Jacob's Request Trade

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

I said on a different thread that i thought Marcus Davies would be a bigger, stronger, cleaner HB/MF then Grigg and that Yarren would be a faster, smarter, cleaner player then Walker when played on a wing and i think Carlton lead by Swan are heading in the right direction developing the strongest list possible. Everyone screamed when we took more midfield players last year, now we are trading 2 MF to fill holes, smart move i say as sugar kane lucas will be a better player then any that have asked to be traded this week.

Everyone screamed because we're still short of KPs and they take longer. No question there are still holes in the midfield. I hope to here Yaz is middle of the pack in the Princes Park time trial this pre-season. Davies looked good , also hope to see Austin back in the side.

 

[Schulzenfest]

He's got every right to do that. Doesn't mean our staff won't get a good deal for him.

Unless Adelaide decide they're not willing to give up pick 14, (not beyond the realms of possibility), which is apparently the only thing you consider a good deal, and he goes to the PSD.

 

[Sin City]

Unless Adelaide decide they're not willing to give up pick 14, (not beyond the realms of possibility), which is apparently the only thing you consider a good deal, and he goes to the PSD.

You can throw contradictions up all you like, I'm more confident in Swann and Icke getting what they want than it ending up what you think it should.

 

[Hardballget5]

Reid, Goldsack, Dawson, Brown, just some young defenders playing in a GF this weekend. Midfield is where it starts and finishes they have to be big enough and strong enough to extract and deliver, Jamo and Bower are coming along and some kpp talent at the right time picked up in the draft this year will be cherry ripe in 2-3 years when our MF is big enough and strong enough to extract and deliver IMO.

 

[Schulzenfest]

You can throw contradictions up all you like, I'm more confident in Swann and Icke getting what they want than it ending up what you think it should.

Do you think Adelaide will give up pick 14 for the uncontracted Jacobs, when they know that if your club doesn't accept the Bock compo pick (which IMO is what you'll end up with, possibly with Sellar thrown in) you'll lose him for nothing. Yes or no?

Just to be clear, I'm not asking you what you think he's worth to Carlton. I'm asking you what you think Adelaide will be willing to give up for him. There's a difference.

Personally, I think it'll end up as a game of chicken. And I don't think Adelaide will crack, because Carlton have more to lose. For Adelaide, it's the difference between getting Jacobs and having a first rounder. Both are good options. For Carlton, it's the difference between having an early second rounder and absolutely nothing. One is a good option, one isn't. Swann and Icke might be the best negotiators in the world, but the facts are they're in a disadvantaged position.

 

[Sin City]

Do you think Adelaide will give up pick 14 for the uncontracted Jacobs

Yes.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Why?

 

[mjonc]

Hey Guys I'm new here, just wondering if you guys think that when Ratten said " we might do something different to what everyone thinks " he really meant " we want picks and we are going to top up on kids because we are probably 2-3 years from really having a crack at the gf and guys like Jacobs might get us that player we need rather then just clogging our list "? Also i think in a compromised draft Pick 14 for Jacobs is a done deal with Swan do our deals.

I couldn't agree more with your comments.

 

[Sin City]

Why?

 

[FAITH]

Yes.

Our list manager has stated that our number 1 target this draft/trade period is to get a gun midf with our pick 14, so there is no way they will trade it for Jacobs.
Some guy on radio today said the following deal is almost done:
Jacobs to crows;
Griffen to Freo + crows bock pick;
Tarrant to Carlt + Freo 2nd rounder.

Not sure if it is true. Wait and see i guess.

Personally id rather miss out on Jacobs and use 14 for a gun midf.

 

[Sin City]

Some guy on radio today said the following deal is almost done:

Can't get any more concrete than that

 

[Schulzenfest]

Our list manager has stated that our number 1 target this draft/trade period is to get a gun midf with our pick 14, so there is no way they will trade it for Jacobs.
Some guy on radio today said the following deal is almost done:
Jacobs to crows;
Griffen to Freo + crows bock pick;
Tarrant to Carlt + Freo 2nd rounder.

Not sure if it is true. Wait and see i guess.

Personally id rather miss out on Jacobs and use 14 for a gun midf.

Sounds like bullshit. Freo get a ridiculously good deal out of that trade.

 

[parrot]

Our list manager has stated that our number 1 target this draft/trade period is to get a gun midf with our pick 14, ....

You'd be very lucky to get a "gun mid" with pick 14 in this draft, which is the equivalent of pick 20 in other drafts. They'd all be snapped up well before then. Think the crows know that, that's why they throwing the compo pick at Tambling, because he has talent at least, and they're confident they can turn around 6 years of poor development at Tigerland. Sounding more and more like pick 14 is going to the Blues for Jacobs.... may happen on Monday even.

BTW Tarrants going to the Pies. Maybe a Josh Fraser swap.

 

[parrot]

Sounds like bullshit. Freo get a ridiculously good deal out of that trade.

Do you support the Crows as well?

 

[FAITH]

one thing is for sure pick 14 wont be traded for Jacobs so forget about it.
3 of our senior officials had categorically stated that there is no way 14 will be traded as its for a midf in the draft. There is no way they would state this and then do the opposite because adelaide media will 'hound them'.

I expect therefore a 3rd party to become involved whether it be Freo and Tarrant or Richmond and Tambling/Grigg/Thurdfield/Sellar etc.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Do you enjoy asking the same question again after it's already been answered?

 

[parrot]

one thing is for sure pick 14 wont be traded for Jacobs so forget about it.
3 of our senior officials had categorically stated that there is no way 14 will be traded as its for a midf in the draft. There is no way they would state this and then do the opposite because adelaide media will 'hound them'.

I expect therefore a 3rd party to become involved whether it be Freo and Tarrant or Richmond and Tambling/Grigg/Thurdfield/Sellar etc.

It'll be pick 14 now, since the crows have committed to using the compo pick on Tambling. That revealed their hand. An interesting development

BTW. Thursfield and Sellar aren't good enough to occupy a spot on our list. We wouldn't use a PSD or rookie pick on them. Swan said we don't want either. Thursfield is actually only a medium defender, and a poor one at that. Sellar.... well...... crows supporters rate him at least.

 

[FAITH]

You'd be very lucky to get a "gun mid" with pick 14 in this draft, which is the equivalent of pick 20 in other drafts. They'd all be snapped up well before then. Think the crows know that, that's why they throwing the compo pick at Tambling, because he has talent at least, and they're confident they can turn around 6 years of poor development at Tigerland. Sounding more and more like pick 14 is going to the Blues for Jacobs.... may happen on Monday even.

BTW Tarrants going to the Pies. Maybe a Josh Fraser swap.

Our recruiter spoke to adel radio last week and said the top 18 in this draft is real quality and expects a number of talls to go in top 12, and is confident a gun midf will be avail at 14, which we a desperate for.

Also i doubt Tarrant wil go to Coll, Fraser is finished.

 

[FAITH]

It'll be pick 14 now, since the crows have committed to using the compo pick on Tambling. That revealed their hand. An interesting development

BTW. Thursfield and Sellar aren't good enough to occupy a spot on our list. We wouldn't use a PSD or rookie pick on them. Swan said we don't want either. Thursfield is actually only a medium defender, and a poor one at that. Sellar.... well...... crows supporters rate him at least.

Again they wont trade 14.
Tambling no guarantee he will come to crows.
Still think trade for Jacobs will involve a 3rd party. Out of curiosity would you be happy with Tarrant and a 2nd rounder for jacobs?

 

[parrot]

Our recruiter spoke to adel radio last week and said the top 18 in this draft is real quality and expects a number of talls to go in top 12, and is confident a....

Well, something changed today. The pick they were going to use on Jacobs went, and the one left is the one Carlton are insisting on. Interesting eh. You'll find out shortly why we have the best negotiators in the business. We won't totally shaft you though - we're tough but fair. Some crows posters think a first request is always going to be unrealistic. But we never bother with unrealistic offers first up. Review the Judd and Warnock trades to see what I mean. What we initially demanded happened. We don't waste time with bluffs.

 

[Schulzenfest]

They were positions where Carlton had more power. This time around, the other side has more power.

 

[Elite Crow]

Faith and gopower there isnt any point getting into this with parrot.

 

[parrot]

They were positions where Carlton had more power. This time around, the other side has more power.

No, not true.

If Warnock went to the PSD we had zero chance of getting him. Freo refused to talk unless we gave up pick #6. They blinked

Weagles refused to trade unless we gave up pick #1, and were working with the Tiges who had PSD #1. They blinked.

In the Fev trade we had ZERO leverage, but (it's a long story), we managed to create a situation that forced Vossy to trade Fev, and somehow got 2 first round pick players out of a deal.

We're not about shafting your club though. Both the Freagles did OK, and Vossy just had himself to blame for what happened. He was out of his depth. I think you know pick 14 is fair, but we all know on BF the rules of the game are to always ask for more automatically, and then try to come up with a reason to justify it. lol. It's kinda pointless isn't it.

Anyway, I reckon the Tambling development tells us something.

 

[Silvagnis]

Our list manager has stated that our number 1 target this draft/trade period is to get a gun midf with our pick 14, so there is no way they will trade it for Jacobs.
Some guy on radio today said the following deal is almost done:
Jacobs to crows;
Griffen to Freo + crows bock pick;
Tarrant to Carlt + Freo 2nd rounder.

Not sure if it is true. Wait and see i guess.

No chance they're going to give up a second rounder to Griffen.

Amazing that you actually believe something on the radio when you claim to have sources. The Dockers will more than likely get Mitch Clark and an upgrade on Bradley. That will allow them to develop Zac Clarke in the WAFL. Griffen would then be superflous to Fremantle's needs.

They were positions where Carlton had more power. This time around, the other side has more power.

What power does Adelaide have?

Adelaide finished 11th, so there are a lot of teams between them and Jacobs in the PSD. They're not exactly holding a gun to Carlton's head. If they want Jacobs, they will have to do a fair deal for a 22 year old ruckman who is about to enter his prime. Jacobs would rather re-sign like JR and Thornton than screw the club over.

 

[Narcissus]

No, not true.

If Warnock went to the PSD we had zero chance of getting him. Freo refused to talk unless we gave up pick #6. They blinked

Weagles refused to trade unless we gave up pick #1, and were working with the Tiges who had PSD #1. They blinked.

In the Fev trade we had ZERO leverage, but (it's a long story), we managed to create a situation that forced Vossy to trade Fev, and somehow got 2 first round pick players out of a deal.

We're not about shafting your club though. Both the Freagles did OK, and Vossy just had himself to blame for what happened. He was out of his depth. I think you know pick 14 is fair, but we all know on BF the rules of the game are to always ask for more automatically, and then try to come up with a reason to justify it. lol. It's kinda pointless isn't it.

Anyway, I reckon the Tambling development tells us something.

can you tell me about the brock mclean trade?