Confirmed Jaeger O'Meara [traded to Hawthorn for pick 10 and GWS's 2017 2nd rd pick]

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What is "culture". How does one define such an arbitrary term? How does one create it? Seems unless you have a healthy dose of success and a bright path ahead, you have **** all chance of convincing players that there is a future at that club regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem or which coach is giving the rev ups. Letting one of your star players walk for a deal that's obviously unders does nothing except reinforce the status as a minnow club that's there to train players for the Victorian teams. I can't see pick 10 being a great boost to the Suns "culture".

The second problem is that GC is in Queensland, where few AFL players want to live. Moving from Melbourne to the GC is quite difficult when you have a family and friends, as you might understand. Usually when teams bottom out, they go straight back up in a few seasons. The QLD teams aren't doing that because their young talent keeps departing for unders, preventing the club from advancing. So clearly something has to change.


And a steady stream of academy picks to replenish departing talent that can handily be farmed for more top draft picks. Until the GC academy starts pumping out the numbers enjoyed by GWS, it's hard to see them getting to that level. But then again, GC isn't blessed to have an academy close enough to Victoria to benefit from everyone playing AFL and good proximity to the TAC cup either.
Bullshit. Culture was letting Sammy M and Lewis going for SFA because it was in their interests event though we got shit picks. Its about being interested in people long terms and investing in them.
 

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So pick 10 is ok though?

At what number between 5 and 10 does he move from being a broken knee degenerate too a great pick up player?
We have given him a medical and believe (rightly or wrongly) that we can manage the issue. My point is which other team that haven't even had the opportunity for their medical team to assess the knee will take a punt on him with a pick in the top 10? If you can't follow that then I can't help you
 

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this might be completely ignorant or someone else may have raised it ...

But if O'Meara goes into the National Draft, and Gold Coast call his name at pick 8 ... would he automatically have to go onto a 1st round draftee 2 year contract with Gold Coast?
 

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What is "culture". How does one define such an arbitrary term? How does one create it? Seems unless you have a healthy dose of success and a bright path ahead, you have **** all chance of convincing players that there is a future at that club regardless of how much money is thrown at the problem or which coach is giving the rev ups. Letting one of your star players walk for a deal that's obviously unders does nothing except reinforce the status as a minnow club that's there to train players for the Victorian teams. I can't see pick 10 being a great boost to the Suns "culture".

The second problem is that GC is in Queensland, where few AFL players want to live. Moving from Melbourne to the GC is quite difficult when you have a family and friends, as you might understand. Usually when teams bottom out, they go straight back up in a few seasons. The QLD teams aren't doing that because their young talent keeps departing for unders, preventing the club from advancing. So clearly something has to change.


And a steady stream of academy picks to replenish departing talent that can handily be farmed for more top draft picks. Until the GC academy starts pumping out the numbers enjoyed by GWS, it's hard to see them getting to that level. But then again, GC isn't blessed to have an academy close enough to Victoria to benefit from everyone playing AFL and good proximity to the TAC cup either.
You want to marry the Gold Coast Suns
 
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3 way trade idea.
Suns out: O'Meara,
In: pick 10, Lyons, 2017 2nd
Hawks out: pick 10, 1 of Sheils, Burton or Smith
In: O'Meara
Crows out: Lyons, 2017 2nd
In: 1 of shiels, Burton or Smith

Option for hawthorn if not Lyons for pick 26 without Hawks involved.
I wouldn't trade shiels or smith by themselves for omeara let alone with pick 10, 10 and 48 is a lot fairer than people realise treloar went for two first rounders and omeara would have got the same but hasn't played in two years his valuation is somewhere near Prestia's value, and they got one first rounder and gave a second rounder back.
 

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I know they have had better concessions but sorry mate there is no way this is the only reason they are kicking your ass. Compare your team with the other 17 teams re picks - you should be super awesome by now.
O'Meara injured, Swallow injured, Bennell on drugs, Gaz injured, Prestia injured...... If those five were playing (full seasons) this year, Suns would have run Melbourne and St. Kilda very close.
 

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I wouldn't trade shiels or smith by themselves for omeara let alone with pick 10, 10 and 48 is a lot fairer than people realise treloar went for two first rounders and omeara would have got the same but hasn't played in two years his valuation is somewhere near Prestia's value, and they got one first rounder and gave a second rounder back.
I would tend to agree
 

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Bullshit. Culture was letting Sammy M and Lewis going for SFA because it was in their interests event though we got shit picks. Its about being interested in people long terms and investing in them.
I'm curious, has any club stopped a player from retiring before? They asked to leave and were traded because they were told they no longer had a future at the club past 2017; if that's culture then every club has culture.

Anyway I'm confused by this because you guys made it out that it was all a plan to clear cap space but now it's actually just out of the goodness of your hearts? No don't answer, I don't want to get into that discussion.
 

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this might be completely ignorant or someone else may have raised it ...

But if O'Meara goes into the National Draft, and Gold Coast call his name at pick 8 ... would he automatically have to go onto a 1st round draftee 2 year contract with Gold Coast?
No he can put a price on his head as he has been in the system.
 

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Can't believe your club is collapsing before everyone's eyes, it's the Richmond effect via a Vickery injection, signed him and everything has turned to shit
 

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Which Hawks fans here will spontaneously combust at 2pm tomorrow if the trade doesn't go through? Be honest...
Don't care either way

We get him without selling the farm......great
We get him at pick 10 in the ND......even better
Someone else nabs him......we use pick 10 on a young player and keep cap space for FA next year.
And we can use 2018 future first rounder to nab a Shiel from GWS
 

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I wouldn't trade shiels or smith by themselves for omeara let alone with pick 10, 10 and 48 is a lot fairer than people realise treloar went for two first rounders and omeara would have got the same but hasn't played in two years his valuation is somewhere near Prestia's value, and they got one first rounder and gave a second rounder back.
A bloke often spoken about as the next Chris Judd, probably warrants 2 picks in the top 20, or a Top 10 pick and a top 22 player.

Swap 10 and a player to the Blues for 5. Surely one of these blokes who doesn't want to go to the GC would happily stay in Melbourne?
 
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