Jaeger O'Meara whats he worth?

[Jordie_tackles]

Doubt it, Gubby wants top 5 players from clubs.... Gubby is dreaming, Trengove yeah trade a pick 2 with 2 years of investment for first pick in a 4 pick draft????

Both parties need to be realistic, GWS only get benifit out of this if they accept trades so clubs wont offer their top talent

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Don't GWS have to trade 4x 17 year olds?

Or is my understanding incorrect?

 

[divvydan]

Don't GWS have to trade 4x 17 year olds?

Or is my understanding incorrect?

They can trade up to 4 17yo's over the two years. Obviously they have no access to the players themselves but there's no compulsion on them actually trading.

 

[calyam]

Doubt it, Gubby wants top 5 players from clubs.... Gubby is dreaming, Trengove yeah trade a pick 2 with 2 years of investment for first pick in a 4 pick draft????

Both parties need to be realistic, GWS only get benifit out of this if they accept trades so clubs wont offer their top talent

It's a negotiation. Of course GWS will aim high, they should. More than likely end up with either mid-tier young talent or higher end older talent. Teams will offer quite a bit for these picks, the chance to get a great player without bottoming out is too good an opportunity.

 

[cotter101]

What would it take to get him to the lions?

 

[The Smaller Warrior]

Our first pick (Pick 4 or Pick 6 it seems) + one of Danyle Pearce/Steven Salopek/Daniel Motlop/Kane Cornes

Thoughts?

 

[dlanod]

Isn't Pearce out of contract? If he was going to end up at GWS it would be as an uncontracted player, assuming we hadn't already signed someone else up. Other than that, Salopek would be interesting but what's happened to him? Thought he was a future captain/midfield star a couple of years ago but he's dropped completely off the radar now.

Wouldn't mind Hartlett but that'd be shooting the moon.

 

[The Smaller Warrior]

Nah mate,

Pearce comes out of contract 2012.

For Port, I would suggest the players you guys would have on offer/available and would be interested in:

Uncontacted at the end of 2011:
Daniel Motlop - Definately on the outer as we push to arrange our Forward Structure going forward. Motlop does not seem to be a part of it, and as such has taken on an extra role in defense.
Alipate Carlile - Has strugged up back all year with an annoying hip injury which has lead to media speculation that he may be on his way the the GWS. Would be surprised if he left to be honest, most of the rumour around Adelaide is that he will be staying.
Brett Ebert - On the outer at the moment, similar reasoning to Daniel. Has played in the SANFL this year as a midfielder and consistantly knocked up 30+ Possesion Games. Not sure why we have not worked on his fitness to allow him to do similar at AFL level as he won a Magery in the mids.
Chad Cornes - Some want him to stay on another year, others dont. As fit as he has been his entire career, should be able to easily go on another year if he keeps up his fitness - but almost doesnt fit the Primus game plan (though we still cant quiet work out what that is.)

For 2012:
Steven Salopek - Injury has plauged him since 2007 and this year looked to be the one that he would be injury free. Had a fairly good pre-season with minimal issues, but just hasnt come together for him. Had a decent game on the weekend up North and will stay in our line up if that continues.
Danyle Pearce - Almost zero media attention of Pearce leaving us in Adelaide - not sure where any rumours have come from. Strange one to suggest in some cases, and not sure he is suited to what you are after. Would be the perfect addition to a team close to a premiership, but for a new young side? Not so sure.
Jacob Surjan - Not playing for us. No idea why. Suggestions he is heading West. Gun.
David Rodan - Struggling to stay in the side at the moment due to consistancy. Probably one of the most suited players for the 'Sub' role in the AFL though. Can smash it for a half of football - but barely able to take it beyond that.

Ultimately Port will want as many early picks as possible, can definatley see us going for one of the 17 year olds, if not two.

2013:
Kane Cornes - Still not sure where he is at, hasnt been at his very best for a while now. Still consistant and gets a heap of the ball.

 

[dlanod]

I still have my fingers crossed for Carlile but, to be honest, I'm going off last year's impressions. Haven't seen much of Port this year. Pearce is a flashy type that could be the cream on our midfield crop - we've picked up quite a few good 17 year olds and we're obviously targetting young midfielders (Scully, Ward, Easton Wood). Salopek would be awfully tempting. Ebert would be the other one I'd be curious about. Every time I've seen him in your side it's as a forward which, as you say, doesn't seem his best position.

I do hope the rumours of Chad Cornes isn't true unless it's a second option. I'd much rather youth.

Not that I have any insight into the minds of Sheedy et al, I'd probably rank them:
1. Carlile - not many good young defenders running around. Would fill a key spot in the spine.
2. Salopek - I may be overrating him but he fits the profile of those GWS are looking at.
3. Ebert/Pearce - Both interesting options for different reasons.

I'm not sure how the uncontracted pick versus the player trade would work. I'm curious to see that myself.

 

[The Smaller Warrior]

I think we will be one of the clubs who has more than most up for offer, and will make a good go at these 17 year olds.

Will be interesting anyway.

 

[calyam]

John Griifen might be a good starting point for a conversation.

Griffin has become too valuable for you guys to lose. Sandilands is getting older and 7 footers and ankle / knee issues are fairly common. You'll need a quality second ruckman and Griffin is beginning to look like a gem.

 

[Tulip]

Rich was looking like top 3...not #1......and his form the next he warranted a top 3 or even #1 selection. As has Darling this year

Jaegar is no lock for #1. It's too early to tell at sixteen.

How does our compensation pick which will come after your first rounder (so pick 2 or 3) sound?

Throw in choice of seasoned player (Bate, Dunn etc.)

You can't be too picky because he's still so young. Even if a club gave up pick 9 and 10 for example, you'd still much rather pick 2 or 3. Look at Port, they offered us picks 8 and 9 for Trengove's pick and were turned down. Sydney offered Richmond picks 6 and 14 for Martin's pick and were turned down.

 

[Tulip]

Doubt it, Gubby wants top 5 players from clubs.... Gubby is dreaming, Trengove yeah trade a pick 2 with 2 years of investment for first pick in a 4 pick draft????

Both parties need to be realistic, GWS only get benifit out of this if they accept trades so clubs wont offer their top talent

Look at what Gubby did to Brisbane.

If GWS have any sense, they'll make sure someone is watching over his shoulder this trede week. And not Michael Voss

 

[dlanod]

You can't be too picky because he's still so young. Even if a club gave up pick 9 and 10 for example, you'd still much rather pick 2 or 3. Look at Port, they offered us picks 8 and 9 for Trengove's pick and were turned down. Sydney offered Richmond picks 6 and 14 for Martin's pick and were turned down.

That's the thing, we will receive all offers and then get to pick the one, two or three best. So yeah, we can be picky. If we only get offered pick 4 or Melbourne's compo pick then we'll presumably take those offers because that's what the market can bear, and offers aren't going to increase massively for the following year. So be it. But if GC decides to offer us pick 6 and Gorringe, or Essendon offers pick whatever and Hurley, then Melbourne's offer of a compo pick will pale in comparison.

 

[Tulip]

Essendon wouldn't offer Hurley on his own for O'Meara mate. Sorry to burst any bubble you may have. Besides, knowing the shit way the AFL operate, I know they'll have a bit of input into GWS' decisions and I'm sure that they may just whisper that they should consider our offer highly to keep all parties satisfied into Gubby's ear. Of course, this all relies on Tom leaving which he may not do, but it's important to remember that having had no chance to see him in the Championships, some clubs may be skepetical about offering up more than they can afford for a 16 year old. Albeit, a highly talented one.

It would essentially be the same as having Jack Watts on your list in '08, but without having the option of him playing. School boy who'll actually still be operating out of WA you'd presume and would be able to train maybe once a week.

 

[dlanod]

Essendon's was a hypothetical, just pulling an example out of my arse. I would eat my chair if Essendon put Hurley up.

 

[Bay Pie]

If Scully goes to GWS and Melbourne get compensation similar to the Ctas for Gary Jnr, then that is 1 x mid 1st round pick & 1 pick at the end of the 1st round.

Matt Rendell of the Crows has said that GWS wont be interested in draft picks for the 2011 draft and will look for players. But compensation picks can be used in the 2012 superdraft. Far more attractive.

If Melbourne trade both those comp picks to GWS, that will give GWS a pick after Melbournes in the 2012 draft 1st round, not after GWSs' 1st round pick. The compensation pick follows the team it was originally given too, not the team that currently owns it.

eg. the mid 1st round pick that Geelong traded to the Suns, can be used by the Suns after Geelongs 1st round pick in the draft they nominate.

I'd think GWS will hang onto the 4 x 17 year olds and trade them next year when any pick traded can be used in the supposed super strong 2012 draft because quality players trades would appear quite unlikely. If they're uncontracted GWS get them anyway.

 

[GiantForce]

If Scully goes to GWS and Melbourne get compensation similar to the Ctas for Gary Jnr, then that is 1 x mid 1st round pick & 1 pick at the end of the 1st round.

Matt Rendell of the Crows has said that GWS wont be interested in draft picks for the 2011 draft and will look for players. But compensation picks can be used in the 2012 superdraft. Far more attractive.

If Melbourne trade both those comp picks to GWS, that will give GWS a pick after Melbournes in the 2012 draft 1st round, not after GWSs' 1st round pick. The compensation pick follows the team it was originally given too, not the team that currently owns it.

eg. the mid 1st round pick that Geelong traded to the Suns, can be used by the Suns after Geelongs 1st round pick in the draft they nominate.

I'd think GWS will hang onto the 4 x 17 year olds and trade them next year when any pick traded can be used in the supposed super strong 2012 draft because quality players trades would appear quite unlikely. If they're uncontracted GWS get them anyway.

Thats the thing myself and many others aren't sure about. Some people say one thing, others say another thing

They'll use 1 mini draft pick this year atleast (For Jag) and most likely 2. I think splitting the four picks 2/2 is the best option. Creates a bit of a bidding war both years.

If Melbourne offered both compensaion picks + Seasoned player (Bate, Dunn,etc) for Jag O'Meara, I would happy. But there could be better offers on the table and the Giants will take the best offer on the table.
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Just on Jon Griffen. Freo seem to be favouring Zac Clarke over Sandi. If we don't get Clark, then we should try and sign Jon Griffen next year. Jon Gilles to be the #2 ruck for the Giants next year

 

[tigs2010]

Correct me if im wrong but didnt Brisbane get compensation for TRADING Jared Brennan? Anyone know how this trading works?

 

[chenyan]

Correct me if im wrong but didnt Brisbane get compensation for TRADING Jared Brennan? Anyone know how this trading works?

You are wrong

Brisbane allowed GCS to sign Brennan. The new clubs can sign one unsigned player from each club (up to the limit, etc. etc.). The exception is where a club gives permission for the new franchise to sign another player. The transaction is still treated as signing an unsigned player and compensation is assessed in the same manner.

Pragmatically, the deal was a sham. GCS got Brennan for nothing; Brisbane got more from the deal than they would have through trading. It is what it is though.. The AFL were certainly happy.

 

[tigs2010]

You are wrong

Brisbane allowed GCS to sign Brennan. The new clubs can sign one unsigned player from each club (up to the limit, etc. etc.). The exception is where a club gives permission for the new franchise to sign another player. The transaction is still treated as signing an unsigned player and compensation is assessed in the same manner.

Pragmatically, the deal was a sham. GCS got Brennan for nothing; Brisbane got more from the deal than they would have through trading. It is what it is though.. The AFL were certainly happy.

They also got an upgrade of pick 10 up to 5, pick 25 off GC and 27. I believe thats a trade?

 

[dlanod]

Just on Jon Griffen. Freo seem to be favouring Zac Clarke over Sandi. If we don't get Clark, then we should try and sign Jon Griffen next year. Jon Gilles to be the #2 ruck for the Giants next year

I wouldn't mind Griffen but given he went back to WA for family reasons it's hard to see him up and leaving after one year.

They also got an upgrade of pick 10 up to 5, pick 25 off GC and 27. I believe thats a trade?

Two separate items.

1) Brisbane gives GC permission to sign Brennan, getting a end of first round pick for him.
2) Brisbane trades pick 10 and the compensation pick to the GC for picks 5, 25, 27 and Rohan Bewick.

Obviously those two are linked, but in pure terms Brisbane got an end of first round compensation pick for Brennan. The GC didn't get him in a trade.

 

[tigs2010]

I wouldn't mind Griffen but given he went back to WA for family reasons it's hard to see him up and leaving after one year.



Two separate items.

1) Brisbane gives GC permission to sign Brennan, getting a end of first round pick for him.
2) Brisbane trades pick 10 and the compensation pick to the GC for picks 5, 25, 27 and Rohan Bewick.

Obviously those two are linked, but in pure terms Brisbane got an end of first round compensation pick for Brennan. The GC didn't get him in a trade.

ahh thanks for clearing that up. well played by brisbane lol

 

[Shupe]

Just out of curiosity, over on the west coast board there have been suggestions on how we might be able to attain this kid.

The names that keep coming up are Masten, Swift, Koby Stevens. And possibly pick 18 (but I dont think you guys are after picks).

How likely is one/combo of these players to get over the line?

 

[Tulip]

If they won't take two kids in the superdraft, I doubt they'll take a Masten, Swift or Stevens. Maybe Shuey or Naitanui but unfortunately, the Giants have gotten everything right except for their coach and recruiter.

Heard Graham Allen on the radio a few weeks ago inviting supporters to 'offer up players/picks' for Jaegar. he proceded to smugly reject all of the. Pending Tom Scully, GWS will be my second team, it's a shame that they don't seem to understand how trading works. The established clubs aren't going to do anymore bowing down. If oO'Meara falls into the draft, so be it.