Player Watch Jack Lukosius

[PeacefulWarrior]

You could play all 4 - Lukosius, Georgiades, Marshall and Whitlock- in good weather. But on a slippery, wet day/night, no.

A softer forward line has never been seen

Even MG, amazing player but he relies on acceleration, not 1:1 strength

 

[Duck Farmer]

It’s emblematic of the sloppiness which has defined the way we’ve approached the season.

Sloppy preparation, sloppy rehab, sloppy selections, sloppy game style, sloppy skill execution.

The big mistake was putting Hartlett in charge of the sloppy seconds.

 

[DSL64]

Agreed, our skills in general are bog average. I watched Port closely last night and some of our H/B that missed the target was terrible and it wasn't only the young guys, Wines although he played a reasonable game as did Boak were two of the main offenders.

As for DBJ I am confused, some games he's saving goals and kicking goals but last night H/B errors and in and out of the game.

For Carr to succeed I am convinced we need a pure skills coach for kicking hand balling and marking and a good tackling coach, to many opposition players break our tackles way to easy.

Boak had 22 possies at 90% DE.
Just how close did you actually watch the game?

 

[Us against the rest]

Boak had 22 possies at 90% DE.
Just how close did you actually watch the game?

This is the wrong thread to discuss this but I will reply to you. The last thing I have to say on the subject.

How closely did you read my previous post, do you actually read all the posts or just selective ones.

Read my post above, even a Boak fan knows that he played a much better game after announcing his retirement. A good player and example of fitness for his peers but he's no Selwood or Bartel.

Westhoff - Gray & Schulz all gave there all for the club and loyal to Port Adelaide so why the difference, Schulz used to play with terrible injuries for the team, Westhoff was used in any position on the ground with no complaints and how many times did Robbie save the coaches job.

These players realised that it was a privilege to play for Port and AFL, not the other way around.

I appreciate what Boak has done for the club but he didn't do it for free, he was handsomely paid.

I congratulate him on a long loyal career but I wouldn't class him as special. He has unfortunately become part of the softness and mediocrity of the Hinkley era.

I look forward to some fresh air so the club can get back to winning and make it about the club and supporters, not individuals.

 

[DSL64]

This is the wrong thread to discuss this but I will reply to you. The last thing I have to say on the subject.

How closely did you read my previous post, do you actually read all the posts or just selective ones.

Read my post above, even a Boak fan knows that he played a much better game after announcing his retirement. A good player and example of fitness for his peers but he's no Selwood or Bartel.

Westhoff - Gray & Schulz all gave there all for the club and loyal to Port Adelaide so why the difference, Schulz used to play with terrible injuries for the team, Westhoff was used in any position on the ground with no complaints and how many times did Robbie save the coaches job.

These players realised that it was a privilege to play for Port and AFL, not the other way around.

I appreciate what Boak has done for the club but he didn't do it for free, he was handsomely paid.

I congratulate him on a long loyal career but I wouldn't class him as special. He has unfortunately become part of the softness a mediocrity of the Hinkley era.

I look forward to some fresh air so the club can get back to winning and make it about the club and supporters, not individuals.

Firstly, you posted your comment IN THIS THREAD, so how is this the wrong thread to reply to?
Secondly, I did actually read your post. You posted "Wines although he played a reasonable game as did Boak were two of the main offenders." What part of this did I mis-read?
And lastly, when has Boak or the club make it about him?
Unfortunately many on this board think like you and have tarred Boak with the Hinlkey feather and are blind to anything else. To suggest he is just a 'good' player is prove of that.

Hopefully in the fullness of time and Hinkley is a distant memory, you may re-assess.

Then again, maybe you won't.

 

[Us against the rest]

Firstly, you posted your comment IN THIS THREAD, so how is this the wrong thread to reply to?
Secondly, I did actually read your post. You posted "Wines although he played a reasonable game as did Boak were two of the main offenders." What part of this did I mis-read?
And lastly, when has Boak or the club make it about him?
Unfortunately many on this board think like you and have tarred Boak with the Hinlkey feather and are blind to anything else. To suggest he is just a 'good' player is prove of that.

Hopefully in the fullness of time and Hinkley is a distant memory, you may re-assess.

Then again, maybe you won't.

Okay.

 

[Powerage]

Read my post above, even a Boak fan knows that he played a much better game after announcing his retirement. A good player and example of fitness for his peers but he's no Selwood or Bartel.

If only he learned to duck more...

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Lukosius played 116 out of a possible 134 games in 6 seasons for Gold Coast and 4 of them he played 21 or 22 games.

One year at Port, plays 7 games but one of them was about 3 minutes before he fractured his knee cap and misses 13 games. That's just bad luck. Gets a calf strain in the showdown, misses Geelong game, then plays next game against Freo and does calf again in 3rd quarter - out for the year.

Tim Parham better get that right over the off/preseason.

 

[JHF1870]

Hoping for a breakout season under a new game plan

 

[RossFC]

 

[PatientMental]

any player can get injured at anytime look at JHF and could happen with Butters

jhf delievered more for the team in about a quarter with a broken foot than lukosius did all year

the port version luko makes marshall look like the incredible hulk

 

[sr36]

jhf delievered more for the team in about a quarter with a broken foot than lukosius did all year

the port version luko makes marshall look like the incredible hulk

He's got some fantastic tools. I think he could be a gun as a Sicily style defender. Not physical enough for kpf.

 

[PatientMental]

He's got some fantastic tools. I think he could be a gun as a Sicily style defender. Not physical enough for kpf.

good thing hes done with being a kpd

 

[sr36]

good thing hes done with being a kpd

Yeah, I've heard he doesn't like it. But I still think it's his future.

 

[PatientMental]

Yeah, I've heard he doesn't like it. But I still think it's his future.

if his future is in defence - and we have no intentions of ever playing him there - his future cant be here

 

[sr36]

if his future is in defence - and we have no intentions of ever playing him there - his future cant be here

If you don't perform well enough in the intended role they recruited you for, they try you in a different role.

If he succeeds as a forward, it's happy days - if not he'll be tried in other roles.

 

[240volt]

jhf delievered more for the team in about a quarter with a broken foot than lukosius did all year

the port version luko makes marshall look like the incredible hulk

And to think we gave the Meter Maids a first round pick for the pleasure.
Hardwick must have thought it was Christmas.

 

[PatientMental]

If you don't perform well enough in the intended role they recruited you for, they try you in a different role.

If he succeeds as a forward, it's happy days - if not he'll be tried in other roles.

I think he'd probably retire before being forced to do that

 

[sr36]

I think he'd probably retire before being forced to do that

Jeremy Howe was a bit the same and viewing himself as a forward was a big part of the reason why he moved from Melbourne, where they'd shifted him into defence.

But Jack will get a chance as a forward. Maybe he'll take it.

 

[John Kale]

jhf delievered more for the team in about a quarter with a broken foot than lukosius did all year

the port version luko makes marshall look like the incredible hulk

Rubbish.

The disrespect on this board from some people towards Lukosius is ridiculous.

All things considered (I.e. being his first year with the club, his injury record preventing him from getting a clear run at it to build form, and playing as a KPF in the dumpster fire that was 2025 Port) Luko showed more signs of being a good to great forward for us in future, rather than being a dud bust.

Going game by game:

- Round 2 v Collingwood: a poor game, but a key forward could be forgiven for playing poorly in a 90 point belting. Still kicked a goal despite this, and it being his first game in a new team.

- Round 3 v Richmond: injured within the first 30 seconds of the game.

- Round 18 v Brisbane: as tough an assignment as you can get in a return from a significant amount of time off due to iniury (away against the premiers). Looked great and kicked 3.

- Round 19 v West Coast: an admittedly anonymous / poor game from him and the only one I think is indefensible.

- Round 20 v Hawthorn: A good bounce back game. Kicked 2.1 in a game that was not built for KPFs at all (probably the most severe wind I’ve ever seen in a game) and was by far our most dangerous forward on the day.

- Round 21 v Adelaide: A poor game in which he went down injured. Wasn’t alone out there and was again playing in monsoon conditions that aren’t typically KPF friendly.

- Round 22 v Freo: Was having a good game and kicked 2 goals before going down injured in the third quarter.

So of the 7 games he played this season, even if you want to be a harsh critic, he had 3 good games, 3 poor ones, and one where he was injured too early to tell.

Considering all of the factors at play for him (as listed above: first season for us, no time to build form / gel with the team due to injury, playing KPF in our injury riddled shit side this year, etc) I think that’s a perfectly fine return.

Now, he may not kick on next season - but to suggest he’s a dud / non entity based on the sample size at Port so far this season, is just silly.

He’ll be a good player for us. People need to chill.

 

[PatientMental]

Rubbish.

The disrespect on this board from some people towards Lukosius is ridiculous.

All things considered (I.e. being his first year with the club, his injury record preventing him from getting a clear run at it to build form, and playing as a KPF in the dumpster fire that was 2025 Port) Luko showed more signs of being a good to great forward for us in future, rather than being a dud bust.

Going game by game:

- Round 2 v Collingwood: a poor game, but a key forward could be forgiven for playing poorly in a 90 point belting. Still kicked a goal despite this, and it being his first game in a new team.

- Round 3 v Richmond: injured within the first 30 seconds of the game.

- Round 18 v Brisbane: as tough an assignment as you can get in a return from a significant amount of time off due to iniury (away against the premiers). Looked great and kicked 3.

- Round 19 v West Coast: an admittedly anonymous / poor game from him and the only one I think is indefensible.

- Round 20 v Hawthorn: A good bounce back game. Kicked 2.1 in a game that was not built for KPFs at all (probably the most severe wind I’ve ever seen in a game) and was by far our most dangerous forward on the day.

- Round 21 v Adelaide: A poor game in which he went down injured. Wasn’t alone out there and was again playing in monsoon conditions that aren’t typically KPF friendly.

- Round 22 v Freo: Was having a good game and kicked 2 goals before going down injured in the third quarter.

So of the 7 games he played this season, even if you want to be a harsh critic, he had 3 good games, 3 poor ones, and one where he was injured too early to tell.

Considering all of the factors at play for him (as listed above: first season for us, no time to build form / gel with the team due to injury, playing KPF in our injury riddled shit side this year, etc) I think that’s a perfectly fine return.

Now, he may not kick on next season - but to suggest he’s a dud / non entity based on the sample size at Port so far this season, is just silly.

He’ll be a good player for us. People need to chill.

He's on a million dollars a year and did his calf twice like he's a 35 year old man

Until he proves he can get his body right and dominate we've overpaid and continue to... by a lot

I wouldn't have an issue if he was on 6-750 but he's likely nearing double that and also cost us a top 10 pick.


He should be easily top 5 key forwards with the money he's on

 

[longdonkey]

This forum always has a whipping boy and now Burton is gone Luko is odds on to be the replacement,

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

This forum always has a whipping boy and now Burton is gone Luko is odds on to be the replacement,

Lukoisus and Rozee are whipping boys here. BFF's and all.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

He's on a million dollars a year and did his calf twice like he's a 35 year old man

Until he proves he can get his body right and dominate we've overpaid and continue to... by a lot

I wouldn't have an issue if he was on 6-750 but he's likely nearing double that and also cost us a top 10 pick.


He should be easily top 5 key forwards with the money he's on

Most the team were unfit and cooked with injuries last season, I am wondering why Stuart Graham is still at the club but at least he was embarrassingly demoted as his assistant is now his new boss and Director of Performance.

 

[John Kale]

He's on a million dollars a year and did his calf twice like he's a 35 year old man

Until he proves he can get his body right and dominate we've overpaid and continue to... by a lot

I wouldn't have an issue if he was on 6-750 but he's likely nearing double that and also cost us a top 10 pick.


He should be easily top 5 key forwards with the money he's on

As has been highlighted earlier in the thread, the trade of a F1 for Luko was done on the reasonable assumption that we’d be finishing around the top end of the ladder and it would’ve been a pick that landed 15+ in a draft we clearly didn’t rate.

It was a reasonable gamble to get a talented KPF into the club - which aren’t cheap.

An unfortunate year with injury for the club has meant the price blew out to ultimately pick 11 in a draft we did not rate.

Frankly, that’s at the lower end of the going rate for a good, talented KPF.

Dixon (at the same age and with a fairly similar output to date at the suns) cost us Pick 10 and a future second rounder as an example - and while Dixon has a mixed reputation around here, I think most would agree that the trade was good value for Port.

Either way, it shows that the benchmark value for a good KPF is higher than what we actually paid for Luko - and based on what I’ve seen to date, he has the talent and ability to deliver on that.

So I think the crying over the price paid for Luko is misplaced, and if he comes on like he showed in the majority of uninjured games he played this season, he should actually be a steal.

As for the money he’s on, respectfully who cares? You need to pay to get KPFs in the door, and he hasn’t forced anyone out the door due to a salary cap squeeze (and it doesn’t seem like the contract will in future, as we’ve been widely reported to have plenty of cap to sign-up Butters and still go after NWM) - so why is this something worth whinging about?

It seems like you just dislike Luko / he’s your club whipping boy, and you’re just looking for a reason to complain about him.

Again, give him a clear run at it with injury next season while playing in a functional forwardline thanks to the new Carr game plan, and Luko will thrive.