Jacob's Request Trade

[Jabba73]

FMD we have hit the silly season and Parrot is making more sense than usual. I think I need a good lie down.

If Adelaide wish to hang onto pick 14 and rate Sellar so highly, time to consider offering something we can use. Davis would be a good start.

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

Hahahahahah.

Hahahahahahah.

Wow. Trying to get Davis in exchange for Jacobs. What a ****ing joke.

 

[parrot]

can you tell me about the brock mclean trade?

It was an outside trade week one initiated by the coach. That won't happen again. No negotiation. Would love to know the full story behind that one. Got the impression Swan and Icke wanted to take the trade into trade week, but it seemed like someone made a handshake deal beforehand. One stuffup, but Mclean still could be a huge asset once he's over his injuries.

Anyway, we made up for it with an unbelievable outcome for the Fev Trade i.e. 2 first round pick players from a hopeless situation. That was a masterstroke.

 

[SurfingTheVoid]

Pretty rich for you of all posters calling someone else an impostor.

Congratulations, the one poster you found who agrees with you is - behind you - the biggest dimwit to grace these boards in a long time.

Quit acting like you're better than anyone else here because you've wrecked any credibility you have and start providing proper thoughts and opinions without the slagging off of players and coaches otherwise you only have yourself to blame for the reactions you get.

Defensive abuse like these usually belies vulnerability. Sad.

 

[scomac]

Hahahahahah.

Hahahahahahah.

Wow. Trying to get Davis in exchange for Jacobs. What a ****ing joke.

Who the hell is Davis a superstar defender in a team that finished 14th.

 

[scomac]

Hahahahahah.

Hahahahahahah.

Wow. Trying to get Davis in exchange for Jacobs. What a ****ing joke.

Jacobs 13 games AVG 11 Disposals 5 marks 4 tackles 22 hit outs
Davis 15 games AVG 12 Disposals 3 marks 2 tackles

I Fail to see any relevence in your statement.

 

[Jabba73]

Hahahahahah.

Hahahahahahah.

Wow. Trying to get Davis in exchange for Jacobs. What a ****ing joke.

Defensive abuse like these usually belies vulnerability. Sad.

You were saying

 

[Jabba73]

Jacobs 13 games AVG 11 Disposals 5 marks 4 tackles 22 hit outs
Davis 15 games AVG 12 Disposals 3 marks 2 tackles

I Fail to see any relevence in your statement.

Thanks, beat me to it.

Davis is worth far more than Sam. Will not happen.

I did say it would be a start. Plenty of other options to go into the deal ie: picks, Walker, Grigg.

 

[Silvagnis]

Isn't pick 29 going to the Tiggers for Tambling?

 

[Silvagnis]

1) If you have seen all my posts then you would know that I'm not a Walker fan and am wrapped that they are trying to get rid of him.
Had I known that he would be in for Grigg in the elimination final I would not have flown up Sydney. IMO they should have played Thornton who had been in fantastic form for ages, is mostly cool under pressure and can take a contested mark. He also knows when to punch instead of always tryin to take mark of the year like selfish Walker. I've even backed up what why I think he's a dud by putting up stats RE Walker V Thornton and copped heaps of flack for that. Some Alice chick went beserk and told me that no one gives a F##K what I say!! I did not expect a response like that from anyone, I thought we all have players we don't like right?

Behind the scenes Walker was told he would not be getting alot of senior games next season, they are going to give guys like Lucas, White and Grigg pretty much permanant spots in the team so long as they continue to imorove on the form they showed before they were injured. He nominated Adelaide so thats why they are trying to trade him there. I hope they can do a deal with anyone, good riddance.


2) Im a huge Grigg fan and am FURIOUS that he is another player who wants to leave due to the unrest between some of the players and Ratten. I am not furious with Grigg, I'm shattered that he wants to leave. IMO he is developng into a great run and carry from defence player. He gets better with every game but like every player he can sometimes stuff up but he always tries to rectify it by going even harder at the ball. I'm FURIOUS at the reason these guys want out, some of you may think it's money but there is definately tension between some players and coach.

3) I'm not going to reveal my source that would be just plain stupid, i'm not going to betray them but let me say that i have permission to say FACT with certain things that are going on. I can only gain credibility with you guys if what i say comes to frutation right. I will say this about Ratten, i adored him as a player but like alot of Carlton supporters I do not think his coaching is as good as the club needs. The liar thing started when Fevola was sacked and he's continued to lie about other things throughout the season during some interviews, I cannot say specifics. Some of you have little sayings that automatically are there at the end of every post. Right now this is mine RATTENS A LIAR.

The Blues are going to get rid of Thornton because Ratten spat the dummy with him, this is not right. Now Grigg wants out which is going to leave an even bigger deficency in our back line, does it bother you? How many defenders are available from other clubs to fill these voids and will the club be able to scramble to get these deals done in time.
I will never reveal my source as I'd never get any more info.
I havent really had anyone on this sight come out and say that they definately know that I'm wrong and if there are people in the inner sanctum on this sight, then why havent they come out to even defend Ratten?

Mostly I have had SIN slag me off but he/she hasnt really offered anything to disprove what Im saying.
One more thing, i have noticed that the minute an anouncement gets made ie Simon Goodwin, McDonald, Laidely, etc some of you link them to our club the very next second. Almost every person available was supposed to be coming, whats with that? I have had oppinions who should be assistant coach and IMO it should be David Teague, he has helped develope the young players and knows them better than Ratten. He knows their stregnths and weaknesses etc and has a positive coaching style (not punitive like Ratten) and gets along with the players. What more can the club ask for?

Ive said that they should beg Mark Thompson to come over not as an adviser or assistant but as Senior coach. C'mon surely you have noticed that Ratten makes changes mainly during the breaks and has been out coached on games we should have won.The one that sticks out the most was the Hawthorn loss where their defenders ran off our small forwards (who of course followed them) leaving O'Halpin in the forward line with practically two defenders on him. He didnt stand a chance and he looked like he was completely incompetant. Previously the structure was working ok having O'halpin down there, he kicked a couple himself and the three small forwards would crumb. Ever since that game every other coach employed exactly the same tactic and Ratten did nothing but drop O'halpin. How many games did we lose after that? It took him ages to work it out and lets face it we won against richmond, melbourne, west coast to keep us just inside te 8. O'Halpin was punished for Rattens bad coaching that pisses me off. He's a player i have a soft spot for and at the start of the season we were all singing his praises, he was going to fill the Fev void and this was going to be the year that he finally made his mark.

We have a great team, they just didnt use our talent because of a punative coach who put his own ego before the team. We should have finished higher in the 8, (you all know it) and lost too many games that we were expected to win. Too many ins and out's most weeks which would make any team unsettled. Is there any one of you who remotely agree with even part of what Im saying?????

Your trolling is pathetic.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Wow methinks, just wow. This long post shows you do care which is great, but your posts and thinking are soo full of holes.

In the past most people have been ok with Thornton. But there is no doubt he started to struggle and sulk. There is also no doubt he started to get more competition and didn't deal well with this. Trying his hardest he is just AFL standard in a game that has got quicker. Anything less than his best now struggles...hard for him to deal with. If you're a Thornton fan. nps...what you could say is, "the club should give him another chance" . Most BF fans could deal with this given the hards yards he has put in over the years.

Maybe the club including Ratten are slightly responsible with Grigg. But Grigg plays a big part in this as well. He wants more money and has been playing hardball for a year. In the end he wants to go to Richmond for more money...nothing else...Richmond aren't making a run for a flag any time soon...so it is only money. They have the poorest development record bar none! Grigg has BIG issues with his kicking and decision making that are obv...if Ratten telling him to fix them has pissed him off...then there is nothing we can do about it...stop the conspiracy crap...it is crap!

Ratten is a learning coach for sure and has been shown up. He has also pulled off some blinding wins...can you remember those great wins when no one thought we could. He will evolve. The most that could be said here is that he could probably do with some very good people around him..better than we have currently got.

Mark Thompson IS an average coach who got brilliant players...beautifully illustrated this year when they were tactically SPANKED by the pies...for the last 5 years he has gone out and told his players to just play...that is it. Mark Thompson's greatest strength watching from afar is he is an absolute champion of a bloke..a real people person who you can trust. Even he admitted this year on TV that he tried to start using tactics early in the year for the first time and the player group didn't go for it. That proves beyond any doubt! MT's time has gone!

We dont have a great team...we have a great midfield and ruck division only. We have a developing fwd line and a very weak defence! Ratten helped Carlton finish just about where we should be!

Outlandish, extreme or even misinformed statements on Thornton, Grigg and Ratten are only bound to get you laughed off this site very quick.

Even if you do have a source, from what you said it might just be a rumour but not the truth...a bit like office politics...just because you heard it, doesn't mean its def true. Just too extreme to be true...things aren't that black and white in life!

Anyway, carry on if you must and will probably see you soon with another user name and lesson learnt!

 

[Sin City]

Defensive abuse like these usually belies vulnerability. Sad.

Have a look at your own posting. Nothing but a troll.

 

[Wallace]

Do you think Adelaide will give up pick 14 for the uncontracted Jacobs, when they know that if your club doesn't accept the Bock compo pick (which IMO is what you'll end up with, possibly with Sellar thrown in) you'll lose him for nothing. Yes or no?

Just to be clear, I'm not asking you what you think he's worth to Carlton. I'm asking you what you think Adelaide will be willing to give up for him. There's a difference.

Personally, I think it'll end up as a game of chicken. And I don't think Adelaide will crack, because Carlton have more to lose. For Adelaide, it's the difference between getting Jacobs and having a first rounder. Both are good options. For Carlton, it's the difference between having an early second rounder and absolutely nothing. One is a good option, one isn't. Swann and Icke might be the best negotiators in the world, but the facts are they're in a disadvantaged position.

Best post of the entire thread. Sums up the situation perfectly. Adelaide will not trade their first round pick for Jacobs. Likely wont trade bock compo pick either. Best Carlton will get is Adelaide's current second round pick.

Adelaide are also happy to keep sellar as he has long term potential to be an average to good KPD and truck is getting on.

As a result of the above Adelaide will not get Tambling or Walker. All else is smoke and mirrors.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

Hahahahahah.

Hahahahahahah.

Wow. Trying to get Davis in exchange for Jacobs. What a ****ing joke.

The only joke around here is you. We get pick 14 or you don't get Jacobs. Simple as that. You can't just get quality for nothing, you're gonna have to give up quality too. So you've laughed off ANY POTENTIALLY quality KPD on your list and a POTENTIALLY QUALITY draft pick as a possible trade for a PROVEN AFL QUALITY ruckman. So what exactly do you think is fair then? The Bock pick is FAR too late in this year's draft and it will be in next year's draft as well. Your second rounder - even worse. Sellar? Don't even go there.

Now I don't know how contract negotiations work exactly but if a deal isn't done with you guys, I'm sure Sammy would want to stay with us rather than joining Richmond and we could work out a new deal after trade week.

If we can't do it like that, then I'd rather see him off to Richmond for nothing and you guys can continue to struggle in the ruck department.

 

[Sekaj]

We get pick 14 or you don't get Jacobs.

Wanna bet?

You can't just get quality for nothing, you're gonna have to give up quality too.

In the case of Walker, sure, because he's contracted. Jacobs is not under contract.

If we can't do it like that, then I'd rather see him off to Richmond for nothing and you guys can continue to struggle in the ruck department.

What kind of attitude is that? Do you think your club is as unprofessional and immature as Port Power as to want to lose a player for nothing purely for vindictive and spiteful reasons?

 

[Schulzenfest]

No, not true.

If Warnock went to the PSD we had zero chance of getting him. Freo refused to talk unless we gave up pick #6. They blinked

And if Jacobs goes to the PSD Adelaide has zero chance of getting him. Carlton will apparently refuse to talk unless Adelaide give up pick #14. What makes you think they won't blink?

Weagles refused to trade unless we gave up pick #1, and were working with the Tiges who had PSD #1. They blinked.

What's this? Another case of a club demanding a certain pick for a player who wants out and then settling for less. You're proving my point with these examples, not yours.

In the Fev trade we had ZERO leverage, but (it's a long story), we managed to create a situation that forced Vossy to trade Fev, and somehow got 2 first round pick players out of a deal.

Well, yeah. But Vossy's an idiot.

 

[Schulzenfest]

What power does Adelaide have?

Adelaide finished 11th, so there are a lot of teams between them and Jacobs in the PSD. They're not exactly holding a gun to Carlton's head. If they want Jacobs, they will have to do a fair deal for a 22 year old ruckman who is about to enter his prime. Jacobs would rather re-sign like JR and Thornton than screw the club over.

That depends on whether Jacobs would actually rather re-sign than head to the PSD. Unless you are Jacobs, you don't know that for sure. Somehow I doubt he'd be too worried about screwing the club over if you screw him over by refusing to accept a pick that was considered fair compensation for A-A CHB to send him to his club of choice.

If he would rather re-sign, then it's equal footing. If he'd rather head to the PSD, then Adelaide have two good options (get Jacobs or retain first rounder) and Carlton have one (get an early second rounder or get absolutely nothing).

 

[parrot]

Seems the only way the Crows can avoid giving up pick 14, is if they include an "untouchable". I remember at the start of trade week last year Hendo was an "untouchable". So a lot can change. Otherwise it'll probably end up pick 14 and some face-saving swaps.

We're going to do very well out of this, whatever happens.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Seems the only way the Crows can avoid giving up pick 14, is if they include an "untouchable". I remember at the start of trade week last year Hendo was an "untouchable". So a lot can change. Otherwise it'll probably end up pick 14 and some face-saving swaps.

You can see the massive hypocrisy in this post, right?

We're going to do very well out of this, whatever happens.

Sending him to the PSD, which you've suggested as an option, is 'doing very well'?

 

[parrot]

You can see the ....

Aren't you a Port Supporter? So ....why are you getting yourself so worked-up over this trade that has nothing to do with you?

Just curious.

 

[zeeCFC]

we just have to wait now....no point in post whoring about an issue over and over again

 

[Schulzenfest]

Aren't you a Port Supporter? So ....why are you getting yourself so worked-up over this trade that has nothing to do with you?

Just curious.

Why are you asking the same question that's already been answered, again?

Oh, and it's because I like exposing hypocrites and illogical arguments.

 

[parrot]

Why are you asking the same question that's...

The point is you haven't answered it.

So again, why is a trade that doesn't involve your club getting you so worked up?

 

[Schulzenfest]

Because I like exposing hypocrites and illogical arguments.

Any further questions?

 

[Sublime]