Free Agency Jade Gresham [Joins Essendon as RFA]

[boncer34]

150K + all the delistings etc. that old mate left out.
Then end of 2024 we get back a good amount as Shiel's contract ends.

You basically made my point.

This whole "save 200k, save x amount of cap, save small children from burning buildings" by getting rid of Shiel only helps next year. And even with the most extreme outlays of cash for McKay, Gresham and the boot studders we're still under the cap.

 

[boncer34]

Essendon approached St Kilda.

So clearly they see value in us taking Shiel

Says who?

 

[stavro#4]

I can’t wait for Eumund to change his mind like he always does and the subsequent “he is full of s**t” comments to follow.

Ralph’s reporting the same thing and neither is referencing the other.

 

[boncer34]

Ralph’s reporting the same thing and neither is referencing the other.

You believe the media now?

 

[stavro#4]

Says who?

Says the Herald Sun earlier this week

Saints on the hunt for another tall​

St Kilda is looking for another ruck-forward as it carefully sorts through how a Jade Gresham-Dylan Shiel trade-free agency switcheroo would work.

St Kilda hasn’t driven that proposal, under which Gresham would get to Essendon as a free agent and Shiel arrived at the Saints as a trade.

So it is assessing whether it could even get up under AFL rules and how strongly it would want Shiel, who turns 31 in March.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/af3c89f425868c27dc5a247d1b49afd3

 

[boncer34]

Says the Herald Sun earlier this week

Saints on the hunt for another tall​

St Kilda is looking for another ruck-forward as it carefully sorts through how a Jade Gresham-Dylan Shiel trade-free agency switcheroo would work.

St Kilda hasn’t driven that proposal, under which Gresham would get to Essendon as a free agent and Shiel arrived at the Saints as a trade.

So it is assessing whether it could even get up under AFL rules and how strongly it would want Shiel, who turns 31 in March.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/af3c89f425868c27dc5a247d1b49afd3

Which brings me back to

You believe the media now?

 

[Call Me Cake]

St Kilda receive:

• Shiel
• Pick 27
• Future 2nd

Essendon receive:

• Gresham
• Pick 13

Reckon this will satisfy all parties.

 

[stavro#4]

St Kilda receive:

• Shiel
• Pick 27
• Future 2nd

Essendon receive:

• Gresham
• Pick 13

Reckon this will satisfy all parties.

Would you accept 2 second round picks for pick 13?

 

[Call Me Cake]

Would you accept 2 second round picks for pick 13?

We're also overpaying Gresham and you're gaining Shiel.

St Kilda come out well from this more than they would if Gresham had just gone for a 3rd.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

You do realise that the argument you bomber supporters are making is:

Ralph is full of s**t
Edmund is full of s**t
Media is full of s**t

Us big footy injectors know best

Your board, just this week, before the updated article came out, said that Ralph was full of shit and was a notorious Essendon lover, despite the fact he is a Richmond supporter.

 

[stavro#4]

We're also overpaying Gresham and you're gaining Shiel.

St Kilda come out well from this more than they would if Gresham had just gone for a 3rd.

You get the best player and the best pick in this exchange.

So no it doesn’t work

 

[Duckworth]

[emoji23]

You do realise that the argument you bomber supporters are making is:

Ralph is full of s**t
Edmund is full of s**t
Media is full of s**t

Us big footy injectors know best [emoji23]

You kind of missed the point, and are also now back to being insulting.

 

[stavro#4]

Your board, just this week, before the updated article came out, said that Ralph was full of s**t and was a notorious Essendon lover, despite the fact he is a Richmond supporter.

Our boards issue was that Ralph’s initial article was reporting the same scenario as he is right now.

He then changed his tune when he started asking Essendon supporters about what would be fair for Dylan Shiel.

 

[jdstorm]

You get the best player and the best pick in this exchange.

So no it doesn’t work

We also pay 1.5M dollars. While saints pay $not much

As has been said before. That’s what the money is for

 

[stavro#4]

You kind of missed the point, and are also now back to being insulting.

How am I being insulting?

 

[stavro#4]

We also pay 1.5M dollars. While saints pay $not much

As has been said before. That’s what the money is for

We can afford Shiel.

There has been nothing written saying we can’t. It’s something that’s developed here that you all believe you will pay the majority of his deal

 

[Lore]

You do realise that the argument you bomber supporters are making is:

Ralph is full of s**t
Edmund is full of s**t
Media is full of s**t

Us big footy injectors know best

Ralph's info is good. When he tries to fill in the gaps with opinions, not so much. And his info is only as good as his source – rival list managers will know a lot, but they don't know the exact salary cap positions of their opponents.

As for Edmund, I'm sure he is quoting what a rival list manager said, but he doesn't tell us what he asked to get that response. Like did he ask "is it going to be a straight swap Shiel for 13 with St Kilda paying Shiel's entire salary?" "I'd be absolutely floored if that happened" – well that's a reasonable response, isn't it, considering it is ludicrous even at face value.

 

[stavro#4]

Ralph's info is good. When he tries to fill in the gaps with opinions, not so much. And his info is only as good as his source – rival list managers will know a lot, but they don't know the exact salary cap positions of their opponents.

As for Edmund, I'm sure he is quoting what a rival list manager said, but he doesn't tell us what he asked to get that response. Like did he ask "is it going to be a straight swap Shiel for 13 with St Kilda paying Shiel's entire salary?" "I'd be absolutely floored if that happened" – well that's a reasonable response, isn't it, considering it is ludicrous even at face value.

Yes. His article earlier this week said that no one knows the full deal.

List managers at rival clubs only know part.


However what is understood as of last night is that Gresham to you blokes Shiel to us and a later pick for him and we keep the first round compo

 

[Duckworth]

Essendon approached St Kilda.

So clearly they see value in us taking Shiel

That is a massive assumption, so clearly not. Shiels manager likely approached St Kilda first.

Also don’t be silly, you know the insulting comment you made. It has been warned against.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

Our boards issue was that Ralph’s initial article was reporting the same scenario as he is right now.

He then changed his tune when he started asking Essendon supporters about what would be fair for Dylan Shiel.

So what you’re saying, when it was something you agreed with, he was no longer full of shit?

 

[jdstorm]

We can afford Shiel.

There has been nothing written saying we can’t. It’s something that’s developed here that you all believe you will pay the majority of his deal

Gresham will be making 750k x3 years which is 2.25M and about 1M of that will be an overpay.

Plus just because you can afford Sheil doesn’t mean you wouldn’t be better off using that money in another way.

In fact you would 100% be better off using that money in another way. The whole point of Essendon paying some of Sheils salary is that you can use that money to get players that fit your list profile that suit you.

It’s not a salary dump for either team so Sheil would be traded at neutral value which means Essendon would be kicking in a few $$$

 

[Beerfish]

This thread is pretty funny.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

It’s very telling and disappointing that a lot of St Kilda supporters on here have resorted to name calling and using abusive language.

 

[Jackie_Moon]

This thread is pretty funny.

And the joke on us cause we get fking Greshit

 

[botts]

And the joke on us cause we get fking Greshit

Can’t be worse than getting shiels