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From the last two rounds of Sheffield sheild to call for the permanent removal of kookaburra balls and replacement with dukes balls.

With any luck the eggheads at cricket australa feel the same.
 

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The ball appears to be swinging and seaming around more and asking more questions of the batsmen. This is good for the technical development of younger batsmen leave the kookaburra for tip and run giggle giggle and when the poms come over.
Have you seen how bowler-dominated the Shield comp has already been over the past few years?
 

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The ball appears to be swinging and seaming around more and asking more questions of the batsmen. This is good for the technical development of younger batsmen leave the kookaburra for tip and run giggle giggle and when the poms come over.
This round we have had some green tops. Last round there were flat decks and runs were piled on. It would hoop around and go off the seam with the kookaburra as well on a green deck.
 

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Have you seen how bowler-dominated the Shield comp has already been over the past few years?
I haven't followed the shield overly closely in the last 2 years or so, but at a glance it would seem the talent levels of our bowlers are significantly higher than our batsmen so this is not surprising.

Hard to compare batsmen to bowlers, but I would say Australia's top 15 bowlers are about as good as our top 10 batsmen, and there's less bowlers per team plus two of those batsmen are suspended. The difference in quality of our bowlers compared to batsmen isn't just confined to our international team - it permeates right through the domestic scene.

About the only thing to offset this in favour of the batsmen at the moment is how much time our quick bowlers are spending on the sidelines.
 
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Unfortunately there is so little coverage of Shield cricket now that it is difficult to know whether the low scores in the current round( at least at the Gabba and in Sydney) are attributable to the greentop wickets, extravagant swing or whatever. Given the scarcity of rain in either city its hard to see why there would be greentops unless the curator deliberately poured on the water. You'd think cricket Australia would have instructed them to make them reasonably true , given they've already given the bowlers the advantage of the Duke . You'd think given the parlous state of our batting stocks they wouldn't want to totally destroy the confidence of all the aspirants for Ashes selection. And consider that Queensland's first innings was effectively ruined by a rookie spinner on a first day wicket, but that Swepson of Queensland didn't get a bowl in either innings and its even harder to work out from a distance what's going on here. All most have to go on are the bald scores. But if the tracks weren't that bad, and the damage is attributable to a Duke ball swinging around, then gawdhelpus come the Ashes. I'm sure the likes of Neser, Stektee, Copeland, Boland and Tremain are very decent Shield bowlers but lets face none of them have looked up to Test class and they sure as hell don't compare with an attack picked from Anderson, Broad, Woakes Stokes etc. Hopefully given the Tests are in August we might at least bat under blue skies - if we bat under clouds against that attack armed with the Duke we'll be looking at sub 150 scores more often than not.
 

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Unfortunately there is so little coverage of Shield cricket now that it is difficult to know whether the low scores in the current round( at least at the Gabba and in Sydney) are attributable to the greentop wickets, extravagant swing or whatever. Given the scarcity of rain in either city its hard to see why there would be greentops unless the curator deliberately poured on the water. You'd think cricket Australia would have instructed them to make them reasonably true , given they've already given the bowlers the advantage of the Duke . You'd think given the parlous state of our batting stocks they wouldn't want to totally destroy the confidence of all the aspirants for Ashes selection. And consider that Queensland's first innings was effectively ruined by a rookie spinner on a first day wicket, but that Swepson of Queensland didn't get a bowl in either innings and its even harder to work out from a distance what's going on here. All most have to go on are the bald scores. But if the tracks weren't that bad, and the damage is attributable to a Duke ball swinging around, then gawdhelpus come the Ashes. I'm sure the likes of Neser, Stektee, Copeland, Boland and Tremain are very decent Shield bowlers but lets face none of them have looked up to Test class and they sure as hell don't compare with an attack picked from Anderson, Broad, Woakes Stokes etc. Hopefully given the Tests are in August we might at least bat under blue skies - if we bat under clouds against that attack armed with the Duke we'll be looking at sub 150 scores more often than not.
In fairness Copeland was tried and did fine considering he was bowling 126 on the world’s least responsive wickets. He’s proven over nearly a decade at home and in England.
 

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Unfortunately there is so little coverage of Shield cricket now that it is difficult to know whether the low scores in the current round( at least at the Gabba and in Sydney) are attributable to the greentop wickets, extravagant swing or whatever. Given the scarcity of rain in either city its hard to see why there would be greentops unless the curator deliberately poured on the water. You'd think cricket Australia would have instructed them to make them reasonably true , given they've already given the bowlers the advantage of the Duke . You'd think given the parlous state of our batting stocks they wouldn't want to totally destroy the confidence of all the aspirants for Ashes selection. And consider that Queensland's first innings was effectively ruined by a rookie spinner on a first day wicket, but that Swepson of Queensland didn't get a bowl in either innings and its even harder to work out from a distance what's going on here. All most have to go on are the bald scores. But if the tracks weren't that bad, and the damage is attributable to a Duke ball swinging around, then gawdhelpus come the Ashes. I'm sure the likes of Neser, Stektee, Copeland, Boland and Tremain are very decent Shield bowlers but lets face none of them have looked up to Test class and they sure as hell don't compare with an attack picked from Anderson, Broad, Woakes Stokes etc. Hopefully given the Tests are in August we might at least bat under blue skies - if we bat under clouds against that attack armed with the Duke we'll be looking at sub 150 scores more often than not.
There is actually a fair amount of coverage of Shield cricket on the CA website. Nearly every match has a multi-camera stream with commentators and there are highlights posted of nearly every day's play. You could tell the things you are asking by watching those and although the GABBA pitch was slightly green it wasn't as bad as the scoreline suggested. If you read through the QLD v SA thread on the cricket domesticity board most of the comments were saying there was just some incredibly poor batting.
 

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Unfortunately there is so little coverage of Shield cricket now that it is difficult to know whether the low scores in the current round( at least at the Gabba and in Sydney) are attributable to the greentop wickets, extravagant swing or whatever. Given the scarcity of rain in either city its hard to see why there would be greentops unless the curator deliberately poured on the water. You'd think cricket Australia would have instructed them to make them reasonably true , given they've already given the bowlers the advantage of the Duke . You'd think given the parlous state of our batting stocks they wouldn't want to totally destroy the confidence of all the aspirants for Ashes selection. And consider that Queensland's first innings was effectively ruined by a rookie spinner on a first day wicket, but that Swepson of Queensland didn't get a bowl in either innings and its even harder to work out from a distance what's going on here. All most have to go on are the bald scores. But if the tracks weren't that bad, and the damage is attributable to a Duke ball swinging around, then gawdhelpus come the Ashes. I'm sure the likes of Neser, Stektee, Copeland, Boland and Tremain are very decent Shield bowlers but lets face none of them have looked up to Test class and they sure as hell don't compare with an attack picked from Anderson, Broad, Woakes Stokes etc. Hopefully given the Tests are in August we might at least bat under blue skies - if we bat under clouds against that attack armed with the Duke we'll be looking at sub 150 scores more often than not.
Who would have thought that a random selection of second string domestic bowlers don't compare to an established, long-term first choice test bowling attack :think:

Please continue to dazzle us with your fresh insights.
 
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