Confirmed Jack Martin [Selected by Carlton in the PSD]

sherrif

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It could be me but I view the Sharp trade (giving away an early pick next year for a mid second rounder) and the Jack Martin situation as an example of what sets up Gold Coast for failure. They keep been giving these advantages or concessions so they dont have to try massively hard to make every post a winner. As a result they keep failing. If Gold Coast wanted to make a stand then they should have said they would never under any cirmcunstances trade ith Carlton again if they refused to make a decent offer at the trade table for Martin. Instead they make a trade in the draft after Carlton acted like flogs in their trade negotiations.
 

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sherrif

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Carlton talking up the recruit?

Carlton offered up a second and a third, but that was nowhere near enough for the talent in question.
If you think Carlton are talking him up, what do you think Gold Coast were doing via their actions?

Have you thought this through?
They offered a future second in a compromised draft according to the interview with Gold Coast post trade period. Even if a third was involved and the report is wrong thats sweet f all. Next years draft is so compromised you will be talking picks in the mid 30's for an early second rounder traded in. Considering Carlton should climb the ladder next year a second rounder if you finish 8th or 9th gets you pick 45ish as more than half of the projected 2020 top 40 are already aligned to clubs.

Carlton certainly broke the flog metre in this trade period. Nothing to be proud of for sure. Yep we will play a player 800K a year and then offer picks that will be in the 30's and 50's. at best. They didnt offer anything remotely significant and about the same value as your average fringe 22 player. They are overpaying an average player so they get him for free only. Martin broke new ground in terms of an experienced player going backwards last year. It seems bloody obvious Carlton always planned to make an offer GC coiudnt accept, only to then pay Martin soo much that no team would match in PSD.
 
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CFC_#17

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It could be me but I view the Sharp trade (giving away an early pick next year for a mid second rounder) and the Jack Martin situation as an example of what sets up Gold Coast for failure. They keep been giving these advantages or concessions so they dont have to try massively hard to make every post a winner. As a result they keep failing. If Gold Coast wanted to make a stand then they should have said they would never under any cirmcunstances trade ith Carlton again if they refused to make a decent offer at the trade table for Martin. Instead they make a trade in the draft after Carlton acted like flogs in their trade negotiations.
I think your getting Carlton confused with Peter Bell, the biggest Flog of the trade period.
 

sherrif

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Carlton did really well here, even if it took a lot longer than anyone expected.

Gold Coast prove yet again they are an utter basket case who will squander every leg up they are given.
How the hell is not making a trade that should have happened doing well? What they did was show the afl that they need to change the rules with the PSD. If incompetency at the trade table is rewarded the entire draft system will be broken.
 

sherrif

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I think your getting Carlton confused with Peter Bell, the biggest Flog of the trade period.
Um no. You certainly broke new ground in acting like deadset morons and exposing that actually its the system that needs to be changed. Yep, lets be incompetent in trade week and then gain a benefit. Thats the systems fault.
 

projectv

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How the hell is not making a trade that should have happened doing well? What they did was show the afl that they need to change the rules with the PSD. If incompetency at the trade table is rewarded the entire draft system will be broken.
He was always going to end up at the PSD. He was uncontracted and refused to sign a new one, he can't just be forced to pass on an income.

Carlton got a player they were willing to offer picks for, for nothing. That's a win for them.

If anyone is incompetent in this situation it is GC. No hope of him re-signing, wants out, knows he can walk to another club in the draft. They should have just accepted whatever they could get.
 

sherrif

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He was always going to end up at the PSD. He was uncontracted and refused to sign a new one, he can't just be forced to pass on an income.

Carlton got a player they were willing to offer picks for, for nothing. That's a win for them.

If anyone is incompetent in this situation it is GC. No hope of him re-signing, wants out, knows he can walk to another club in the draft. They should have just accepted whatever they could get.
No they really shouldnt. Carlton offered a pick likely to be between 35 to 45. Thats not worth anything. The afl need to change the rules and make every player who cant be traded enter the National draft. If not every year there will a team that deliberately acts like they can destroy what the draft was set up to do in terms of long league equality. It really is time for the afl to get players to sign much stronger wavers where they have to argee to play for another team that selects them no matter what if a trade cant be organized and I mean that they cant even say that they dont want to play for another team, rather they say IIll enter the draft and accept where I go. They do that in the NBA with player contracts in terms of players not having to agree to go to other teams, so why cant we do the same thing that draftees with players who are put of contract and cant be traded so they have to agree that they will willingly play for another team.
 
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jezzajay

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Yeah I try to help the less fortunate that think their season is getting turned around with Eddie and Jack. You are just kidding us all aren't you. haha.
Please point out where I said that?
You’re talking rubbish.
 

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No they really shouldnt. Carlton offered a pick likely to be between 35 to 45.
Carlton offered what for the last several years has been around pick 20-23 and 40 odd.

Every year academy kids don’t go where they’re predicted to a year out and no one said GCS had to take those picks to the draft; points are going to be flying around all over the place next trade period. Fair enough GCS wanted to trade on their terms, but that doesn’t make Carlton’s offer a shit one.
 

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It could be me but I view the Sharp trade (giving away an early pick next year for a mid second rounder) and the Jack Martin situation as an example of what sets up Gold Coast for failure. They keep been giving these advantages or concessions so they dont have to try massively hard to make every post a winner. As a result they keep failing.
They also gave you pick 2 for Weller and virtually gave away Lyons to Brisbane for nothing...
In any case the AFL has got their back...more assistance?.. here you go...
 

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bmaurizio

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How the hell is not making a trade that should have happened doing well? What they did was show the afl that they need to change the rules with the PSD. If incompetency at the trade table is rewarded the entire draft system will be broken.
Let’s be clear Jack Martin was out of contract and had walked out on GCS months ago, eventually Jack had to delisted himself to ensure he could exercise his choice to change the direction of his footy career we should all respect this basic right .
CFC chased a desired player, happen to have the cap mobility to accommodate him we’ve bided our time , I see nothing dishonorable.
 

camcanchris

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Well done my club on showing up the trading system as a failure and more importantly we exposed Carlton as being the same club that learnt zero from being caught cheating

well done Mark Evans and Craig Cameron

grow a pair Gil
Yep, you certainly did show that you are a failure at trading, both in the trade period and the draft. buffoons!
 

HARKER

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They offered a future second in a compromised draft according to the interview with Gold Coast post trade period. Even if a third was involved and the report is wrong thats sweet f all. Next years draft is so compromised you will be talking picks in the mid 30's for an early second rounder traded in. Considering Carlton should climb the ladder next year a second rounder if you finish 8th or 9th gets you pick 45ish as more than half of the projected 2020 top 40 are already aligned to clubs.

Carlton certainly broke the flog metre in this trade period. Nothing to be proud of for sure. Yep we will play a player 800K a year and then offer picks that will be in the 30's and 50's. at best. They didnt offer anything remotely significant and about the same value as your average fringe 22 player. They are overpaying an average player so they get him for free only. Martin broke new ground in terms of an experienced player going backwards last year. It seems bloody obvious Carlton always planned to make an offer GC coiudnt accept, only to then pay Martin soo much that no team would match in PSD.
Forget this compromised draft stuff. No one knows as fact as to how it will pan out and if it did as you say, so what?
You have to accept that an early to mid second rounder is an early to mid second rounder and an early to mid third, an early to mid third.

Carlton rated Martin and put forward a fair offer. You say Martin went backwards, right? Then why the claim for a first rounder. A first rounder is reserved for premium talent. What you're saying doesn't make sense.

What we had here was a President wanting to make a point he couldn't carry out and you call Carlton the flogs?
Think about the facts and come back with reality and not emotion,.
 

Triniboy

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Well done my club on showing up the trading system as a failure and more importantly we exposed Carlton as being the same club that learnt zero from being caught cheating

well done Mark Evans and Craig Cameron

grow a pair Gil
Only failure in what should have been an easy trade was your clubs inability to negotiate “something” in return...ball was in your clubs court..they knew Martin was gorne....however facts are they persisted with ridiculous pick demands...hope Evans and Cameron have learnt something.
 

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Um no. You certainly broke new ground in acting like deadset morons and exposing that actually its the system that needs to be changed. Yep, lets be incompetent in trade week and then gain a benefit. Thats the systems fault.
Are you 3? I ask this question not in a trolling manner more the fact the team you support did the same thing at the trade table. Poor guy had to sit a year out of footy.
 

Jirik13

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Question for Carlton's fans. Do you think that SOS would make the same decision next time? I personally doubt. He was genuinely shocked that Suns did not accept his offer. It was very stressful time for Martin and his partner. You don't want a player you trying to get to go through PSD. This is the last thing players want to go through. Not good image for future trades.
 

KnaveyBlue

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Question for Carlton's fans. Do you think that SOS would make the same decision next time? I personally doubt. He was genuinely shocked that Suns did not accept his offer. It was very stressful time for Martin and his partner. You don't want a player you trying to get to go through PSD. This is the last thing players want to go through. Not good image for future trades.
I think his reaction was more in regard to Papley. That's one part of the trade period I think he got wrong - he clearly thought Swans would come to the party even if the Daniher trade fell over, but they were never going to budge.

As for image:

Gold Coast: "We're making a stand! No more crappy deals. We'll redraft Martin!"

*Martin Walks*

Gold Coast: "..."

Geelong: "How about Pick 27 for Pick 11?"

Gold Coast: "Deal."
 

bigblueboy

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Question for Carlton's fans. Do you think that SOS would make the same decision next time? I personally doubt. He was genuinely shocked that Suns did not accept his offer. It was very stressful time for Martin and his partner. You don't want a player you trying to get to go through PSD. This is the last thing players want to go through. Not good image for future trades.
Yep no winners here. GC should have accepted a decent offer for an uncontracted player they had consigned to the NEAFL.

How many other clubs in recent years have chosen to play the same game with an uncontracted player?

Carlton has a very good reputation for being fair and innovative traders.
 

Jeremias

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Question for Carlton's fans. Do you think that SOS would make the same decision next time? I personally doubt. He was genuinely shocked that Suns did not accept his offer. It was very stressful time for Martin and his partner. You don't want a player you trying to get to go through PSD. This is the last thing players want to go through. Not good image for future trades.
Yes, I would expect SOS to continue to offer what he deems as fair for an out of contract player.

Clearly it didn't eventuate the way we would have liked, but in the end we got there, and the Suns got nothing.

If anything I think the Suns would do things differently next time around, at least I would hope so, because as we know this "taking a stand" garbage is exactly that.
 

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