News Jack Dyer Stand may go in $60m Punt Road Oval redevelopment

[PetterdHoisted]

And who’s doing to pay for them to reroute Brunton avenue?
Your suggestions are unrealistic, it’s not being put forward as a possibility because they lack imagination, they just live in the real world

Are you serious? To shift two lanes of brunton avenue over for a distance of 50 metres?
Chicken feed. It's already levelled and paved for human thoroughfare!
Cheaper than demolishing the JDS!!
Of all the objections one can make, shifting two lanes of Brunton Ave over a length of 50 metres is the least significant.

Cost of the footbridge is far greater, but that has to be done in any case, urgently, to save lives.

But even the footbridge would start to pay for itself immediately as there wouldn't need to have police blocking off Brunton every time there is an event at the 'G, plus the productivity gains generally of not having Brunton shut down and Punt Road in a gridlock every time there is an event.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Are you serious? To shift two lanes of brunton avenue over for a distance of 50 metres?
Chicken feed. It's already levelled and paved for human thoroughfare!
Cheaper than demolishing the JDS!!
Of all the objections one can make, shifting two lanes of Brunton Ave over a length of 50 metres is the least significant.

Cost of the footbridge is far greater, but that has to be done in any case, urgently, to save lives.

But even the footbridge would start to pay for itself immediately as there wouldn't need to have police blocking off Brunton every time there is an event at the 'G, plus the productivity gains generally of not having Brunton shut down and Punt Road in a gridlock every time there is an event.

shift it where? the train station isnt going anywhere

 

[Muddiemoose]

shift it where? the train station isnt going anywhere

Old mate seems to think that we (the club) have enough pull to redesign the entire Richmond area

I mean we are a big club and all but Jesus Christ

 

[Heisenberg_]

shift it where? the train station isnt going anywhere

It’s already a nightmare trying to get in the station after a game imagine if we knocked of another 50 metres we’d almost have to all stand in a single file to get in.
If you want to criticise anybody for the simple fact that the stand needs to be bulldozed in order for us to stay at PRO blame the administrations that didn’t perform any upkeep on it for 30-40 years which is why it’s now in a state that it can’t be saved or transferred

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Old mate seems to think that we (the club) have enough pull to redesign the entire Richmond area

I mean we are a big club and all but Jesus Christ

on the road, it costs $100-800k just to build a roundabout. His idea involves reducing lanes used on Punt Road for a period of time to move the road, and that wont be cheap.

Also Richmond WILL be renovated, but after Melbourne Metro is completed, because they need to understand what ongoing utilization of the station will be like post pakenham bypassing it.

someone plays too much SimCity

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Old mate seems to think that we (the club) have enough pull to redesign the entire Richmond area

I mean we are a big club and all but Jesus Christ

Only one man has that type of pull.

 

[Joey longshadow]

Man, this thread is a tip. Pretty simple solution. Watch Peggys presser on the RFC website. She's very clear. Coopers name will be attached to a COMMUNITY learning centre. There's no drama with that. Jack Dyer will be recognised in some way as will other past champions. Personally i hope we see a Maurice Rioli wing. A Jack Dyer function room or stand. A Jack Reiwoldt end. A Skinny Titus end at the other etc etc. I can't believe some of the petty sh*t being squabbled in here. Have a good day peeps. I'm outta here.

Wise words mate.... Which sadly is exactly the reason it just won't fly with some

 

[Joey longshadow]

They should put all returned travellers in remote locations, for 28 days, would create employment in regional areas too.

I have said this from the start... Hire Ayers rock resort ...it has an international airport... Thousands of beds in the various hotels.. And an entirely separate staff accommodation area... It's 480 km to Alice Springs ...just road block the road between the Two... Pay the staff triple wages and they quarantine there too... If they did three months they could probably take the rest of the year off

 

[Bazzar]

Are you serious? To shift two lanes of brunton avenue over for a distance of 50 metres?
Chicken feed. It's already levelled and paved for human thoroughfare!
Cheaper than demolishing the JDS!!
Of all the objections one can make, shifting two lanes of Brunton Ave over a length of 50 metres is the least significant.

Cost of the footbridge is far greater, but that has to be done in any case, urgently, to save lives.

But even the footbridge would start to pay for itself immediately as there wouldn't need to have police blocking off Brunton every time there is an event at the 'G, plus the productivity gains generally of not having Brunton shut down and Punt Road in a gridlock every time there is an event.

Dan has already committed a whopping 2.1 BILLION for a rail link with "no" plan or "end date"

As I said before, money is nothing now days, it's just numbers on a computer screen.

Find, spend now, then let the next gen or caretakers worry about readjusting the bookwork. But just get the job done.

 

[Bazzar]

I have said this from the start... Hire Ayers rock resort ...it has an international airport... Thousands of beds in the various hotels.. And an entirely separate staff accommodation area... It's 480 km to Alice Springs ...just road block the road between the Two... Pay the staff triple wages and they quarantine there too... If they did three months they could probably take the rest of the year off

They're using the Alice as an airplane semi retirement home and it's added to tourism, so your idea is perfect, as it would be quarantine remote, and be a great financial benefit to the region

 

[PetterdHoisted]

shift it where? the train station isnt going anywhere

Just shift Brunton Ave 20 metres to the south for the circa 50m up to its confluence with Punt Rd, so it runs along the side of the station, as it does next to the MCG.

Right now you can see (circled in black in map below) there is a broad concourse between the station and Brunton avenue, created to allow thousands of people to spew out at street level where they then play 'Frogger' across 4 lanes of a major Melbourne arterial in order to get to the MCG. This is a long-standing safety disaster zone that needs to be addressed irregardless of the Pak/Cran line diversion issue you have mentioned previously.

Now you can see two existing structures on that concourse- to the left a portico at the exit and to the right a ticket booth, which is completely redundant in the myki era. Both can go without any issue, as can + should the concourse if a footbridge is built.

Then there is a veritable paddock of space for a stand the size of which is proposed to be built on that side of PRO. Agree?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Just shift Brunton Ave 20 metres to the south for the circa 50m up to its confluence with Punt Rd, so it runs along the side of the station, as it does next to the MCG.

Right now you can see (circled in black in map below) there is a broad concourse between the station and Brunton avenue, created to allow thousands of people to spew out at street level where they then play 'Frogger' across 4 lanes of a major Melbourne arterial in order to get to the MCG. This is a long-standing safety disaster zone that needs to be addressed irregardless of the Pak/Cran line diversion issue you have mentioned previously.

Now you can see two existing structures on that concourse- to the left a portico at the exit and to the right a ticket booth, which is completely redundant in the myki era. Both can go without any issue, as can + should the concourse if a footbridge is built.

Then there is a veritable paddock of space for a stand the size of which is proposed to be built on that side of PRO. Agree?

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no

1) you still have to shut down punt road lanes for some time to rework this

2) you are still demolishing structures involved with richmond station. that means getting the govt and Metro on board to hand that land over for road use, and Metro finding a way to get people in and out without shutting down Brunton Ave for even longer periods of time

3) the Govt and Metro will not sign on to any plan re: Richmond Station until Metro Tunnel is complete, they know the volume implications from the route changes, and they decide what the new richmond station set up will be. thats years away.

this will cost the govt millions, for stuff they need to turf when the station redevelopment occurs. whats the cost benefit for them to agree to this? you're spending millions of govt dollars for what??

 

[VB_longneck]

gov re did thomo station and they cant do richmond

bit of politic at play i reckon

 

[HTT]

Just shift Brunton Ave 20 metres to the south for the circa 50m up to its confluence with Punt Rd, so it runs along the side of the station, as it does next to the MCG.

Right now you can see (circled in black in map below) there is a broad concourse between the station and Brunton avenue, created to allow thousands of people to spew out at street level where they then play 'Frogger' across 4 lanes of a major Melbourne arterial in order to get to the MCG. This is a long-standing safety disaster zone that needs to be addressed irregardless of the Pak/Cran line diversion issue you have mentioned previously.

Now you can see two existing structures on that concourse- to the left a portico at the exit and to the right a ticket booth, which is completely redundant in the myki era. Both can go without any issue, as can + should the concourse if a footbridge is built.

Then there is a veritable paddock of space for a stand the size of which is proposed to be built on that side of PRO. Agree?

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I agree the entire area needs to be overhauled and in that process clearly enough space could be made to accommodate our current needs without removal of the JDS. But it just won't happen in the timeframe we need it to happen.
Richmond station would need to be rebuilt. If the existing station can't be used for any part of that process then every single train from the eastern suburbs will need an alternative. Once the metro tunnel is done at the least the Pakenham/Cranbourne/Frankston/Sandringham lines could run through that - albeit at a slower rate given its only one track each direction. Even then we are waiting until 2025 for that. It would also cause massive delays on Punt Road for a long time. And the benefit would be to improve match day experience at sporting events - fantastic but attendances at sports events in Melbourne are already crazy. How much benefit is there really for the economy? Especially in the current climate they're going to save the big money for projects and initiatives that will significantly improve the economy.

Plus a huge part of the redevelopment is increasing the ground to MCG dimensions, it is currently the same as Docklands IIRC. That means we have to find an extra 10 or so metres width, pushing space even more.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

no

1) you still have to shut down punt road lanes for some time to rework this

2) you are still demolishing structures involved with richmond station. that means getting the govt and Metro on board to hand that land over for road use, and Metro finding a way to get people in and out without shutting down Brunton Ave for even longer periods of time

3) the Govt and Metro will not sign on to any plan re: Richmond Station until Metro Tunnel is complete, they know the volume implications from the route changes, and they decide what the new richmond station set up will be. thats years away.

this will cost the govt millions, for stuff they need to turf when the station redevelopment occurs. whats the cost benefit for them to agree to this? you're spending millions of govt dollars for what??

(1) Right now they shut down Brunton Ave + grid lock Punt Road every time there is an event at the 'G!! Absolutely everybody would dearly love to have a shut down for works so that never again does it need to be closed on a weekly basis.

For the rest, of course the gov needs to be involved- they already are. This plan satisfies three massive issues, *the least* of which is preserving melbourne heritage.

1 - Major- Nobody wants pedestrians at street level on the south side of Brunton. If they did, they would have built a pedestrian crossing 30 years ago. Disaster that needs to be changed *yesterday*. A car plowing through a crowd...the cost of that to the state gov, MCC etc....unimaginable.

2 - Major- The aforementioned grid-locking of Brunton and Punt every time a big game is on- costs the Vic economy

3 - Minor- PRO can be redeveloped in a way that makes much more sense and preserves heritage.

So many benefits, for so many vested interests. Risk management would have the Gov, MCC onside for a footbridge imo, irregardless of future changes to Richmond station (which you said yourself may not happen anyway).

Anyway, just hope someone at the club like Gale sees ideas like this. He could get 0-75-3 going despite the chorus of naysayers, this is a doddle in comparison

 

[Ned_Flanders]

(1) Right now they shut down Brunton Ave + grid lock Punt Road every time there is an event at the 'G!! Absolutely everybody would dearly love to have a shut down for works so that never again does it need to be closed on a weekly basis.

For the rest, of course the gov needs to be involved- they already are. This plan satisfies three massive issues, *the least* of which is preserving melbourne heritage.

1 - Major- Nobody wants pedestrians at street level on the south side of Brunton. If they did, they would have built a pedestrian crossing 30 years ago. Disaster that needs to be changed *yesterday*. A car plowing through a crowd...the cost of that to the state gov, MCC etc....unimaginable.

2 - Major- The aforementioned grid-locking of Brunton and Punt every time a big game is on- costs the Vic economy

3 - Minor- PRO can be redeveloped in a way that makes much more sense and preserves heritage.

So many benefits, for so many vested interests. Risk management would have the Gov, MCC onside for a footbridge imo, irregardless of future changes to Richmond station (which you said yourself may not happen anyway).

Anyway, just hope someone at the club like Gale sees ideas like this. He could get 0-75-3 going despite the chorus of naysayers, this is a doddle in comparison

You need to stop thinking match day. Your little project will cost many millions of dollars, distrupt peak hour traffic for weeks on punt road, for what?

To help an AFL club have a bigger practice oval.

Again, why would the govt agree to this? There is no public good it serves

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

gov re did thomo station and they cant do richmond

bit of politic at play i reckon

Great upgrade.
Old run down.Not even a facelift can turn it into a thing of beauty like its residence.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

You need to stop thinking match day. Your little project will cost many millions of dollars, distrupt peak hour traffic for weeks on punt road, for what?

To help an AFL club have a bigger practice oval.

Again, why would the govt agree to this? There is no public good it serves

Exactly.No way on earth a Govt can justify using public money which benefit so few.

 

[cairo tiger]

Richmond station is an embarrassment to the greatest sports city in the world. I hate going there sqezzing my arse cheeks while I compress my farts. It’s congestion unwarranted. Money needs to spent on the whole project. Do it once and do it properly

 

[Muddiemoose]

gov re did thomo station and they cant do richmond

bit of politic at play i reckon

Can’t believe the knocked it down

they should of moved it and re built it brick by brick

 

[Muddiemoose]

Richmond station is an embarrassment to the greatest sports city in the world. I hate going there sqezzing my arse cheeks while I compress my farts. It’s congestion unwarranted. Money needs to spent on the whole project. Do it once and do it properly

Move to the Epping/hurstbridge line with me and groupie and becoming a jollimont edge lord like us and you’ll never have that problem again

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Exactly.No way on earth a Govt can justify using public money which benefit so few.

Gumment Sport$ rort$ say hold my beer...

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Gumment Sport$ rort$ say hold my beer...

Chinese investment perhaps.

 

[Bazzar]

no

1) you still have to shut down punt road lanes for some time to rework this

After hotel quarantine resumes next week, they can do it when we go into our next 3 month lockdown

 

[Ned_Flanders]

After hotel quarantine resumes next week, they can do it when we go into our next 3 month lockdown

Take this to the "it's just the flu" thread