Opinion Jack Steven

[Mikka84]

I will if people keep suggesting it. It’s nearly illogical that they keep for a year and then let him go for less than they paid for him.

Possibly. Possibly not.

 

[Mikka84]

List spots are tight already because we have a heavy youth brigade. I'd rather rookie young Milne or Voss and see if we can find a diamond in the rough than list another injury bust. Put him on as a coach if he wants a job.

I could free up at least 8 list spots for S Hill in my head immediately.

 

[Yawkey way]

Exactly. That’s why they will keep him and hope he stays long term.

I guess we’ll see how it plays out.

 

[mightymalaka]

I would be very surprised if Ben King is allowed to leave at the end of this year
Whether it be by the AFL or Gold Coast!
Have no doubt he wants to come home and play with his brother, i just can't see it happening this year!

To be honest the end of next year suits us better anyway imo, we need to address more pressing needs
This off season and get some serious onball talent in!
Plus all the rumours suggesting we are also targetting other ruckmen leads me to believe we are
Not bringing Ben in this year!
Don't get me wrong i want him! Just think it makes more sense when the lad is a little more well rounded
With the benefit of having 2 years in the system!

As for Stuv, reckon he is gone for sure sadly. It's just now down to seeing whether we can get anywhere
Near decent compensation for him!

 

[saintbatty]

I could free up at least 8 list spots for S Hill in my head immediately.

And half of those would be inferior players to S Hill even if he can only get on the park part time.

 

[VDS66]

Dont drink or bet that is for mugs

I bet you don't drink...

 

[VDS66]

Exactly. That’s why they will keep him and hope he stays long term.

why? If he wants to play with us, why would you hope he stays long term?

 

[VDS66]

I could free up at least 8 list spots for S Hill in my head immediately.

Generous IMO.

 

[plugger66]

why? If he wants to play with us, why would you hope he stays long term?

Because you live in hope and they don’t gain anything losing him this year so why wouldn’t you keep him. Things do change. And it shows other who are recruited by the golf coast you have to at least finish your contract. That is probably the most important thing of all

 

[Mikka84]

Generous IMO.

Generous to the ones I didn’t put from 8-12.

 

[VDS66]

Generous to the ones I didn’t put from 8-12.

it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that Bing...

 

[gringo2011]

I am using contract law. Wont say it will happen but manipulation of contract law by the AFL would be a scandal.

Wonder if Gill would enjoy a stint inside the big house.
And before you emotionally respond with 'that wont happen' I am just pointing out contract manipulation and duress. Corps Law could also get a run [emoji15][emoji6]

How is it manipulation of a contract? Doesn't he have a GC contract for next year? That would mean they can hold him to it. I reckon even if the AFL don't step in they will play hard ball. Lukosius and Rankine are likely to want out as well. They need to stick a wall up and hope the kids get used to being there.

 

[Joffaboy]

I bet you don't drink...

Or punt.

 

[gringo2011]

I could free up at least 8 list spots for S Hill in my head immediately.

So move Armo out and pull up his Zimmer frame for Stephen.

 

[Joffaboy]

How is it manipulation of a contract? Doesn't he have a GC contract for next year? That would mean they can hold him to it. I reckon even if the AFL don't step in they will play hard ball. Lukosius and Rankine are likely to want out as well. They need to stick a wall up and hope the kids get used to being there.

Oh keep up gringo. A third party leaning on two contracted parties with threats of repercussion is coersion.

 

[jwikked]

I’m not arguing about the end of next year. I’m just saying I doubt we even try this year.

If the club doesn’t try this year, they need to sack everyone involved.
To not even ask the question is just complete stupidity.

 

[mightymalaka]

All the legal jargon in the world aint changing a thing!

What folks are missing is that the AFL are a law onto themselves, as is their whole contract agreement
It's not changing suddenly this off season just cause we want Ben!

 

[Mikka84]

it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that Bing...

My anaconda don’t want none unless you got Bing hun.

 

[plugger66]

If the club doesn’t try this year, they need to sack everyone involved.
To not even ask the question is just complete stupidity.

Maybe we might be advised by the AFL to wait or maybe we will just show goodwill to Ben or maybe even Max has said lets just let him finish his contract. Even if we try it just going to happen because Gold Coast can only lose face if they let a 1st year contracted player go. Its just not happening.

 

[triggering bro]

RE Ben King being traded this year it would depend on the circumstances.

Boyd was incredibly home sick & the rumours at the time were that he was returning to Melbourne no matter what. He’d packed his bags & walked out the door. And we know about his troubled history since & now he’s retired due to his poor mental health.

We saw what happened with McCarthy when he wasn’t released from his contract. He didn’t play the following season, took time off, returned to Perth & was traded the following year.

Many are saying that Jack Steven will be released from his contract due to his personal circumstances.

Hypothetically, what if Ben was homesick just like Boyd, being an identical twin likely comes with its own nuances. He could pack his bags, head home & not return either way. Would the AFL/GC block the trade given those circumstances?

I don’t believe there’s a definitive answer & as I stated it will come down to the individuals circumstances.

 

[Mikka84]

Maybe we might be advised by the AFL to wait or maybe we will just show goodwill to Ben or maybe even Max has said lets just let him finish his contract. Even if we try it just going to happen because Gold Coast can only lose face if they let a 1st year contracted player go. Its just not happening.

Depends on how it’s displayed to the outside world really. If he’s so homesick it’s effecting his day to day life, then of course they facilitate a fair trade.

 

[mightymalaka]

RE Ben King being traded this year it would depend on the circumstances.

Boyd was incredibly home sick & the rumours at the time were that he was returning to Melbourne no matter what. He’d packed his bags & walked out the door. And we know about his troubled history since & now he’s retired largely to his poor mental health.

We saw what happened with McCarthy when he wasn’t released from his contract. He didn’t play the following season, took time off, returned to Perth & was traded the following year.

Many are saying that Jack Steven will be released from his contract due to his personal circumstances.

Hypothetically, what if Ben was homesick just like Boyd, being an identical twin likely comes with its own nuances. He could pack his bags, head home & not return either way. Would the AFL/GC block the trade given those circumstances?

I don’t believe there’s a definitive answer & as I stated it will come down to the individuals circumstances.

I reckon the AFL would make him stand out of footy for a year then!
Plus with Boyd remember there was a massive deal put to him by the Dogs in response to the
Then recruiting coup from GWS by enticing the Dogs captain at the time Griffin to go!

Even if we got the very best compo imaginable for Steven, we still don't have enough sugar to tempt GC!

 

[triggering bro]

Depends on how it’s displayed to the outside world really. If he’s so homesick it’s effecting his day to day life, then of course they facilitate a fair trade.

I know he wasn’t let go in his first year however Josh Schache is another example of a young player let go while under contract.

Brisbane seem to be leading the way with their recruitment & list management. They target particular types of players (VC) from the draft & players that played a lot of junior footy together (Neal & McCarthy). On the other hand they seem receptive to moving those on that don’t want to be there (Schache & Beames).

Gold Coast are a rabble, have no clear recruitment strategy & as a result are a revolving door for young talent.

 

[plugger66]

Depends on how it’s displayed to the outside world really. If he’s so homesick it’s effecting his day to day life, then of course they facilitate a fair trade.

Well he better hurry with that excuse. I think we are clutching at cows. Id say he is 107% chance of sating and at the most 4% chance of going.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I would be very surprised if Ben King is allowed to leave at the end of this year
Whether it be by the AFL or Gold Coast!
Have no doubt he wants to come home and play with his brother, i just can't see it happening this year!

To be honest the end of next year suits us better anyway imo, we need to address more pressing needs
This off season and get some serious onball talent in!
Plus all the rumours suggesting we are also targetting other ruckmen leads me to believe we are
Not bringing Ben in this year!
Don't get me wrong i want him! Just think it makes more sense when the lad is a little more well rounded
With the benefit of having 2 years in the system!

As for Stuv, reckon he is gone for sure sadly. It's just now down to seeing whether we can get anywhere
Near decent compensation for him!

A year or two ago , no problem, but just too much focus on it now. (and of course timing always works against the Saints ).