Jacob's Request Trade

[Tanks_Alot]

TBH I was drunk when I posted that, and I apoligise.

That made me LMFAO

Again, Im sorry for questioning your weight problem.

LOL again, you say it as if it's a fact that she has a weight problem.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

what would be an amicable trade in most carlton supporters minds.

To answer this, have a read through some of the posts in this thread. Then GTFO, the Jacobs trade has nothing to do with you.

 

[XXX KINGS]

St Kilda held out and got nothing for Luke Ball and .......

Yet they still made this years Grand Final and I'm certain that if someone like Armitage requests a trade this year the other team will know that it's not going to get done unless they offer some sort of compensation. Collingwood tried to rape St Kilda in that trade and I applaud them for staying tough, Collingwood were lucky that the AFL turned their back to the obvious draft tampering that took place afterwards.

 

[XXX KINGS]

what would be an amicable trade in most carlton supporters minds.

Pick 14 + bock pick for jacobs + pick 18 is fair compensation.

He is worth pick 14 on its own though

 

[THE_GUN]

To answer this, have a read through some of the posts in this thread. Then GTFO, the Jacobs trade has nothing to do with you.

the question is about the amicable trade , so far its 14 or psd thats mentioned hardly amicable more an ultimatum.

whats gtfo mean , is that a new holden.

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

the question is about the amicable trade , so far its 14 or psd thats mentioned hardly amicable more an ultimatum.

whats gtfo mean , is that a new holden.

Yep. The new Holden Tiger GTFO. Packed with optional extras to make those

disappointing drives home from the MCG all the more bearable. SatNav included,

to make navigation from Punt Road to Hoddle street that much easier.

 

[Sin City]

Yep. The new Holden Tiger GTFO. Packed with optional extras to make those

disappointing drives home from the MCG all the more bearable. SatNav included,

to make navigation from Punt Road to Hoddle street that much easier.

Can you tear it in half when it stops working after the first week?

 

[KennyHunter9]

Yep. The new Holden Tiger GTFO. Packed with optional extras to make those

disappointing drives home from the MCG all the more bearable. SatNav included,

to make navigation from Punt Road to Hoddle street that much easier.

Comes in one colour - yella.

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

Can you tear it in half when it stops working after the first week?

No, but there will be a crusher in the MCG carpark for round 1 next year.

 

[Sin City]

No, but there will be a crusher in the MCG carpark for round 1 next year.

Agreed, he'll be waiting for them after the game

 

[Jabba73]

That depends on whether Jacobs would actually rather re-sign than head to the PSD. Unless you are Jacobs, you don't know that for sure. Somehow I doubt he'd be too worried about screwing the club over if you screw him over by refusing to accept a pick that was considered fair compensation for A-A CHB to send him to his club of choice.

If he would rather re-sign, then it's equal footing. If he'd rather head to the PSD, then Adelaide have two good options (get Jacobs or retain first rounder) and Carlton have one (get an early second rounder or get absolutely nothing).

I am going to type this very slowly so you can understand and stop posting the same crap over and over.

The Bock compensation pick is only considered fair compensation by the AFL. Everyone else without a vested interest in the decision being seen as fair, will probably agree that if Bock was on the trade table, that pick alone would not be sufficient to convince Adelaide to trade him to another club.

So in summary, stop saying that the compensation pick is fair value for Jacobs because that is what Bock was worth. It isn't and it isn't. Get it?

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

1. He outplayed an All-australian ruckman in an elimination final, if that doesn't prove he has what it takes then nothing will.

An injured All-Australian ruckman?

Big deal. Does that make every hack forward who has beaten Matthew Scarlett once worth pick 14?

What a silly comparison on so many levels.

2. & 3. We are not going to lose all respect and let go of a very good ruckman with a bright future for your 2nd rounder and Sellar. If the deal doesn't get done, we'll re-sign him.

What you don't get it he isn't worth pick 14. Potential only goes so far, performance gets high draft picks. 17 games is still an unknown.

Like the All-Australian ruckman you mentioned above, he'll go for a second-rounder. Fair, established compensation.

Sorry it's hard for you to understand.

 

[Silvagnis]

That depends on whether Jacobs would actually rather re-sign than head to the PSD. Unless you are Jacobs, you don't know that for sure. Somehow I doubt he'd be too worried about screwing the club over if you screw him over by refusing to accept a pick that was considered fair compensation for A-A CHB to send him to his club of choice.

If he would rather re-sign, then it's equal footing. If he'd rather head to the PSD, then Adelaide have two good options (get Jacobs or retain first rounder) and Carlton have one (get an early second rounder or get absolutely nothing).

We wouldn't screw over Jacobs.

Doubt that he would want to enter the PSD and use that against us after we developed him.

Even Thornton didn't do that.

Stop mentioning that the Crows second draft pick came for an AA player.

It's pick 28.

And nothing more.

This quote sums up trading if they've already bought Jacobs and are desperate for him because they can't find another ruck.

"It's a zero sum game, sport. Somebody wins and somebody loses. Money itself isn't lost or made, it's simply transferred from oneperception to another. Like magic. That painting cost $60,000 10 years ago. I could sell it today for $600,000. The illusion has become real. And the more real it becomes, the more desperately they want it. Capitalism at its finest." Gordon Gekko.

That worked for Voss with Fevola after he got caught up on the idea of having the Coleman Medallist...

It's either trade fairly for Jacobs or go after Blake and Hale. And they're not good tap ruckman like Jacobs. Or they can draft a ruck who will take four years to develop. I think the deal will be in our favour because we're still the party who is selling.

 

[michael69]

An injured All-Australian ruckman?

Big deal. Does that make every hack forward who has beaten Matthew Scarlett once worth pick 14?

What a silly comparison on so many levels.



What you don't get it he isn't worth pick 14. Potential only goes so far, performance gets high draft picks. 17 games is still an unknown.

Like the All-Australian ruckman you mentioned above, he'll go for a second-rounder. Fair, established compensation.

Sorry it's hard for you to understand.

Is that coming from someone who's 1st ruckman is Ivan Maric. I pity you.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

An injured All-Australian ruckman?

Big deal. Does that make every hack forward who has beaten Matthew Scarlett once worth pick 14?

What a silly comparison on so many levels.

He wasn't injured, Roos wouldn't have played him if he wasn't 100%. An elimination final is a fairly big stage to step up and he was clearly the dominant ruckman on the ground. If Mumford was so injured why wasn't Warnock shitting all over him too, he's even taller than jacobs?

What you don't get it he isn't worth pick 14. Potential only goes so far, performance gets high draft picks. 17 games is still an unknown.

Oh and pick 14 is a guarantee is it? ANY draft pick(including pick #1) is based on potential you idiot.

Like the All-Australian ruckman you mentioned above, he'll go for a second-rounder. Fair, established compensation.

Sorry it's hard for you to understand.

Well here we go again. Pick 14 this year is the equivalent to a pick around the mid 20's from previous years due to all the compensation GC got with the 17 year olds.

Sorry its so hard for you to understand that.

 

[parrot]

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What you don't get it he isn't worth pick 14. Potential only goes so far, performance gets high draft picks. 17 games is still an unknown.
.....

Well, Matt Rendell elected to specifically not rule out pick 14 today when he could have. He went on to say "..at the moment and they're being fair ..".

Interesting.

Do you have a way to spin those comments into alignment with your hopes?

 

[Silvagnis]

An injured All-Australian ruckman?

Big deal. Does that make every hack forward who has beaten Matthew Scarlett once worth pick 14?

What a silly comparison on so many levels.

What you don't get it he isn't worth pick 14. Potential only goes so far, performance gets high draft picks. 17 games is still an unknown.

Like the All-Australian ruckman you mentioned above, he'll go for a second-rounder. Fair, established compensation.

Sorry it's hard for you to understand.

The then 23 year old Darren Jolly was traded for pick 15 after he was selected in the rookie draft.

Were Jolly's stats and performances great at that stage in his career?

You're trading for a player who is just as likely to play 150 to 200 games as any of the players selected after pick 14 in this draft.

Your club knows this.

They wouldn't be interested if Jacobs was a hack.

Can you guarantee that we'll get a player of that quality with pick 28 or later?

I suspect we'll get picks 14 and 28 for pick 18 and Jacobs.

You can trade your second round pick for Tambling.

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

Is that coming from someone who's 1st ruckman is Ivan Maric. I pity you.

Uh...great response?

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

The then 23 year old Darren Jolly was traded for pick 15 after he was selected in the rookie draft.

Were Jolly's stats and performances great at that stage in his career?

You're trading for a player who is just as likely to play 150 to 200 games as any of the players selected after pick 14 in this draft.

Your club knows this.

They wouldn't be interested if Jacobs was a hack.

Can you guarantee that we'll get a player of that quality with pick 28 or later?

I suspect we'll get picks 14 and 28 for pick 18 and Jacobs.

You can trade your second round pick for Tambling.

More realistically, Mumford went for 28 and Hudson for 30-odd.

You suspect way too much, and you suspect wrong.

It's not that hard to be realistic. Both Mumford and Hudson are better than Jacobs, and got less.

And after 50 games for Melbourne - yes, Jolly was a known quantity.

Seriously, how ridiculous can you be?

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

Well, Matt Rendell elected to specifically not rule out pick 14 today when he could have. He went on to say "..at the moment and they're being fair ..".

Interesting.

Do you have a way to spin those comments into alignment with your hopes?

Carlton haven't publicly said anything about pick 14 - that's just innuendo. All they've said is they're going to play hardball.

Nice one - king of spin. Do you work in Rudd's office?

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

He wasn't injured, Roos wouldn't have played him if he wasn't 100%. An elimination final is a fairly big stage to step up and he was clearly the dominant ruckman on the ground. If Mumford was so injured why wasn't Warnock shitting all over him too, he's even taller than jacobs?

Yes, he was injured. That's fact.

Oh and pick 14 is a guarantee is it? ANY draft pick(including pick #1) is based on potential you idiot.

That's, unfortunately, not how trading works. Sorry mate. But, hey, just resort to words like "idiot" to make yourself feel better.

Well here we go again. Pick 14 this year is the equivalent to a pick around the mid 20's from previous years due to all the compensation GC got with the 17 year olds.

Sorry its so hard for you to understand that.

You can claim that all you want - doesn't make it so.

 

[michael69]

I suspect we'll get picks 14 and 28 for pick 18 and Jacobs.

Like this idea, but lets hope Swanny can get the straight swap done.

 

[parrot]

Carlton haven't publicly....

Swan has said pick 14 about 4 times, Icke has said pick 14 on at least 2 occasions, and even Ratten said it on 1 occasion.

Rendell had a chance to say no to pick 14 today, but didn't. And even said we were being fair.

Want another chance to spin Rendell's comments into alignment with your hopes?

 

[Tanks_Alot]

Yes, he was injured. That's fact.

So you're part of the Swans medical department and "in the know" about these things?

That's, unfortunately, not how trading works. Sorry mate. But, hey, just resort to words like "idiot" to make yourself feel better.

Yeah and you keep resorting to "that's, unfortunately, not how trading works". Yet we've seen Brisbane give up Hendo AND pick 12 for a PROVEN 100 goal a year player, Jolly go to Sydney for pick 15, T.Croad go to Freo for pick 1. If those picks were guaranteed stars why would clubs give them up when they would have 10 plus year careers for older guys?

ALL draft picks are based on potential and EVERY club has that in mind when dealing with them. Pick 14 is a bigger gamble for us than Jacobs is for you because Jacobs has PROVEN ability at AFL level and is only going to get better with more experience whereas pick 14 could turn out to be an injury prone or dud player.

You can claim that all you want - doesn't make it so.

It is a fact, GC have taken a lot of talent out of this draft and if those players were available, then the guys that are going to be drafted at pick 14, would be drafted later on because those other talented players would push them back to around the 20's somewhere.

 

[GoBlues!]

It is a fact, GC have taken a lot of talent out of this draft and if those players were available, then the guys that are going to be drafted at pick 14, would be drafted later on because those other talented players would push them back to around the 20's somewhere.

I think you need to draw him a diagram he has troubling understanding this concept.