Delisted Jack Martin [Selected by Carlton in the PSD]

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footyfan1978

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Think we can all agree footy is the big winner in all of this.

Carlton get an A Grade talent for free, and the PSD is now a legit bargaining chip for clubs..


Everyone looks better in Navy Blue !!!

Not everyone is a winner.
Martin got f’ed around left in limbo when a sensible trade was knocked back by Suns over a month ago which did not allow him to move to his new club to be with a month earlier. It was stupid move by Gold Coast and the context of luxury gifts from AFL made up on spot was probably why Gold Coast got silly about it and Martin was put through being in limbo for over a month for no good reason.
 

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I knew he’d go. Was just giving youse all a rev up.

$1 million a year for a C-grade forward flanker to go with drafting a kid with a wrecked knee at pick 17. Blues fans are kings of putting positive spin on ordinary decision making.
Pathetic response to making yourself look like a moron for well over a month now.

Be gone, no need for you in here any more.
 

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Well you are just assuming that Sharp, whom the Suns traded up for, will be a bust (and Cats were very keen on apparently)

Also that pick 11 will likely be bumped back at least 5 or 6 next spots next season with all the Academy picks/bids.

If Sharp can be a regular best 22 player next year for Gold Coast, I would say it was a worthwhile trade from their point of view, certainly it's much better than wasting a space on their list with another list clogger from another club like Corey Ellis etc
I'm not assuming he'll be a bust at all, lol. Sharp was one of 10 or so players I really wanted. The point is though, is that he was consistently rated as a pick in the 20's, and because the AFL gave GC a Pick 11 'freebie' for next year, they could make free-wheeling decisions like trading 11 for 27, like they did. We would have picked up Sharp I assume, had GC not offered us such an enticing deal.

It's only the fact that there's no consequence for their actions, that means they can essentially trade whatever the hell they want and do whatever they want at the moment, lol. No other club is making trades like they did last year with WC, trading future mid 1sts for future mid seconds, giving up Pick 2 for Weller, and knocking back picks for players (Jack Martin), like GC have. I guarantee, if the AFL hadn't given them such a free license, they wouldn't have made half of these decisions.
 

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So in the end Gold Coast just looks like a bunch of clowns.

Thanks for the free player.
and the AFL helped them look like clowns.
Gil is a ******* idiot and sooner he goes the sooner footy and even Gold Coast can start to learn to be run like a real football club and not feel they can make stupid decisions and not worry as AFL will give them something to make up for mistakes sometime later. What a f’ed up culture Gil helped create happen.
 
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Foucault1989

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The first rounder would be us - Future 2020 Pick 11 and 2019 Pick 64 for 2019 Pick 27, haha

They can literally only do that and make all these absurd decisions, because the AFL just keeps picking them up, wiping their bum, and changing their nappies, everytime they sh*t themselves and make said ridiculous decision. Genuinely turning into a joke now.
That is such a God awful trade. Well done geelong. Fleeced them
 

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I'm not assuming he'll be a bust at all, lol. Sharp was one of 10 or so players I really wanted. The point is though, is that he was consistently rated as a pick in the 20's, and because the AFL gave GC a Pick 11 'freebie' for next year, they could make free-wheeling decisions like trading 11 for 27, like they did. We would have picked up Sharp I assume, had GC not offered us such an enticing deal.

It's only the fact that there's no consequence for their actions, that means they can essentially trade whatever the hell they want and do whatever they want at the moment, lol. No other club is making trades like they did last year with WC, trading future mid 1sts for future mid seconds, giving up Pick 2 for Weller, and knocking back picks for players (Jack Martin), like GC have. I guarantee, if the AFL hadn't given them such a free license, they wouldn't have made half of these decisions.
Exactly. Gil is to blame for encouraging such stupidity other clubs cannot afford to be as reckless with picks and trade decisions.
Hopefully this is the last of this bullshit and AFL need a new CEO so this stupid culture ends here and now.
 

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That is such a God awful trade. Well done geelong. Fleeced them
AFL essentially gifted GC Anderson, Sharp and half of Flanders as compensation, and on top of that they get an expanded rookie list and the right to select their academy players (from a further expanded zone) without having to use any picks.

If GC can't get out of the bottom 6 in the next 2 years, they're done.
 

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That is such a God awful trade. Well done geelong. Fleeced them
The Pick 64 was just the icing on the lopsided cake. On traded to Essendon along with GC future 3rd we got in the Jenkins trade, and our future 4th, for Cam Taheny at Pick 50 (who was actually rated ahead/around the same mark as Sharp at Pick 24 - Pick 28).

That's how a smart list manager operates. Craig Cameron has just been given the keys to a Porsche, Mazzerati, Rolls Royce, Lamborghini and a Ferarri, and he's just driving them into walls while drunk and snorting coke, and busting out the next fancy model.

'I'll take Flanders, and Sharp and Rowell and Anderson... oh wait... I have no picks left next year and all our players are still young and I have no idea how to get any decent players without paying ridiculous amounts of money, offering up stupid draft picks, or having the AFL clean up my mess after I did a boom boom...uh oh...'

The whole thing is a f*cking joke, lol.
 
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I knew he’d go. Was just giving youse all a rev up.

$1 million a year for a C-grade forward flanker to go with drafting a kid with a wrecked knee at pick 17. Blues fans are kings of putting positive spin on ordinary decision making.
OMG there's still people out there who think we are paying Martin $1 million a year...

Is it so hard to educate yourself before criticising Carlton based on something that isn't even true? Obviously it is.
 

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Jack Martin got 3 brownlow votes in round 2 and 2 brownlow votes in round 3. I think that means he had 2 OK games in a row.
... extrapolating that out 3+2 = 5 votes over Rounds 2 and 3, so two games, which means 2.5 votes per game..... over a full season.... carry the 1... I think he'll win 2020 Brownlow for the Blues with 55 votes.

In fact, anything less and he's a failure.
 

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I knew he’d go. Was just giving youse all a rev up.

$1 million a year for a C-grade forward flanker to go with drafting a kid with a wrecked knee at pick 17. Blues fans are kings of putting positive spin on ordinary decision making.
Limp effort, but props for coming back to face the music. I guess.
 

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Where do you even start on a comment like this. Whatever you were going for you’ve done it poorly.
What I said is exactly what happened.

Roughead was unable to play and the club had no idea if he would return. They werent able to trade in a key forward/ruck and had no time to draft and build up a kid.

The only 2 choices to fill the immediate gap were Vickery or Vardy via free agency. And the only way to stop Richmond matching was making it $500k x 2 years to get Richmond better compo than we had to trade.

In the end we didnt need Vickery and he was not going to get back in to the team so was allowed to retire.

None of the above is new or shocking.

But Vickery was mentioned. Thus me wondering if that is what Martin brings to Carlton.
 

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I like that you dispute the money thing but not that he’s a C-grader.

Elmer_Judd said:
I am ready to admit i was wrong and apologize to you personally if the Suns or Dees take Martin in the PSD.

I also might have been a bit OTT in some of my responses to you, and for that i do apologize, for that.

I get your point about the Suns making a stand on players being poached, but taking my Carlton hat off, I think it will create an unhealthy environment next year in the playing group.

Elmer I know you are a passionate fan, just like me. No offence taken all in good fun. If I am wrong I will make good on my pledge to disappear and will wish Jack Martin a long and distinguished career in the navy blue. If not ... please indulge me one or two gloating posts!
 

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What I said is exactly what happened.

Roughead was unable to play and the club had no idea if he would return. They werent able to trade in a key forward/ruck and had no time to draft and build up a kid.

The only 2 choices to fill the immediate gap were Vickery or Vardy via free agency. And the only way to stop Richmond matching was making it $500k x 2 years to get Richmond better compo than we had to trade.

In the end we didnt need Vickery and he was not going to get back in to the team so was allowed to retire.

None of the above is new or shocking.

But Vickery was mentioned. Thus me wondering if that is what Martin brings to Carlton.
Brings what to Carlton?
 

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