Jacob's Request Trade

[parrot]

Maybe I'm the odd Crow poster out, but that trade seems ok. Pick 28 and a first round upgrade for Jacobs.

That's the closest to reality I've seen from any Crows supporter.

From our point of view, pick 14 would be the best outcome and reflect his true value. But given the out of contract situation we'll have to get below market i.e. a 20-24 pickish type deal. The Warnock trade was an identical situation actually.

Everything changes if the Walker trade get involved though.

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

I still don't see what is wrong with the Bock pick + either Sellar or another pick in the 40s / 50s.

Obviously, we'd love Adelaide's first rounder, but we can hardly sit here and demand it. Have Carlton supporters forgotten that Jacobs was dropped twice this year? He's a solid, not spectacular tap ruckman, who will get about 20 hitouts per game and take a couple of marks. Just because Collingwood hand out first round picks doesn't mean that is the starting point for all deals involving ruckmen.

The draft isn't as thinned out as people are claiming, either. Most of the Gold Coasts' 17 year old signings were players who were only on the fringes of being drafted, so they took the secure option.

 

[Sin City]

Most of the Gold Coasts' 17 year old signings were players who were only on the fringes of being drafted, so they took the secure option.

This made me laugh enough last time you posted it, cheers

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

This made me laugh enough last time you posted it, cheers

I'll meet you here in two years when half of them have been delisted.

 

[Sin City]

I'll meet you here in two years when half of them have been delisted.

No worries.

 

[HARKER]

Maybe I'm the odd Crow poster out, but that trade seems ok. Pick 28 and a first round upgrade for Jacobs.

The Black Crow of the family, maybe?

I'm still sorry for Jacobs to be leaving, but let's face it, it comes as no surprise as we were all talking about the possibility 6 months back.

Been giving things a little thought and right for now, I won't lose myself if we do happen to lose Walker, Thornton and even Grigg.
Do we really want players that are ahead of themselves in terms of their pecking orders in our best side?
It would be funny though if Walker and Thornton ended up on the same team somewhere else, staring each other down and accusing one another for each other's errors. (Just like they did for us)

I really hope that Grigg gets serious from here on in, and if not? The door is that way, mate.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Jeepers, where did you really come from?? you're a keeper .

You get to keep a first and second round pick and get a #1 ruckman, not a bad trade week.

Mate, I'll direct this at you as one of those who know the draft. Is there really much to be gained from a first round upgrade? I heard Matt Rendell on the radio saying that you could throw a blanket over 10-20 and a lot of it will come down to the individual needs of the club.

If that is the case, are we better off going for a different set of steak knives, even if it is in the form of a punt on a talented but underachieving player?

 

[King Elvis]

You missed the point. Was it too subtle? Let me walk you through it again. IF there was a stalemate, and the only prospect was PSD and Richmond (i.e. AFL's hell-hole), you'd find Jacobs would naturally express some interest in StKilda for example, or even Geelong. Not saying it'll happen, but these scenarios will keep the Crows honest in any deal. Your SA co-tenant is watching things play out as well. Don't be surprised if they make a "surprise" bid during trade week. Jacobs would slot in nicely there. Lots to play out yet. Predicting you'll end up coughing up the equivalent of around pick 20 i.e. similar to the Warnock trade.

Didn't miss the point at all.

Jacobs has stated that he wants to come to Adelaide (meaning the Saints are out, and Richmond are out), and the Crows specifically (meaning the Power aren't a big factor), so your hypotheticals are pretty irrelevant.

I'd think our compensation pick would go close (which can be around #20), or our second + Sellar; haven't you been saying #14 would be required, possibly with a sweetener from us, the entire time?

The pick upgrade scenario above isn't terrible, but I'd think it'd be our second round more than the Bock pick, if that was done.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Maybe I'm the odd Crow poster out, but that trade seems ok. Pick 28 and a first round upgrade for Jacobs.

Think Adeaide should let you do there trades for them next week

 

[parrot]

Didn't miss the point at all.

Jacobs has stated that he wants to come to Adelaide (meaning the Saints are out, and Richmond are out), and the Crows specifically (meaning the Power aren't a big factor), so your hypotheticals are pretty irrelevant.....

Not true. His main objective is getting more opportunity. His other is being in SA. Port tick both boxes. Saints tick one. If it's a decision between Saints and Tiges, it'll be Saints. That'll be the only choice he has if it gets to a PSD. Probably won't happen, but it could. That's why the PSD card is leverage to keep the Crows honest. You'll need to cough up around 20 - and I'm not talking about 20 in 2-3 years time like your compo pick. Now is all that counts. BTW it could end up being a lot more if the Walker trade gets involved. Wonder if the Crows will end up being our 2010 version of Brisbane?

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

No worries.

By the way, I'm still yet to hear why my suggestion is so comical to you. Keath and Toy were the main ones GC were chasing that had major interest from other teams, and Keath chose cricket. Toy and Matera are AIS members and Matera obviously has good heritage as well. The rest are speculative picks, cherry picked from the 30+ range in the draft.

With their zone selections, who know how they will turn out. As you can see, Queensland isn't a huge area of AFL talent.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

Maybe I'm the odd Crow poster out, but that trade seems ok. Pick 28 and a first round upgrade for Jacobs.

pick 18 and Jacobs for pick 14 and pick 28.

This way you guys get a first rounder, second rounder AND Jacobs while we only get a slight upgrade in our first rounder and a very speculative pick 28.

Jacobs and our second rounder for pick 14 and your third rounder seems to be more fair to me.

That way you will have your Bock compo pick, your second rounder and our second rounder as well as Jacobs. Three relatively early picks and a number 1 ruckman.

We keep our first rounder and get yours.

 

[Sekaj]

I don't think there's a Port supporter in the world who has lost a wink of sleep over the Power choosing Boak over Sellar.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not suggesting that Sellar is better than Boak. All I'm saying is that Port Power supporters developed an irrational hatred of Sellar just because Andrew Capel wrote an article in the paper suggesting that they should have selected him.

Here is an example:

Port were mocked in the Advertiser and on Bigfooty for taking Boak instead of Sellar. So we like to remind them wherever possible that in hindsight, we're just about OK with that call.

It really is quite infantile behaviour from a supporter base renowned for being overly sensitive. The fact that they are in a thread discussing a trade between Carlton and Adelaide which doesn't even concern them demonstrates my point further.

 

[Sekaj]

Hehe, ignore Sekaj, she has major issues over the whole Sellar thing. It is a touchy subject.

Why would it be a touchy subject for Crows supporters? From all reports, Sellar won't even be a Crow next year.

Hope you rob the Crows blind...but i doubt it sadly!!

You mean like Carlton robbed you blind by picking up Nick Stevens for nothing?

 

[The Toad]

Mmmm, not sure if I should now consider him a traitor like that dog Hamill or just be happy for him him to better his career elsewhere????

Decisions, decisions.

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

Mmmm, not sure if I should now consider him a traitor like that dog Hamill or just be happy for him him to better his career elsewhere????

Decisions, decisions.

C'mon Toady. Hamill was a key to Carlton(maggot). Sauce is a key to Preston.

Give him the blessing.

 

[krayfesh]

Mmmm, not sure if I should now consider him a traitor like that dog Hamill or just be happy for him him to better his career elsewhere????

Decisions, decisions.

Nah, be happy.

We're in a better place than when Hamill left.

And Sauce is adorable.

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

Mmmm, not sure if I should now consider him a traitor like that dog Hamill or just be happy for him him to better his career elsewhere????

Decisions, decisions.

Hamill left purely for money. Sauce is leaving because he realises he is third on the pecking order, when he could be #1 elsewhere. As long as Carlton are properly compensated, we should wish him luck.

 

[Salaryman]

Mate, I'll direct this at you as one of those who know the draft. Is there really much to be gained from a first round upgrade? I heard Matt Rendell on the radio saying that you could throw a blanket over 10-20 and a lot of it will come down to the individual needs of the club.

If that is the case, are we better off going for a different set of steak knives, even if it is in the form of a punt on a talented but underachieving player?

In the bigger scheme of things not much difference....unless there is somebody we specifically wanted and didn't think they would get to 18. If we wanted a young tall to develop for arguments sake 14 might net you one of lynch watson mccarthy or darling...18 may not. But the crows would still get a good mid at 18. Of course if you rated sellar then youd stick with that and 18. 18 should still get a decent prospect

 

[Schulzenfest]

If the 26 year old Hale is worth pick 31 or thereabouts to Hawthorn or Melbourne, then we will stand firm on Jacobs who is yet to turn 23.

The fact that (if what you just said is true) Hawthorn or Melbourne are stupid has no effect on Jacobs's value. Hale isn't worth pick 131.

 

[methinks]

Don't be silly. How can you begrudge a guy whose two options are 1. Play in the VFL, or 2 Play in the AFL as a no.1 ruckman for more money.

Grigg on the other hand, if he leaves, would be a F*&^ing dog.

Why would Grigg want to leave?? Seams like there are several disgruntled players at the club. couldnt be because of the COACH could it"??????

 

[Silvagnis]

The fact that (if what you just said is true) Hawthorn or Melbourne are stupid has no effect on Jacobs's value. Hale isn't worth pick 131.

We already have parrot, so we don't need another troll who deals in ifs and buts to troll.

A club that needed a number one ruckman would snap up Jacobs if they had a first round pick between picks 18 to 25. The Crows have effectively stated that their current rucks aren't up to scratch. Jacobs will be their number one ruckman. A second round pick isn't good enough because they want us to delist Sellar for them in 2013.

 

[Schulzenfest]

That's great, but Adelaide don't have a pick between 18 to 25. I don't disagree that Jacobs is worth that, I'm just saying that in a buyer's market you're unlikely to get that. Unless St. Kilda or someone throw their hat into the ring (FWIW, if I was in power at the Saints I'd be willing to give up their first rounder for Jacobs).

 

[Malifice]

That's great, but Adelaide don't have a pick between 18 to 25.

Bock compensation pick anyone?

 

[GordonBlue]

bock compensation pick anyone?

28..