Jaeger O'Meara whats he worth?

[YearOfTheCotch10]

I guess there has been a lot of speculation surrounding this kid and where he will end up with many teams rumoured as being interested. Being a Richmond supporter I have heard we may be in pursuit and hope like hell we go after him hard. Would Foley by himself be enough or would he need to be packaged with a draft pick or another player even? Just wondering what you guys think it would take to get a trade across the line?

 

[GiantForce]

I guess there has been a lot of speculation surrounding this kid and where he will end up with many teams rumoured as being interested. Being a Richmond supporter I have heard we may be in pursuit and hope like hell we go after him hard. Would Foley by himself be enough or would he need to be packaged with a draft pick or another player even? Just wondering what you guys think it would take to get a trade across the line?

Jag would be be Pick #1 in 2012 (aka a Superdraft). Your getting this kid for an extra 12 months. Imagine what he can do with that years training/reserves under his belt!

It is going to take ALOT to get him. Foley + 1st Round Draft Pick for the 1st selection in the Mini Draft (aka Jag O'Meara) probaley wouldn't be enough IMO. Clubs will create one big arse bidding war for this kid

 

[Gazza_11]

Then again Luke McPharlin and Trent Croad were once exchanged for Pick 1 in another superdraft (as well as picks 20 and 36).

Ideas tossed up on our board have been players such as Jones, Bennell, Bate, Wonna, Dunn, Maric, Strauss, Morton etc as well as picks (perhaps compensation picks) for a pick in the mini draft. Thoughts? Those names probably won't get it done tbh, but maybe others?

 

[JR SWALLOW]

What happens if clubs wont give up what GWS are asking the crows being the first to back down if every club does that do they keep the picks because all clubs could just offer up crap and they would have to choose the best deal from a list of fringe offerings?

 

[GiantForce]

What happens if clubs wont give up what GWS are asking the crows being the first to back down if every club does that do they keep the picks because all clubs could just offer up crap and they would have to choose the best deal from a list of fringe offerings?

We will take the best offer that comes around, simple. The players must be traded.

However it will create a bidding war. If all the clubs decide to offer crap (Which wont happen), one club will offer a slightly not as crap deal, then another club will offer a deal better than that and it will start of a chain reaction.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

No they don't have to be traded it just means that we will have 4 possible pick to trade next year instead of spliting them over two year. Also if we don't get a deal done for O'Meara then it is highly likely that we will be able to get him in the draft next year ourself. So it will have to be a good deal to get him in the mini draft.

Or as was previously reported:

Giants coach Kevin Sheedy told The West Australian GWS would only part with these four concession picks for superstars with plenty of time left in the game.
AFL talent manager Kevin Sheehan also predicted clubs would have to trade a "quality player" and possibly an early draft pick to get their hands on these selections

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/117451/default.aspx

 

[dlanod]

What happens if clubs wont give up what GWS are asking the crows being the first to back down if every club does that do they keep the picks because all clubs could just offer up crap and they would have to choose the best deal from a list of fringe offerings?

Crows haven't really backed out. They can still bid on the picks and probably pick Kennedy, because I'm sure some other club would have nominated him.

To be honest, asking on the GWS board wouldn't be the best idea for a fair idea. The Drafts and Trading board would give better estimates. However Emma Quayle was saying pick 4 would definitely get the GC the first pick, and that they were thinking about it, so you'd have to have something comparable to that.

 

[GiantForce]

No they don't have to be traded it just means that we will have 4 possible pick to trade next year instead of spliting them over two year. Also if we don't get a deal done for O'Meara then it is highly likely that we will be able to get him in the draft next year ourself. So it will have to be a good deal to get him in the mini draft.

Or as was previously reported:


http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/117451/default.aspx

Thats what I meant. I coulda re-worded my post better - They have to be traded over the 2 years. We cant keep them.

 

[GiantForce]

Crows haven't really backed out. They can still bid on the picks and probably pick Kennedy, because I'm sure some other club would have nominated him.

To be honest, asking on the GWS board wouldn't be the best idea for a fair idea. The Drafts and Trading board would give better estimates. However Emma Quayle was saying pick 4 would definitely get the GC the first pick, and that they were thinking about it, so you'd have to have something comparable to that.

Whats Emma's thinking behind that? Selection #1 in the Mini Draft will be Jag. Without this mini draft he'll go #1 in the 2012 superdraft (At worst #2 behind Lachie Whitfield).

So how on earth will Pick #4 in a draft with a normal amount of talent (and a draft where we already have a truck load of high picks) get GC a player 12 months early (Imagine the training development they can get into him!) who will go #1 in a superdraft?

 

[Gazza_11]

The top end talent in 2011 is just as good as 2012. And you'll be getting a player one year earlier, so that means a year more of development and game time so he'll start performing earlier. Plus you might not even finish last in 2012, or Brisbane, Port and the Gold Coast could snare a priority pick before the first round.

 

[free at last]

Jag would be be Pick #1 in 2012 (aka a Superdraft). Your getting this kid for an extra 12 months. Imagine what he can do with that years training/reserves under his belt!

It is going to take ALOT to get him. Foley + 1st Round Draft Pick for the 1st selection in the Mini Draft (aka Jag O'Meara) probaley wouldn't be enough IMO. Clubs will create one big arse bidding war for this kid

Darling would've gone top 3 in 2009.
Fast forward a year and Darling slips to pick 26.
A year in football is a lifetime.Just look at west coast from this year to last year.

 

[GiantForce]

The top end talent in 2011 is just as good as 2012. And you'll be getting a player one year earlier, so that means a year more of development and game time so he'll start performing earlier. Plus you might not even finish last in 2012, or Brisbane, Port and the Gold Coast could snare a priority pick before the first round.

Pre First Round Priority Picks dont come back til 2013 I believe (Or is it 2012?)
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Darling only dropped because a few off field incidents tho. That's different

 

[dlanod]

The top end talent in 2011 is just as good as 2012. And you'll be getting a player one year earlier, so that means a year more of development and game time so he'll start performing earlier. Plus you might not even finish last in 2012, or Brisbane, Port and the Gold Coast could snare a priority pick before the first round.

I think Gazza pretty much nailed it. The question isn't so much what he's worth, but what are we offered. If other clubs go nuts and start a bidding war, brilliant. But pick 4 seems to be the baseline at the moment. I don't think what other clubs offer is going to jump between this year and the next so it probably won't be holding on to picks between this round and the next.

Pre First Round Priority Picks dont come back til 2013 I believe (Or is it 2012?)

Pretty sure it's 2012. Basically once GC and us are done molesting the draft.

Darling only dropped because a few off field incidents tho. That's different

Rich dropped from a #1 pick to #7 over the course of a year as other players developed. It's pretty rare for the top three expected picks a year out to end up being the top three in the actual draft.

 

[GiantForce]

I think Gazza pretty much nailed it. The question isn't so much what he's worth, but what are we offered. If other clubs go nuts and start a bidding war, brilliant. But pick 4 seems to be the baseline at the moment. I don't think what other clubs offer is going to jump between this year and the next so it probably won't be holding on to picks between this round and the next.



Pretty sure it's 2012. Basically once GC and us are done molesting the draft.



Rich dropped from a #1 pick to #7 over the course of a year as other players developed. It's pretty rare for the top three expected picks a year out to end up being the top three in the actual draft.

Rich was looking like top 3...not #1......and his form the next he warranted a top 3 or even #1 selection. As has Darling this year

 

[captainMyCaptain]

This article highlights that we will only take quality players and that if we dont get a deal that we are happy with this year then we will bank the pick until next year.:

We just tried to get a feel from them [GWS] as to what the sort of thing they would be looking for," Harper told FIVEaa.

"We didn't get to names. [Recruiting manager] Matthew Rendell was more so talking about, 'would you be interested in bottom-end players on our list? Or would it have to be the top players?

"They indicated they'd only be interested in talking about your top four or five players on the list.

"In relation to what type of player we would want for those 17-year-old picks, at the minute until we really sit down and know what uncontracted players we've got through and how many of the pre-listed players or previously-nominated players are mature-age bodies, we're really dealing with fresh air.

"We really haven't discussed anything in relation to players or picks or anything with any clubs."

Last month, GWS coach Kevin Sheedy said the club would only part with the concession picks for "superstars" with plenty of time left in the game.

If the Giants aren't satisfied with the bids they receive this year, they have the option of hanging onto some or all of the concession selections and trading them away next year.

It's been suggested the club could retain two or more of the selections and then exchange them for picks next year to bolster its position in what's been dubbed a 'super draft'.

"At this stage, we're in the situation where we're waiting to see which kids nominate by the 1st of August," Silvagni said.

"We've got the ability to do two this year and two next year, or one this year and three next year.

"Maybe, we'll leave all four until next year, or do all four this year. We don't know yet."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/118593/default.aspx

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Whats Emma's thinking behind that? Selection #1 in the Mini Draft will be Jag. Without this mini draft he'll go #1 in the 2012 superdraft (At worst #2 behind Lachie Whitfield).

So how on earth will Pick #4 in a draft with a normal amount of talent (and a draft where we already have a truck load of high picks) get GC a player 12 months early (Imagine the training development they can get into him!) who will go #1 in a superdraft?

I think because Emma is so focused on the kids in the draft that she doesnt see the value that a ready made player would have especially given how many top kids we alreay have, and that we add to in this draft.

I am very much of the view that a quality player and a compensation pick would get the deal done, especially if that player is kpp.

 

[free at last]

Pre First Round Priority Picks dont come back til 2013 I believe (Or is it 2012?)
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Darling only dropped because a few off field incidents tho. That's different

Makes a few clubs look stupid now though!
These kids are only human after all.Some of the recruiters should get their heads out of their a***.

 

[calyam]

Whats Emma's thinking behind that? Selection #1 in the Mini Draft will be Jag. Without this mini draft he'll go #1 in the 2012 superdraft (At worst #2 behind Lachie Whitfield).

So how on earth will Pick #4 in a draft with a normal amount of talent (and a draft where we already have a truck load of high picks) get GC a player 12 months early (Imagine the training development they can get into him!) who will go #1 in a superdraft?

Yeah I don't think the logic follows either. You're basically trade a very good player, for a player who probably won't be as good as him in 2013. These picks are surely designed to get GWS players who can deliver now, players who will be better than the likes of O'Meara in 2013, 2014 and 2015.

If pick 4 is the best they can receive for him they might as well take their chances in the draft the next year.

 

[Gazza_11]

If there's any chance of him coming to us, hopefully the club makes it happen.

Imagine a 2015 midfield of Scully, Trengove, Viney, McKenzie, Gysberts and O'Meara. Chuck in Morton, Sylvia, Moloney, etc. Far out, we'd be invincible

 

[captainMyCaptain]

If there's any chance of him coming to us, hopefully the club makes it happen.

Imagine a 2015 midfield of Scully, Trengove, Viney, McKenzie, Gysberts and O'Meara. Chuck in Morton, Sylvia, Moloney, etc. Far out, we'd be invincible

Will come 2015 Scully will be leading GWS to our first flag, but as far as getting O'Meara you would need to give up the likes of Trengove, Grimes and Moloney - so if melb does that then you could end up with O'Meara.

 

[Gee Dubya]

I guess there has been a lot of speculation surrounding this kid and where he will end up with many teams rumoured as being interested. Being a Richmond supporter I have heard we may be in pursuit and hope like hell we go after him hard. Would Foley by himself be enough or would he need to be packaged with a draft pick or another player even? Just wondering what you guys think it would take to get a trade across the line?

Foley could tempt GWS.

How old is he?

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Foley could tempt GWS.

How old is he?

The only concern with foley is the injury issues he has had in the past, if it wasnt for that going after him would make alot of sense.

 

[divvydan]

How would GWS consider a first round compensation pick?

Pick would be the one taken after your pick for your finishing position on the ladder.

If you were to finish last in 2012, in theory this could end up being pick #2 in that draft.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

How would GWS consider a first round compensation pick?

Pick would be the one taken after your pick for your finishing position on the ladder.

If you were to finish last in 2012, in theory this could end up being pick #2 in that draft.

I think a compensation pick plus a player would do the deal.

but the compensation pick you mentioned would already put you ahead of gold coast pick 4 in this draft for mine.

 

[YearOfTheCotch10]

Foley could tempt GWS.

How old is he?

he will be 26 at the start of next season. Has probably exceeded peoples expectations and come back and played some seriously good footy coming off no pre season, i think he's averaging around 22 touches this season. Would hate to see him go as he is a real leader at the club and next season with a preseason under his belt he could get back to his pre-injured best, remember he was selected in the Victorian side a few years back. But i think a trade may just work out well for both clubs, you get a hard working, leader that really exemplifies everything about the western suburbs of sydney and we get a polished youngster that could go in tandem with cotchin, conca and martin to create one of the most promising midfields in the competition. Doubt the club will be willing to let him go, but youve got to give something good to get something good.