Player Watch Ivan Soldo

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[tiger_tough]

Is it I-van or E-van?

I know Ivan Maric got upset if you didn't use the Croatian pronunciation E-van. Heard him correct someone on the radio, as well as post game function when he played for th Magpies in the SANFL pre 2013 re-unification.

Gotta do a Les Murray and at least pronounce the persons name correctly.

All Croats are E-van I believe. They're cousins.

 

[Rendaw]

The trade in the tracker is 41 + 49 + F2 (Freo) + F4 (Port) for Soldo + 50.

So 2 second round picks + a 4th round essentially. Crazy that 41 is a second round pick.

 

[philthy05]

Soldo is a good stopgap while we develop our next ruck. I don’t think people should be expecting a gun ruck, that’s not what his history shows.

But he should be a competitive piece and an upgrade on cooked lycett of the last two seasons (which isn’t a high bar)

My concern is we’ve overpaid for him and further weakened our ability to build and strengthen our team in the future.

Soldo was going to be a free agent next year and as such at his age and injury history and being a backup he wouldn’t have gotten a compo pick for Richmond at all.

They’ve absolutely made out like bandits in the deal. Good for them.

Particularly annoying they got freos 2nd and not ours.

But this is what happens when you’ve got a useless asshat who refuses to develop players in certain positions and then the club goes all in on extending him and getting him the pieces to try to snag a cup.

I called it ages ago, our ruck mess created by the coach will leave us desperate and we will pay a price for that.

In any case our ruck will be in a far better situation than recently, so we’ve improved our team, but downside is that as has been mentioned we’re basically clearing out 3 straight drafts and that’s going to have massive repercussions in a few years.

It’s flag or bust to be honest. We don’t flag in the next two seasons there’s a chance we bottom out so hard it sets our club back decades and threatens its existence. We just can’t afford the same bottom out clubs like north, melb, dogs etc have gone through. The vfl won’t give us the same leg ups.

 

[Contested Marx]

Welcome to the club Roller

 

[philthy05]

In the end overpay, thanks to Hinkley being a ****wit and leaving us in a position where we need to do that, but I think we will enjoy watching him and with sweet will be stronger ruck unit than we’ve had in a while.

 

[Spadge]

My concern is we’ve overpaid for him and further weakened our ability to build and strengthen our team in the future.

Its all about now... Last thing Koch and Hinkley give a shit about is 3-4 years time... saving bacon now..later on can be someone elses problem

 

[JimmyBC]

Well two things to answer to this post

1.

Yeah sure, draft picks are somewhat overrated, you’re conceding known for unknown but the upshot is the upside potential of a draft pick.

A great example is the Polec trade. A known decent player for pick 11 which we later turned into pick 5 (rozee)

I suspect if we look at draft picks in that range there’s a fair chance it busts or produces a player of lower quality than Polec, but the flip side is sometimes it produces a player far better than that player.

In this case rozee.

2.

You have brought up this before. Draft picks are overrated

Sure, but the entire league overrates draft picks.

It doesn’t matter if diamonds are overpriced for what they are, or under priced for what they are, if the going rate for them is x , and you pay or sell for y, you made a dumb decision.

Why should port be the team to not get value for draft picks because they’re overrated?

Do you apply the same outgoing logic, since duursma is trading out, and draft picks are overrated should we expect a price far higher for him? Do you think we would get it?


Yea draft picks are somewhat overrated in the league, you’re buying hope / potential.

But that’s no reason for us to undervalue them ourselves in trades if other teams still hold the market for picks as worth a certain amount.

You are exhausting.

 

[melanChronic]

Glad to have big Ivan on the books. Hopefully he can have a late career emergence like his cousin did after moving from Adelaide to Richmond. Will be nice to have a proper tap ruckman who can actually take a mark.

Trade ends up valuing him between 10-20 depending on where Fremantle finish next year. So probably a pick in the low teens. He essentially becomes our first pick next year, so a high price but could pay off if he can let our midfield fully dominate other teams.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

You are exhausting.

Might just be the long nights in the wank shed?

 

[Coobk001]

The trade in the tracker is 41 + 49 + F2 (Freo) + F4 (Port) for Soldo + 50.

So 2 second round picks + a 4th round essentially. Crazy that 41 is a second round pick.

49 and 50 are irrelevant, it's a 1 position swap in a part of the draft where you're probably getting the player you want on your draft board regardless.

So the deal is really

Port OUT: F2 (Freo) + 41 + F4 (Port)
Rich OUT: Soldo

Richmond are definitely the winners in the trade, our F2 would've been better. Alternatively I'm not sure why our F4 is involved in this scenario.

It's a trade that makes sense to do though given the type of player Soldo is for us, but I still don't understand why we'd bother with both him and Sweet. Time will tell with how it plays out.

 

[bomberclifford]

He should shave his mo and grow out his hair like this guy:

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Its fine and I'm glad he's across.

As much as I've been a defender of Hayes we need a ruckman that our coach will actually play. Hopefully Soldo is acceptable to the cult.

 

[Wargreymon90]

Richmond rates us higher than Fremantle. That’s nice I suppose.

 

[PAFC66]

Richmond rates us higher than Fremantle. That’s nice I suppose.

But where does Troy Chaplin rate us?

 

[JimmyBC]

It's a trade that makes sense to do though given the type of player Soldo is for us, but I still don't understand why we'd bother with both him and Sweet. Time will tell with how it plays out.

Because they are gonna dice Lycett & Hayes I'd imagine.

Dante could be looking at SANFL only for two years solid with these two coming in.

 

[RossFC]

Done deal

 

[Coobk001]

Dante could be looking at SANFL only for two years solid with these two coming in.

This is my main concern. I personally think from a long term list management perspective Visentini has a high ceiling and would've been a good 2nd ruck behind a short term option. Then I would've left Hayes who is more than competitive as that backup break glass 3rd option.

It all just doesn't make a heap of sense to me but who knows how it'll play out I guess.

 

[Coobk001]

Done deal

I thought trades couldn't happen till 3pm?

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

I thought trades couldn't happen till 3pm?

They brought it forward to 2pm.

 

[melanChronic]

The extra future 4th just seems pointless, especially with what Geelong are reported to want. Are we doing it to spite Geelong? Is this whole thing an orchestrated farce to keep people on tenterhooks over the exchange of a few 4th rounders?

 

[raptalia]

Good get for you guys its a shame he did his ACL in 2020 as he was having a great season and just hasn't been able to get on the park consistently since then. I rate him more than Nank he is a decent mark in the F50 and a pretty good shot at goal but Nank offers more around the ground.

Shame to see him go as I reckon by end of 24 he would have been our first choice ruck but I guess with Samson Ryan in the wings who we want to play more in the ruck and Kozzie probably taking that 2nd forward / bit of time in the ruck role perhaps the big man saw the writing on the wall and you couldn't blame him for wanting to move to a great club that is in the window and be first choice ruck.

In regards to Lycett there is a bit of news around that Richmond are going to pick him up as a free agent for depth but I think we should stick clear of that can't see him offering much.

To most of us Lycett looked cooked as he struggled to get through as full game in 2023 and that is why most of us are happy to get Ivan Soldo. Scott is 31 so he probably has 2 or 3 years left in him if you guys can get him fit. I assume Richmond would do a full medical before they took Scott on. I also hope we did a full medical on Soldo as he seems to have had a few injuries.

 

[Spadge]

 

[Spadge]

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

LCOEMWE. Why.