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Prochard123 said:
Are you seriously comparing the disposal efficiency of inside midfielders with far, far less time and space compared to a half-back? Surely you understand how much harder it is for inside mids to achieve a high DE, given how most of the times they will have to resort to bombing the ball forward.
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Well given his DE% on Footywire is FYE and he's spent more time playing midfield than defence it's likely not too far away from the discussion. I'd suggest that his FYE % has actually increased markedly since he's moved to defence. Jasper Pittard who we apparently desperately need to acquire this off-season goes at 78.3% (a career high) compared to Crisp who goes at 74.3% (also a career high) and Pittard has played solely as a defender.
 
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Prochard123 said:
Are you seriously comparing the disposal efficiency of inside midfielders with far, far less time and space compared to a half-back? Surely you understand how much harder it is for inside mids to achieve a high DE, given how most of the times they will have to resort to bombing the ball forward.
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Bombing the ball to a contest is considered effective so they must be stuffing up when they have the ball in space.

Regardless who im comparing it with, 74% is decent. If i didnt know what it was and just went by what im reading here i would of thought it was around 50%
 
I cannot fathom how people think he is good! 27 of the worst touches I've ever seen on the weekend.
I'd rather him get 0 touches given nearly every time he gets it, he gives out lace out back to the opposition.
 
Stoods said:
Bombing the ball to a contest is considered effective so they must be stuffing up when they have the ball in space.

Regardless who im comparing it with, 74% is decent. If i didnt know what it was and just went by what im reading here i would of thought it was around 50%
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Did you watch the game on the wknd? Forget about the stats... Just use your eyes!
Key moments... Key points of the game... He turns it over.... F**** SPUD!
 

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wicksy said:
Did you watch the game on the wknd? Forget about the stats... Just use your eyes!
Key moments... Key points of the game... He turns it over.... F**** SPUD!
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Happy for you to highlight the player from either team who didn't make at least 1 mistake.
 
Stoods said:
As i said in my previous post. Every player has a game where they make errors, i think he has been good since his move to HB
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EVERY GAME!!!

See this article written a month ago.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/1244ac1fcfe2c2833fe6a4f4d6a5392c

WORST KICK RATING 2017
KICK EXPECTED HIT RATING
Shaun Grigg Rich 164 43.6% 34.1% -9.5%
Patrick Dangerfield Geel 150 37.7% 28.7% -9.0%
Jack Crisp Coll 157 59.4% 53.5% -5.9%
Tom Rockliff BL 183 56.4% 50.8% -5.5%
Ollie Wines PA 164 42.2% 37.2% -5.0%
Josh Kelly GWS 175 47.1% 42.3% -4.8%
Luke McDonald NM 163 43.9% 39.3% -4.6%
Luke Shuey WC 165 52.4% 47.9% -4.6%
Lachie Weller Frem 169 47.7% 43.2% -4.5%
Josh P. Kennedy Syd 150 44.6% 40.7% -3.9%
 
wicksy said:
EVERY GAME!!!

See this article written a month ago.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/1244ac1fcfe2c2833fe6a4f4d6a5392c

WORST KICK RATING 2017
KICK EXPECTED HIT RATING
Shaun Grigg Rich 164 43.6% 34.1% -9.5%
Patrick Dangerfield Geel 150 37.7% 28.7% -9.0%
Jack Crisp Coll 157 59.4% 53.5% -5.9%
Tom Rockliff BL 183 56.4% 50.8% -5.5%
Ollie Wines PA 164 42.2% 37.2% -5.0%
Josh Kelly GWS 175 47.1% 42.3% -4.8%
Luke McDonald NM 163 43.9% 39.3% -4.6%
Luke Shuey WC 165 52.4% 47.9% -4.6%
Lachie Weller Frem 169 47.7% 43.2% -4.5%
Josh P. Kennedy Syd 150 44.6% 40.7% -3.9%
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If you're trying to argue that Crispy is a dud, I'm not sure posting a list which includes his name amongst Danger, Wines, Kelly, Shuey and Kennedy is going to prove that point. If anything, it proves the metric of kick rating is fundamentally flawed.
 
lenny20 said:
If you're trying to argue that Crispy is a dud, I'm not sure posting a list which includes his name amongst Danger, Wines, Kelly, Shuey and Kennedy is going to prove that point. If anything, it proves the metric of kick rating is fundamentally flawed.
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I think also factoring in Crisp's time in the midfield skews any metric on his 2017 kicking. His DE% has improved every year at the Pies from 69.2% in 2015, to 71.2% last year, to 74.3% this year and his kicking is nowhere near as bad as some suggest.
 
lenny20 said:
If you're trying to argue that Crispy is a dud, I'm not sure posting a list which includes his name amongst Danger, Wines, Kelly, Shuey and Kennedy is going to prove that point. If anything, it proves the metric of kick rating is fundamentally flawed.
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It's one factor. Using my eyes is the other.
 
lenny20 said:
If you're trying to argue that Crispy is a dud, I'm not sure posting a list which includes his name amongst Danger, Wines, Kelly, Shuey and Kennedy is going to prove that point. If anything, it proves the metric of kick rating is fundamentally flawed.
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Not really, none of the names are known for their kicking skills.
 

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wicksy said:
EVERY GAME!!!

See this article written a month ago.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...t/news-story/1244ac1fcfe2c2833fe6a4f4d6a5392c

WORST KICK RATING 2017
KICK EXPECTED HIT RATING
Shaun Grigg Rich 164 43.6% 34.1% -9.5%
Patrick Dangerfield Geel 150 37.7% 28.7% -9.0%
Jack Crisp Coll 157 59.4% 53.5% -5.9%
Tom Rockliff BL 183 56.4% 50.8% -5.5%
Ollie Wines PA 164 42.2% 37.2% -5.0%
Josh Kelly GWS 175 47.1% 42.3% -4.8%
Luke McDonald NM 163 43.9% 39.3% -4.6%
Luke Shuey WC 165 52.4% 47.9% -4.6%
Lachie Weller Frem 169 47.7% 43.2% -4.5%
Josh P. Kennedy Syd 150 44.6% 40.7% -3.9%
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Gee he's in good company there.

:D
 
Hasn't gotten the respect he deserves after today. Only 18 touches but was sensational off the back-flank, not only intercepting and repelling opposition attack but also creating chances and finding space and options.

Buckley's greatest positional change. He's found his home.
 

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-12/weighty-decision-for-magpie-as-he-heads-back
COLLINGWOOD runner Jack Crisp plans to play heavier this season to boost his body strength as he becomes a permanent half-back flanker.

Crisp was moved from the midfield to defence mid-season and seemed to thrive on the role, providing much-needed dash and his usual accountability and finishing in the top five at the Pies for possessions, tackles, uncontested possessions and defensive-50 rebounds.

The 24-year-old former Brisbane Lions rookie, who hasn't missed a game in his three seasons with the Magpies, finished equal-sixth in the Pies' best and fairest this year after coming third two years ago.

Adding some extra muscle is part of a plan to help his straight-ahead game, without compromising his running power.

"I'll play maybe a kilo heavier (to) be a little bit stronger … (and) my sprint and surge stuff is going to be more consistent," Crisp told RSN927 radio on Tuesday morning.

"I'm feeling pretty good so far. If I can learn to run for long periods of time with an extra kilo on my body I think I'll be better off."

Crisp, who'd previously excelled as a run-with midfielder, said he could still have stints in the midfield but was spending about 70 per cent of his craft training with the backline.

"(The coaches) asked for a bit of feedback (at the end of the season) and how I went with it and I said I really enjoyed it. It's a new aspect I can add to my game and I'm really looking forward to it," he said.

Crisp also spoke of the frustration of not playing finals in his time at Collingwood.

"That probably takes its toll a fair bit. A few people are starting to get frustrated now. It's been four years out of finals – it's been (long) enough; we need to get back to it," he said.

He said coach Nathan Buckley, who'd been re-signed for a further two years after coming under intense scrutiny, seemed to have modified his approach.

"I guess it's just a bit of the monkey off the back. He's still his confident self and really influential for everyone. I still find him very fascinating, and everything he says is very intriguing. He just seems so much more relaxed.

"The way he's approaching training with all the other coaches, I think everyone else is starting to take another step forward and become more involved themselves, so it's not just Nathan running the show the whole time. So far he's just been wonderful."

Crisp is also dealing with the challenges of becoming a father a month ago.

"It relaxes the mind away from football and then I'm just focusing on getting things right at home," he said.

"It does help out a little bit but still I'm pretty tired, especially in pre-season. When I get home I want a nap but then I've got to change a nappy."
 
Sounds good, would like him too get the third tall role.
 

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