carey on the periphery, after all, who would be a better teacher for a young, strong, tall forward?

Burns on the other hand is GAWN, just like I said in my preview, (sorry, an "I told you so" is very childish of me) there is no hiding the fact he has lost the pace of the game, or even worse, he has lost interest in the game.
Spot on. Agree with all of that.
 

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Originally posted by crows98
l guessing your in a dream world or a mad West Adelaide suppoter, because Ben Rutten has been on adelaide list, this being his second year and one as a rookie and he has only played 2 games. Why dose he play at CHF for west adeladie if he is going to be a gun AFL FF, surly Rhen would be playing him at FF instead of that kid who has only played 4 games now. But Rutten who only takes maybe 3 marks agame.

If Ben Rutten is our shining light l will be happy for him becasue after all, what we want is for AFC to win games who cares who it is.
You don't read, do you? I never said he was going to be a gun FF. I said we wanted SOLID CONTRIBUTORS. CONSISTENT. Read what I bloody write before attacking it.

If you knew anything about the SANFL, you'd know that SANFL coaches play AFL-listed players where they most need them, not where the AFC wants them. It has always been a bone of contention, and it is no different here.

And you clearly have never watched him play, because he takes more like 8 marks a game.

You're beginning to really nag me with your inability to read other peoples' posts and unthought comments.
 

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#69
Originally posted by jc67
Yeah you have the right to bag and demorilise who ever you want in life, but more often than not you will get what you have demanded.
the crows will play finals this year.
try supporting them, i know that most read this stuff and you are not helping the team at all.
Jees weve played poorly for 4 weeks and this is how our supportes react??? are we realy this ficle?? what will you people do if we go through a real slump?
DONT BE FAIR WEATHER SUPPORTERS GET BEHIND YOUR CLUB EVEN WHEN YOU DONT AGGREE WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING RUN OR IF WE HAVE BEEN LOSING, THESE ARE THE MARKS OF A TRUE SUPPORTER.


IF THINGS ARNT GOING YOUR WAY WORK HARDER . DONT JUST COMPLAIN!
It would probably help if the Adelaide Football Club's management, players and staff took a good hard look at themselves and spotted bullsh|tting the fans.

This state puts so much faith and support into this team and has more often than not got **** all in return - and I made this point and showed some more in my preseason prediction on this very board: Biggest Bombshell. We were assured by all and sundry at West Lakes that we were a top four side and that last season's pathetic fadeout was an aberration. Rhetoric from the coach and senior players suggested that were absolutely determined to deliver onfield success in 2004.

What have we received? A 1-5 start with some of the most insipid and gutless displays we've seen since 2000 and before that, 1996.

As for standing by the club, every supporter showed absolute faith in the decision by the club to mortgage away our future to get an old and crocked Wayne Carey on a top-up Premiership gamble.

And at the end of the day I've paid my (gold) membership fees for the past 8 years and have every right to voice my disapproval at the cabbage we're continually served up, despite being promised caviar.

Andrew McLeod proving he's worth the wages he's on this Saturday night would be a good start.
 

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Originally posted by dyertribe

What have we received? A 1-5 start with some of the most insipid and gutless displays we've seen since 2000 and before that, 1996.
I thought we lost with some dignity against the Saints. Apart from Richmond, who are also crap, the rest of the games have had a quarter here and a quarter there at best, with some very smelly stuff for the balance.

Originally posted by dyertribe

As for standing by the club, every supporter showed absolute faith in the decision by the club to mortgage away our future to get an old and crocked Wayne Carey on a top-up Premiership gamble.
Yes, we did back them because we believed the bullsh*t they spun us about Wayne's physical condition

With the benefit of hindsight, it has to be one of the worst gambles taken in modern day footy. Losing gamblers should pay the price for their actions.

Originally posted by dyertribe


And at the end of the day I've paid my (gold) membership fees for the past 8 years and have every right to voice my disapproval at the cabbage we're continually served up, despite being promised caviar.
I wish it was as good as cabbage!!! It's brown and it's smelly!! :mad:

Originally posted by dyertribe


Andrew McLeod proving he's worth the wages he's on this Saturday night would be a good start.
7 bloody disposals!!! Where has the AA classy player who could take a game apart with 30+ disposals on a regular basis gone?? The club are adamant that he's not injured, so how can a player so talented play such ordinary football for so long?? He looked like a rookie on Saturday, rather than the champion he once was.
 

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Originally posted by dyertribe
It would probably help if the Adelaide Football Club's management, players and staff took a good hard look at themselves and spotted bullsh|tting the fans.

This state puts so much faith and support into this team and has more often than not got **** all in return - and I made this point and showed some more in my preseason prediction on this very board: Biggest Bombshell. We were assured by all and sundry at West Lakes that we were a top four side and that last season's pathetic fadeout was an aberration. Rhetoric from the coach and senior players suggested that were absolutely determined to deliver onfield success in 2004.

What have we received? A 1-5 start with some of the most insipid and gutless displays we've seen since 2000 and before that, 1996.

As for standing by the club, every supporter showed absolute faith in the decision by the club to mortgage away our future to get an old and crocked Wayne Carey on a top-up Premiership gamble.

And at the end of the day I've paid my (gold) membership fees for the past 8 years and have every right to voice my disapproval at the cabbage we're continually served up, despite being promised caviar.

Andrew McLeod proving he's worth the wages he's on this Saturday night would be a good start.

Yeah DT you are the sort of supporter that annoys us true supporters.
Because you pay the most for your ticket, your opinion is more relevant that others???
Iv’e been reading your previous posts for over an hour and iv’e come to the conclusion that you are not an AFC supporter but an AFC sniper.
Nothing I have read indicates that you have ever been hurt by our defeats but rather angry and look to blame.
you seem to think that you know best and whoever doesn’t agree with you, will be discredited, but poorly done and lacking real insight and intelligence (exept for a couple of posters that you suck up to).
I bet that you are one of those members that abuses the players when you don’t like what’s happening
That whinges and whines about everything in life as it’s not your fault, that always knows the best thing to do but does nothing yourself?
I get *****ED off with AFC snipers. Try to support them rather than exercise your right to slag off (voice disapproval) at them at every chance you get.
I bet it's annoying for you when they win as there is nothing to complain about? Oh hang on yes you do--you would have done this or that so and so should be relegated etc etc.
I promise you that the club is having a good hard look, and mate you really badly need to also.
The players are hard on themselves and while it is fun to get into them a bit, when it’s getting this tough they don’t need you and your arrogant opinions. And neither do us real supporters!
 

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Originally posted by jc67
Yeah DT you are the sort of supporter that annoys us true supporters.
Because you pay the most for your ticket, your opinion is more relevant that others???
Never said my opinion was more relevant than others - if you could comprehend English you would've concluded that I was making the point that I have poured plenty of money into the club and as such have a right to an opinion, whether you disagree with it or not.

Originally posted by jc67
Iv’e been reading your previous posts for over an hour and iv’e come to the conclusion that you are not an AFC supporter but an AFC sniper.
Nothing I have read indicates that you have ever been hurt by our defeats but rather angry and look to blame.
you seem to think that you know best and whoever doesn’t agree with you, will be discredited, but poorly done and lacking real insight and intelligence (exept for a couple of posters that you suck up to).
Lacking real insight and intelligence? How about you cite examples rather than just make cowardly accusations and sweeping generalisations?

As for your comments pertaining to me not hurt by our defeats? That's simply ludicrous. Everybody supporter is hurt by every defeat and that's where the anguish comes from. What do you suggest we do? Give a loud "well done boys" when we're polished off by Geelong? Get real.

As for these posters I suck up to? Like who? I've had conflicting opinions with everyone on this board at some stage in the past - how far did you go back to come to this conclusion?

Originally posted by jc67
I bet that you are one of those members that abuses the players when you don’t like what’s happening
Actually no. I'm the first to tell the moaners and groaners to zip it and get behind our club when we're down.

Originally posted by jc67
That whinges and whines about everything in life as it’s not your fault, that always knows the best thing to do but does nothing yourself?
You're dribbling nothing but sh|t now. What's your opinion on the price of salmon in Bavaria?

Originally posted by jc67
I bet it's annoying for you when they win as there is nothing to complain about? Oh hang on yes you do--you would have done this or that so and so should be relegated etc etc.
I promise you that the club is having a good hard look, and mate you really badly need to also.
Are you for real? This is quickly becoming one of the preachiest loads of bullsh|t I've ever read. Once again... find me some of my posts after we've won and point out where I have said such things.


Originally posted by jc67
The players are hard on themselves and while it is fun to get into them a bit, when it’s getting this tough they don’t need you and your arrogant opinions. And neither do us real supporters!
It's fun is it?

As for my "arrogant opinions" if you don't like them don't read them. Simple.
 

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Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Hmmm, the natives are restless...
Well this native is flummoxed. Not sucking up to you here Kane (!) but I'd like to know how jc67 can launch an unprovoked personal attack on me - completely unrelated to football or the debate at hand (scroll up, you'll see it) - yet at the same time accuse me of being a 'sniper'...

Champagne hypocrisy.
 
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