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All good.

But what's his value? I can imagine a future 3rd plus an upgrade from 63 to 59.

Still a lot of picks to change hands, but i can imagine that's most likely at the moment. I don't like it and it's not enough to get Serong in
 
anotherletdown said:
All good.

But what's his value? I can imagine a future 3rd plus an upgrade from 63 to 59.

Still a lot of picks to change hands, but i can imagine that's most likely at the moment. I don't like it and it's not enough to get Serong in
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I’d have thought the two trades should be very similar in terms of what is given / given up. It could be a direct pass through or a three club trade. So really we should be pushing Collingwood to come up with something that satisfies Hawthorn for the loss of Serong.
 
liz said:
I’d have thought the two trades should be very similar in terms of what is given / given up. It could be a direct pass through or a three club trade. So really we should be pushing Collingwood to come up with something that satisfies Hawthorn for the loss of Serong.
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That should be on the draft thread , but it's probably too sensible
 

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If the club made him an offer back in June, I imagine one year on base money was about right. I’m even a little surprised they’d have done that. He looked like delist material. It was only in July and August that he showed signs of being an actual AFL player.
 
We offered him a 2-year deal back in July.

On the FF Trading Day show on Tuesday the journo on there (Josh Barnes I think) said that at some point after this, he changed managers and evidently went deal shopping and Collingwood offered him more.

Seems that after he gave that interview with The West Australian back in late August, he agreed to their deal, but didn't tell us until later, presumably after our exit meetings given it came after that.

I think that's why we're not happy - that he seemingly didn't request the trade at his exit meeting.
 
Adnico26Parker said:
We offered him a 2-year deal back in July.

On the FF Trading Day show on Tuesday the journo on there (Josh Barnes I think) said that at some point after this, he changed managers and evidently went deal shopping and Collingwood offered him more.

Seems that after he gave that interview with The West Australian back in late August, he agreed to their deal, but didn't tell us until later, presumably after our exit meetings given it came after that.

I think that's why we're not happy - that he seemingly didn't request the trade at his exit meeting.
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If a club has a contract in front of a player and, at the time of the exit meeting, he hasn’t signed it, it seems weird that his intentions wouldn’t be explored in said exit meeting.
 
liz said:
If a club has a contract in front of a player and, at the time of the exit meeting, he hasn’t signed it, it seems weird that his intentions wouldn’t be explored in said exit meeting.
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Just because he didn't declare his true intentions at the exit meeting it doesn't mean we didn't enquire about them.
 
So we know know anything about the Buller trade and its timeline.
Leaving all that aside, his desire to leave (from today's POV) makes far more sense than us trying to bring in Curnow without offloading one of our talls. Sure, we don't know who we are willing to trade but if you're Buller in that line-up you're never going to get a game. It seems ridiculous to have four KPP forwards and two ruck-forwards.
 
Big Blood said:
So we know know anything about the Buller trade and its timeline.
Leaving all that aside, his desire to leave (from today's POV) makes far more sense than us trying to bring in Curnow without offloading one of our talls. Sure, we don't know who we are willing to trade but if you're Buller in that line-up you're never going to get a game. It seems ridiculous to have four KPP forwards and two ruck-forwards.
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Actually that's probably about the right number. It's more about their stage of development, quality and cost.
Ideally your seniors should have two and one, all of decent quality and experience, hopefully one gun, with a mix of ages.
Backing them up you hope to have at least one of each who can play a role at senior level, preferably younger, maybe tail end of career. Lastly a recent draftee playing VFL, not considered for seniors, giving you a pipeline.
This is perfect world but we've seen what happens when you gamble - playing Hamling and Francis as key forwards.
 
Suspect those dirty on Buller were the same ones who never rated him whereas those who did, can understand his frustrations at being overlooked for so long. I don't subscribe to the thought that he didn't show he was AFL standard until late 2025. He did plenty of good things in poor teams throughout 24 and 25, enough to warrant another go well before R16 v WB especially when viewed in the context of injuries and poor performances of those who were picked ahead.
 

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Wheresbuddy said:
Suspect those dirty on Buller were the same ones who never rated him whereas those who did, can understand his frustrations at being overlooked for so long. I don't subscribe to the thought that he didn't show he was AFL standard until late 2025. He did plenty of good things in poor teams throughout 24 and 25, enough to warrant another go well before R16 v WB especially when viewed in the context of injuries and poor performances of those who were picked ahead.
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Yeah nah!
He was overlooked by every club in the land in 4 or 5 drafts except WE, Sydney, The Swans, took a punt on him in mid season draft of all things. Gave him a lifeline to the AFL so to speak.
Back surgery & misses a shit load of footy & all that. We still give him a contract despite all this & then nurture him along with our game plan until his opportunity arrives & he is rewarded with 9 games in a row & with a contract.
Now unless I’m missing something & there’s some other shit going on, I am confident that 98 out of 100 other players in the same boat would stick with the club that gave you these opportunities.
Of course quite within his rights to go th Pies but we are quite within our rights to feel like we have sucked on a few lemons.
 
Tedeski said:
Yeah nah!
He was overlooked by every club in the land in 4 or 5 drafts except WE, Sydney, The Swans, took a punt on him in mid season draft of all things. Gave him a lifeline to the AFL so to speak.
Back surgery & misses a shit load of footy & all that. We still give him a contract despite all this & then nurture him along with our game plan until his opportunity arrives & he is rewarded with 9 games in a row & with a contract.
Now unless I’m missing something & there’s some other shit going on, I am confident that 98 out of 100 other players in the same boat would stick with the club that gave you these opportunities.
Of course quite within his rights to go th Pies but we are quite within our rights to feel like we have sucked on a few lemons.
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This club will be ropeable behind closed doors
 
Wheresbuddy said:
Suspect those dirty on Buller were the same ones who never rated him whereas those who did, can understand his frustrations at being overlooked for so long. I don't subscribe to the thought that he didn't show he was AFL standard until late 2025. He did plenty of good things in poor teams throughout 24 and 25, enough to warrant another go well before R16 v WB especially when viewed in the context of injuries and poor performances of those who were picked ahead.
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Sounds harsh but Buller did nothing in 24 given he was on the long term injury list from May ‘24.

Only the latter half of 25 is the sample to work off.
 
Tedeski said:
Yeah nah!
He was overlooked by every club in the land in 4 or 5 drafts except WE, Sydney, The Swans, took a punt on him in mid season draft of all things. Gave him a lifeline to the AFL so to speak.
Back surgery & misses a shit load of footy & all that. We still give him a contract despite all this & then nurture him along with our game plan until his opportunity arrives & he is rewarded with 9 games in a row & with a contract.
Now unless I’m missing something & there’s some other shit going on, I am confident that 98 out of 100 other players in the same boat would stick with the club that gave you these opportunities.
Of course quite within his rights to go th Pies but we are quite within our rights to feel like we have sucked on a few lemons.
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Probably heavily advised by his new manager. His old one may have said he needs to consider all that swans have done for him, but his new one probably said "stuff that, let's get more money".

It may be interesting to see who else this person manages.
 

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dosser said:
Probably heavily advised by his new manager. His old one may have said he needs to consider all that swans have done for him, but his new one probably said "stuff that, let's get more money".

It may be interesting to see who else this person manages.
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Tbf he's not young, he'll be 25 halfway through next season. He could stay with us, likely play VFL then potentially not have another contract or take up the Pies offer & play AFL which gets him more opportunity for a longer contract.

It's not just about this contract but his future contracts too. I'd be more annoyed if he was in his early 20s but this is likely going to be his only shot at getting a 5-7yr afl career.
 
I am constantly amazed by the player should always do the right thing by the club that selects them bs.

Yes you are all fans who love your club and see everything with red and white eyes. So its forgivable

But the guy is a journeyman. Thats who he is. Hes never going to be the top dog at the swans and probably wont even be dog 4 or 5. He is the runt of the litter

Hes going to get a crack at the biggest club in melbourne who have no significant tall forwards

Hes not here to do the right thing by you. Hes here to do the right thing by his career and to maximise his income over a playing career of 3-7 years. Thats it. After that he goes back on the tools or whatever else there is. He gets one shot at it. Thats it.

I was going to say more but nuggetz got in just before me and said it all already
 
melbournehammer said:
I am constantly amazed by the player should always do the right thing by the club that selects them bs.

Yes you are all fans who love your club and see everything with red and white eyes. So its forgivable

But the guy is a journeyman. Thats who he is. Hes never going to be the top dog at the swans and probably wont even be dog 4 or 5. He is the runt of the litter

Hes going to get a crack at the biggest club in melbourne who have no significant tall forwards

Hes not here to do the right thing by you. Hes here to do the right thing by his career and to maximise his income over a playing career of 3-7 years. Thats it. After that he goes back on the tools or whatever else there is. He gets one shot at it. Thats it.
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Yeah not sure why there's such hate for Buller. I can understand the frustration, but his type of departure is the sort of thing we'd exploit if the shoe were on the other foot.

Hell, we're kind of doing the exact same thing with Rosas and Serong. Identify players who have been underutilised and/or who might get squeezed out with impending arrivals, see if they want a new gig elsewhere. That's the MO of every list manager. Buller was close to being delisted earlier in the season, and we were being linked to JUH first and then Curnow. Now he's found a gig that will give him a genuine shot at a professional football career with a big club and some job security. Fair play to him.

If we can turn Buller into Serong than we shake hands, wish him the best, and move on.
 
melbournehammer said:
I am constantly amazed by the player should always do the right thing by the club that selects them bs.

Yes you are all fans who love your club and see everything with red and white eyes. So its forgivable

But the guy is a journeyman. Thats who he is. Hes never going to be the top dog at the swans and probably wont even be dog 4 or 5. He is the runt of the litter

Hes going to get a crack at the biggest club in melbourne who have no significant tall forwards

Hes not here to do the right thing by you. Hes here to do the right thing by his career and to maximise his income over a playing career of 3-7 years. Thats it. After that he goes back on the tools or whatever else there is. He gets one shot at it. Thats it.

I was going to say more but nuggetz got in just before me and said it all already
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Absolutely agree. We were happy to say we should delist him through the season, but all of a sudden we are upset because we will get something back for him now.

I say more power to him.
 
melbournehammer said:
I am constantly amazed by the player should always do the right thing by the club that selects them bs.

Yes you are all fans who love your club and see everything with red and white eyes. So its forgivable

But the guy is a journeyman. Thats who he is. Hes never going to be the top dog at the swans and probably wont even be dog 4 or 5. He is the runt of the litter

Hes going to get a crack at the biggest club in melbourne who have no significant tall forwards

Hes not here to do the right thing by you. Hes here to do the right thing by his career and to maximise his income over a playing career of 3-7 years. Thats it. After that he goes back on the tools or whatever else there is. He gets one shot at it. Thats it.

I was going to say more but nuggetz got in just before me and said it all already
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That paragraph sums it up and if I was his manager, this is exactly what I would've said to him.

Now if he had said "I love the Swans, the fans have nothing to worry about" then from our perspective, we are justified in being salty.
 

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