Confirmed Jack Martin [Selected by Carlton in the PSD]

Jeremias

Formerly 'jernoine'
Sep 26, 2004
36,257
32,314
AFL Club
Carlton
Other Teams
MUFC, LAL, PSG
I knew he’d go. Was just giving youse all a rev up.

$1 million a year for a C-grade forward flanker to go with drafting a kid with a wrecked knee at pick 17. Blues fans are kings of putting positive spin on ordinary decision making.
Pathetic response to making yourself look like a moron for well over a month now.

Be gone, no need for you in here any more.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Shadow89

Premiership Player
Feb 20, 2018
4,574
8,948
AFL Club
Geelong
Well you are just assuming that Sharp, whom the Suns traded up for, will be a bust (and Cats were very keen on apparently)

Also that pick 11 will likely be bumped back at least 5 or 6 next spots next season with all the Academy picks/bids.

If Sharp can be a regular best 22 player next year for Gold Coast, I would say it was a worthwhile trade from their point of view, certainly it's much better than wasting a space on their list with another list clogger from another club like Corey Ellis etc
I'm not assuming he'll be a bust at all, lol. Sharp was one of 10 or so players I really wanted. The point is though, is that he was consistently rated as a pick in the 20's, and because the AFL gave GC a Pick 11 'freebie' for next year, they could make free-wheeling decisions like trading 11 for 27, like they did. We would have picked up Sharp I assume, had GC not offered us such an enticing deal.

It's only the fact that there's no consequence for their actions, that means they can essentially trade whatever the hell they want and do whatever they want at the moment, lol. No other club is making trades like they did last year with WC, trading future mid 1sts for future mid seconds, giving up Pick 2 for Weller, and knocking back picks for players (Jack Martin), like GC have. I guarantee, if the AFL hadn't given them such a free license, they wouldn't have made half of these decisions.
 

footyfan78

Brownlow Medallist
Aug 27, 2014
21,280
22,585
spacetime
AFL Club
Carlton
Other Teams
there are no other teams worthy
So in the end Gold Coast just looks like a bunch of clowns.

Thanks for the free player.
and the AFL helped them look like clowns.
Gil is a ******* idiot and sooner he goes the sooner footy and even Gold Coast can start to learn to be run like a real football club and not feel they can make stupid decisions and not worry as AFL will give them something to make up for mistakes sometime later. What a f’ed up culture Gil helped create happen.
 
Last edited:

Foucault1989

Club Legend
Oct 16, 2016
2,621
5,386
AFL Club
Carlton
The first rounder would be us - Future 2020 Pick 11 and 2019 Pick 64 for 2019 Pick 27, haha

They can literally only do that and make all these absurd decisions, because the AFL just keeps picking them up, wiping their bum, and changing their nappies, everytime they shit themselves and make said ridiculous decision. Genuinely turning into a joke now.
That is such a God awful trade. Well done geelong. Fleeced them
 

footyfan78

Brownlow Medallist
Aug 27, 2014
21,280
22,585
spacetime
AFL Club
Carlton
Other Teams
there are no other teams worthy
I'm not assuming he'll be a bust at all, lol. Sharp was one of 10 or so players I really wanted. The point is though, is that he was consistently rated as a pick in the 20's, and because the AFL gave GC a Pick 11 'freebie' for next year, they could make free-wheeling decisions like trading 11 for 27, like they did. We would have picked up Sharp I assume, had GC not offered us such an enticing deal.

It's only the fact that there's no consequence for their actions, that means they can essentially trade whatever the hell they want and do whatever they want at the moment, lol. No other club is making trades like they did last year with WC, trading future mid 1sts for future mid seconds, giving up Pick 2 for Weller, and knocking back picks for players (Jack Martin), like GC have. I guarantee, if the AFL hadn't given them such a free license, they wouldn't have made half of these decisions.
Exactly. Gil is to blame for encouraging such stupidity other clubs cannot afford to be as reckless with picks and trade decisions.
Hopefully this is the last of this bullshit and AFL need a new CEO so this stupid culture ends here and now.
 

Blue__Balls

Norm Smith Medallist
Aug 22, 2014
8,234
24,228
AFL Club
Carlton
That is such a God awful trade. Well done geelong. Fleeced them
AFL essentially gifted GC Anderson, Sharp and half of Flanders as compensation, and on top of that they get an expanded rookie list and the right to select their academy players (from a further expanded zone) without having to use any picks.

If GC can't get out of the bottom 6 in the next 2 years, they're done.
 

Shadow89

Premiership Player
Feb 20, 2018
4,574
8,948
AFL Club
Geelong
That is such a God awful trade. Well done geelong. Fleeced them
The Pick 64 was just the icing on the lopsided cake. On traded to Essendon along with GC future 3rd we got in the Jenkins trade, and our future 4th, for Cam Taheny at Pick 50 (who was actually rated ahead/around the same mark as Sharp at Pick 24 - Pick 28).

That's how a smart list manager operates. Craig Cameron has just been given the keys to a Porsche, Mazzerati, Rolls Royce, Lamborghini and a Ferarri, and he's just driving them into walls while drunk and snorting coke, and busting out the next fancy model.

'I'll take Flanders, and Sharp and Rowell and Anderson... oh wait... I have no picks left next year and all our players are still young and I have no idea how to get any decent players without paying ridiculous amounts of money, offering up stupid draft picks, or having the AFL clean up my mess after I did a boom boom...uh oh...'

The whole thing is a f*cking joke, lol.
 
Last edited:

(Log in to remove this ad.)

F_therest

Brownlow Medallist
Oct 3, 2013
13,765
26,413
AFL Club
Carlton
I knew he’d go. Was just giving youse all a rev up.

$1 million a year for a C-grade forward flanker to go with drafting a kid with a wrecked knee at pick 17. Blues fans are kings of putting positive spin on ordinary decision making.
OMG there's still people out there who think we are paying Martin $1 million a year...

Is it so hard to educate yourself before criticising Carlton based on something that isn't even true? Obviously it is.
 

Faz 2000

Norm Smith Medallist
May 10, 2007
8,330
14,815
Under the table
AFL Club
Carlton
Other Teams
Pittsburgh Penguins
Jack Martin got 3 brownlow votes in round 2 and 2 brownlow votes in round 3. I think that means he had 2 OK games in a row.
... extrapolating that out 3+2 = 5 votes over Rounds 2 and 3, so two games, which means 2.5 votes per game..... over a full season.... carry the 1... I think he'll win 2020 Brownlow for the Blues with 55 votes.

In fact, anything less and he's a failure.
 

KnaveyBlue

Premiership Player
Aug 27, 2003
4,981
5,468
57 Mt. Pleasant Street
AFL Club
Carlton
Other Teams
Chicago Bears
I knew he’d go. Was just giving youse all a rev up.

$1 million a year for a C-grade forward flanker to go with drafting a kid with a wrecked knee at pick 17. Blues fans are kings of putting positive spin on ordinary decision making.
Limp effort, but props for coming back to face the music. I guess.
 

HairyO

Brownlow Medallist
Jul 13, 2015
19,586
20,627
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Where do you even start on a comment like this. Whatever you were going for you’ve done it poorly.
What I said is exactly what happened.

Roughead was unable to play and the club had no idea if he would return. They werent able to trade in a key forward/ruck and had no time to draft and build up a kid.

The only 2 choices to fill the immediate gap were Vickery or Vardy via free agency. And the only way to stop Richmond matching was making it $500k x 2 years to get Richmond better compo than we had to trade.

In the end we didnt need Vickery and he was not going to get back in to the team so was allowed to retire.

None of the above is new or shocking.

But Vickery was mentioned. Thus me wondering if that is what Martin brings to Carlton.
 

manang magoos

Team Captain
Feb 19, 2018
373
502
AFL Club
Carlton
I like that you dispute the money thing but not that he’s a C-grader.

Elmer_Judd said:
I am ready to admit i was wrong and apologize to you personally if the Suns or Dees take Martin in the PSD.

I also might have been a bit OTT in some of my responses to you, and for that i do apologize, for that.

I get your point about the Suns making a stand on players being poached, but taking my Carlton hat off, I think it will create an unhealthy environment next year in the playing group.

Elmer I know you are a passionate fan, just like me. No offence taken all in good fun. If I am wrong I will make good on my pledge to disappear and will wish Jack Martin a long and distinguished career in the navy blue. If not ... please indulge me one or two gloating posts!
 

RobR

Premiership Player
Sep 16, 2014
3,508
8,655
AFL Club
Carlton
What I said is exactly what happened.

Roughead was unable to play and the club had no idea if he would return. They werent able to trade in a key forward/ruck and had no time to draft and build up a kid.

The only 2 choices to fill the immediate gap were Vickery or Vardy via free agency. And the only way to stop Richmond matching was making it $500k x 2 years to get Richmond better compo than we had to trade.

In the end we didnt need Vickery and he was not going to get back in to the team so was allowed to retire.

None of the above is new or shocking.

But Vickery was mentioned. Thus me wondering if that is what Martin brings to Carlton.
Brings what to Carlton?
 

Wines to cripps

Senior List
Suspended
Oct 15, 2019
154
99
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
hahaha... Gold Goast, the team that just keeps on giving... hahaha

a big big big thank you to GC for insisting on giving us Martin for absolutely nothing when we were foolish enough to want to pay a fair price for him.

maybe we can repay you in a few years time by giving you unders for Rowell, would that make you happy also? Lol
You really gotta lay off the cool aid

What could go wrong 1 million bucks. 5 year contract for a guy living away from family in a rebuilding team, injury riddled. what could go wrong...

Good luck blue boys
 

Brutalitops

Premiership Player
Feb 6, 2016
3,140
6,265
AFL Club
Carlton
Posted this in the Demons thread but worth re-posting here. It’s time our club took a stand in this type of situation. A lot to play out here regarding Jack Martin.

This is a huge test for our club. An opportunity to bring in a talented and highly skilled outside mid/small forward has just fallen fortuitously in our lap. Exactly the type of player we are crying out for, for such a long time.

Jack Martin is currently a good footballer who has shown he has the capacity to be very good and quite possibly become elite at AFL level. He has clearly not enjoyed living and plying his trade on the barren and soulless confines of Metricon, but you can imagine his delight at being able to strap on the guernsey of a traditional Victorian club and weave his magic on the MCG in front of true footy fans with genuine passion. This is a young man who will relish such an opportunity and rise to new levels of output and performance.

This is a cut throat competition, won and lost just as much by clubs on the margins of decisions they make off field, as those that are made off it. Carlton will no doubt try to bully us and will probably scheme with Martin’s manager to try and get us to baulk at calling Jack’s name out in the PSD, but we must not be cowed by these tactics and do everything we can to convince the player that his future lies at the Melbourne Football Club. Bring in the heavy hitters by all means - Goodwin, Richo, May, Kolo and of course Nev. Hell, get other past indigenous Demon stars like Flash Davey and Wizard Farmer involved if it might help in any small way. Just do whatever it takes within the bounds of reason to get this bloke over the line, or at least open to a change in the landscape.

Don’t be put off by media reports, the money is there if we were prepared to pay $2million to an injury prone Jamie Elliot over four years. 600k or even 700k per season might seem a high bounty to pay for Martin but consider the opportunity cost at not having to cough up a pick for him in the National Draft, not to mention boost to club morale and the extra memberships such a bold move would generate. Sometimes there are intangibles when calculating the worth of a player that go beyond pure statistical analysis.

God knows we have overpaid players before who have not produced in the red and blue. Players with far less ability, skill and blue sky potential than Jack Martin.

The bottom line is we need this player and he is going to become available to us at no cost in trade via the PSD. Regardless of the noises made by Carlton or his manager, we must call his name out at pick 2 if Gold Coast don’t re-draft him at pick 1, then back ourselves to welcome him with open arms and oversee his transformation into committed, all-in star of the Red and Blue.

Huge test for our Demons this one. So often in the past we have wilted at these moments. Unwilling to put cojones on the line and demonstrate the hard edge that the more successful clubs have. Now, here we are again, about to step up to the plate with a gilt-edged opportunity to to recruit a talented footballer ideally suited to our needs.

What are we going to do? What are Bartlett, Pert, Mahoney, Goodwin and Co truly made of? Same old same old ... or something new ... something better. We’re about to find out.


Go Dees!
I knew he’d go. Was just giving youse all a rev up.

$1 million a year for a C-grade forward flanker to go with drafting a kid with a wrecked knee at pick 17. Blues fans are kings of putting positive spin on ordinary decision making.
What changed?
 
Top Bottom