Jacob's Request Trade

[Aphrodite]

I agree. I think we lost leverage when Jacobs declared Adelaide as his preferred destination. It would have been better if had both Port Adelaide and Adelaide fighting over Jacobs.

Somehow I don't think the threat of the PSD is that strong or would be used by Carlton as it would be a bigger loss for Carlton (to gain nothing and lose a player like Jacobs) and just a missed opportunity for Adelaide (who could look at other ruck options with their trade offer). There would only be one winner in this scenario WCE or Richmond or $uns.

Throwing Walker into the mix helps a bit but I still think Adelaide has the upper hand.

That is what I am afraid of as well.

Adelaide definitely has the upper hand as Jacobs is uncontracted.

 

[parrot]

There's no doubt the Crows have the upperhand with the Jacobs trade. But it's far from a hopeless situation, because of the PSD threat, and possible involvement of the Walker trade in which we do have the upper hand.

It's funny how things play out in trade week. Subtle changes in circumstances can change the power a side has in a negotiation.

Think about the Fev trade last year. We could not have been in a weaker position at the start of trade week. It was totally hopeless. But once Vossy stuffed up and got Bradshaw off-side, we all of a sudden gain a little leverage from no-where, and landed 2 first round pick players on the last day of trade week. Now I doubt the Crows have anyone as incompetent as Vossy, but the point is circumstances can change. Feeling quite confident we'll do well out of this.

 

[ESKIE]

Adelaide will have to play ball, otherwise it;s a no win for anyone...I'd say for it to be out in the open the deal is done..

Sellar apparently hs been to Carlton for a fitness test, so what;s he like?

 

[ESKIE]

adelaide's compo pick will be around pick 20-26 theres no way in the world you could let him go into the psd just to go up 6-10 places. you know that crowas know that & jacobs knows that. it will get done & its a fair result

He really is worth more that 20- 26...

Richmond the home of failure.

 

[GoBlues!]

There's no doubt the Crows have the upperhand with the Jacobs trade. But it's far from a hopeless situation, because of the PSD threat, and possible involvement of the Walker trade in which we do have the upper hand.

It's funny how things play out in trade week. Subtle changes in circumstances can change the power a side has in a negotiation.

Think about the Fev trade last year. We could not have been in a weaker position at the start of trade week. It was totally hopeless. But once Vossy stuffed up and got Bradshaw off-side, we all of a sudden gain a little leverage from no-where, and landed 2 first round pick players on the last day of trade week. Now I doubt the Crows have anyone as incompetent as Vossy, but the point is circumstances can change. Feeling quite confident we'll do well out of this.

As for the possible Walker trade giving us the upper hand I guess it really depends on how badly Adelaide want a versatile, super quick player, No. 2 draftee, who is about to reach his full potential (are you taking notes Swanny) to replace the gaping void left by Goodwin, Edwards and McCleod.

If it ends up being Sellar and/or late draft picks it won't be that great imo. I hope you're right and Swanny can get something worthwhile out of this trade.

 

[fireupboys]

Pretty sure the crows have pick 14 and that compensation pick for Bock at the end of the first round. Making a trade for a crows player isn't looking too flash considering the players we want are 'untouchables'.

What does everyone else think on what we could get for Sauce?

 

[Silvagnis]

Sellar is said to be a promising KPP, yet Walker the 100 gamer hasn't done a hell of a lot.

Sellar has played just two more games than Austin.

Carlton doesn't have to trade, so Adelaide aren't going to get Sauce for a third round selection and Sellar. We managed to keep both JR and Thornton when both were uncontracted at the end of 2006. Adelaide will need to put more on the table than pick 28 and Sellar. If Sellar was more than steak knives, Adelaide would be desperate to keep him. Ricky Henderson has gone past Sellar in two seasons. I doubt that Crows fans would give up Henderson for pick 28 alone if he wanted to join Carlton.

 

[gbatman]

not sure what we will get here, a shame he's picked 1 club as it's put the ball in their court. Now the competition to get him is not there and we might get stuff all.

A big strong midfielder and a tall defender, that's what we need, so can we get one?

 

[Schulzenfest]

That is only because Stevo wanted to go to Collingwood & Mark Williams would NOT deal with Collingwood, hence why he went into the PSD & we got him for nothing.

The Port/Collingwood/Stevens situation was a bit different. In that case the Clubs basically hated each other with a passion. Eddie and Williams were having a feud at the time, and the Pies negotiators just don't know how to negotiate.

It wasn't that Port refused to deal with Collingwood, it was that a) Stevens only told Port that he would only be traded to Collingwood the day before trade week ended (IIRC a deal with another Victorian club had nearly been worked out by that stage), and b) Collingwood offered up something ridiculous like Mark McGough or Heath Scotland (which would've been better than nothing in hindsight, but was a joke for what Scotland had shown at the time compared to what Stevens had shown). Because of that move, we managed to get Freo's 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounder for Josh Carr, and two first rounders for a 27-year old Shaun Burgoyne.

Obviously you're going to get less for Jacobs than you would hope, that's just an unavoidable fact of this situation. But if you get an offer of Mark McGough proportions, the long term benefits to Carlton of ignoring the offer could outweigh the short term benefits of losing Jacobs for nothing. I don't think Carlton should accept anything less than Adelaide's second rounder (you could ask for more and probably get it if he hadn't decided he wants out, but unfortunately for your mob he has).

 

[Mister Carlton]

One word that sums up this situation... Shit.

 

[FRUMPY]

We wont get a first round pick or a player who was a first round pick from the crows. At beast an early 2nd round pick.

Also, we dont have to trade with just adelaide. Fair chance we may bring in another club and have a three way deal for someone we want.

 

[Blue_4_Life]

We'd be better off exchanging first and second round picks and trying to get a third club involved i.e pick 14 for Brennan (if he doesn't end up at GC and cost us a packet)

 

[gbatman]

we might have to add a sweetner to get what we want.

 

[THE_GUN]

He really is worth more that 20- 26...

Richmond the home of failure.

is he better than warnock,if so tell him he will be the number 1 yuck at carlton for 10 years & trade warnock.

if not then why was the carlton board intent that warnock wasnt worth more than pick 24 i believe at the time ?

in these situations its better just to do the deal rather than worry about 5-6 possitions on the draft table. if it was between picks 1,2,3, and 9,10,11 it makes a diffrence but not when you get to 18-22

keep a good trade reputation with other clubs
keep the player satisfied
select well with the draft picks gained

everybody wins !

 

[The Flying Doormat]

That is only because Stevo wanted to go to Collingwood & Mark Williams would NOT deal with Collingwood, hence why he went into the PSD & we got him for nothing.

I'm not sure this is strictly correct Ahpro. IIRC, Choco wanted a suitable trade, in particular Didak. When the filth refused to put anything of substance on the table, Port chose to make a 'principled' stand letting Stevens go without suitable compensation; cutting off their nose as it were.

As for Sellar, he's a big unit with some potential but that's about it. Hasn't shown much in the past few seasons since being drafted. Port board has a dedicated thread mocking the poor sod.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=557331

 

[thylacine60]

Crikey, if you didn't know different you'd reckon the 2 Adelaide sides disliked each other. Is there a Sellars connecrion to Port other than unbridled garden variety hatred?

 

[twentydollarnote]

sellar has really only started to put it all together in the last year or so he would be a good get for you guys.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Crikey, if you didn't know different you'd reckon the 2 Adelaide sides disliked each other. Is there a Sellars connecrion to Port other than unbridled garden variety hatred?

Port were mocked in the Advertiser and on Bigfooty for taking Boak instead of Sellar. So we like to remind them wherever possible that in hindsight, we're just about OK with that call.

Plus Sellar's shit. If you trade anything more than a traffic cone for him, you got ripped off.

 

[parrot]

...Obviously you're going to get less for Jacobs than you would hope, that's just an unavoidable fact of this ....

Not quite. We have the PSD card up our sleaves, so we'll at least be able to force a low 20's type pick situation since the Crows have no hope of getting him via the PSD. There's a few twists and turns left to play out on this one. Having the best negotiator in the AFL on our side is a bonus as well.

 

[thylacine60]

Port were mocked in the Advertiser and on Bigfooty for taking Boak instead of Sellar. So we like to remind them wherever possible that in hindsight, we're just about OK with that call.

Plus Sellar's shit. If you trade anything more than a traffic cone for him, you got ripped off.

Cheers for that.

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

is he better than warnock,if so tell him he will be the number 1 yuck at carlton for 10 years & trade warnock.

nah you tell him

Think it will probably end up the Bock pick, maybe a pick swap.

 

[parrot]

is he better than warnock,if so tell him he will be the number 1 yuck at carlton for 10 years & trade warnock.

if not then why was the carlton board intent that warnock wasnt worth more than pick 24 i believe at the time ?

in these situations its better just ...

There's something just wrong about a Richmond supporter offering advice on how to go about trading. Do you really need me to tell you why?

 

[GoBlues!]

I'm not sure this is strictly correct Ahpro. IIRC, Choco wanted a suitable trade, in particular Didak. When the filth refused to put anything of substance on the table, Port chose to make a 'principled' stand letting Stevens go without suitable compensation; cutting off their nose as it were.

As for Sellar, he's a big unit with some potential but that's about it. Hasn't shown much in the past few seasons since being drafted. Port board has a dedicated thread mocking the poor sod.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=557331

Even allowing for the obvious hatred and rivalry between the clubs the Port supporters have a very low opinion of Sellar. Also the fact that he only played 4 senior games this year doesn't say a lot about his ability.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

sellar has really only started to put it all together in the last year or so he would be a good get for you guys.

Beg to differ, 2010 stats don't lie.

Sellar may turn out to be a good player, but this would be a speculative trade at best.

 

[Sin City]

Gee, who to listen to, an illiterate buffoon like THE_GUN or a guy with a great track record like Brizzy Blue?