Jaeger O'Meara

[SdKfz 181]

Won't play another game IMO. He's cooked.

What is your opinion worth? nothing I'd expect.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Nothing to gloat about. Poor bloke.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Nothing to gloat about. Poor bloke.

Yep

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

If anything everyone who's spiteful should be wanting him to play and underachieve to get max amusement value out of the trade. Just shows that everyone who's enjoying his injury sees him as a threat on-field.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Just wondering if this were another club they would probably getting slammed for the trade but because it's Hawthorn they get a free ride.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Nothing too outrageous. It was a suprise he was tracking so well after preseason, then he got hurt and its created a new setback. Luckily its a marathon not a sprint with Jaeger and we dont him this year anyway

That said, the amount salivating by the media and the general football public about this kid is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I get that people don't like Hawthorn but the fairly widespread, pretty poorly hidden delight that a 23 yo kid cant get on the field... Its pretty poor form.

It's a pity the Hawks fans have been so arrogant about getting O'Meara, my guess is it's all been because of that. Sadly a kid's career is not looking good

 

[Drewie11]

Hawthorn supporters getting upset. This is what your club did. It might still pay off but at the moment it's looking like you might lose this one.

 

[1970crow]

JAEGER O’Meara is battling a new knee issue that will keep him out until “later in the season”.

The prized recruit has a long history of knee problems — the latest of which has sidelined him since Round 6 — but Hawthorn said a recent new issue of bone stress has emerged.

“We’ve identified he’s got his bone stress in his patella,” club fitness boss Andrew Russell said on Tuesday.

“This is a new issue — different to what we’ve had to deal with before with him, which is good.

“Dealing with something different, we’re really happy about.

“Obviously we want him to be 100 per cent but right now he’s not.”

Russell said O’Meara had returned to “90 to 95 per cent” of knee function before he was struck down with the latest issue.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...k/news-story/ef93e4a96a1cc5894791dceec1bd3a8a

So it's a good thing that after getting pre-existing issues to 95% his knee finds another way to shit itself? Gotta feel for the kid, but a new problem sounds pretty bad.

 

[djboonie]

Just wondering if this were another club they would probably getting slammed for the trade but because it's Hawthorn they get a free ride.

Yeah this free ride on here is great.

And there hasnt been one person in the media talk about us trading away this years picks either.

Jump on man.

 

[Fetnarr]

Would have playing so early this year ahead of schedule been a factor

Not sure. Definitely possible but he says in interviews he was 100% pain free for a few months prior to playing. Tough call to make I reckon. With something like that provided strength and control was similar on each side you would just gradually increase the workload and intensity until he was ready to play. Looks like he ticked all those boxes along the way. Sometimes these things take time to show themselves and only appear after repeated exposure. The knock he got in GC game might have been enough to aggravate things and it snow balled from there. He may have some arthritic/degenerative stuff going on too.

 

[Milanista28]

"This is a new issue, which is good"

Um yeah OK

The spin from Hawthorne is amazing.

This is great news apparently.

 

[smasha]

Probably win the Brownlow next year.

P.S. thread one hundred pages long if a Richmond player....

 

[Bradkli]

So some fellow Hawthorn supporters are still seriously trying to justify the JOM deal.

Let me get this straight- you would rather have a 23-year old that hasn't played in two years, will be three by the end of this season (his games this year don't count. He couldn't kick a drop punt or move properly) who is recovering from a horrific knee injury over a first round draft pick (will be pick 2 or 3) plus a string of second round draft picks as well as $800k+ A year to spend on a "fit" free agent??? If that's the case, you are either in denial or dumb...imagine the comments from other hawk supporters if it was Essendon or Geelong that did the JOM deal!!

The following comments from fellow hawk supporters which I have read countless times don't count for me:

-" but Jaeger is a proven talent. Draft picks are speculative." Jaeger was proven 5 years ago BEFORE he was injured. He's obviously a different player today than he was then. He was deemed fit to play round 1 this year, look what's happened since??? He's a midfielder that will be copping knocks every single game he plays...do you think he won't cop another knock to his knee ever again??
All we ever hear about are players like thorp, dowler and Ellis as first round draft pick duds...why don't we ever hear about roughy, buddy, Lewis, Birchall, hodge, Gunston, smith...who were all first and second round draft picks? Who were the players that helped lead hawthorn to premiership glory.

-"but Burgoyne came to the club on crutches and missed the first 8 weeks. Our doctors fixed him, so they will fix JOM". Burgoyne had a different injury. An injury that wasn't likened to a "car crash" injury. Every player has a different body. Dumb argument.

- "but out youngsters are actually really good, so we could afford to trade our draft picks."..yes it worked in the past BUT the team had decent young talent! Ryan burton is the ONLY player under 23 currently with star quality. Keep telling yourself that guys like cousins, Hardwick, Lovell, Stewart, Sicily etc will be stars..those players are your teams 16-22 players. They are your guys like duryea, Langford, shoenmakers in premiership years. The only diffenece is, they will struggle to develop because for the next 2-3 seasons, they will be copping 60+ losses on a regular basis.

For the record, I hope that JOM can get on the park and play high quality football over the next few years. I actually feel sorry for the kid. However, I am a realist and accept that may not happen. Even if he does make it, for what the club gave up it will never be worth it. By the time Hawthorn challenge again for a flag, JOM will be close to 30 and lucky to still be playing. What I can accept, is last off-season was a disaster of epic proportions. The sooner others accept that, the sooner that can stop embarrassing themselves with spin, like the club have been doing all season.

 

[sonnywalters]

Noone has any ill will to JOM and noone is rejoicing in the injury.

It is a completely different issue that the Hawks medical team were delusional about their ability to perform a miracle.

Two completely different things.

I think it is perfectly legit to troll the hawks for their trade strategy. None of that is personal towards JOM. Not his fault.

 

[sonnywalters]

Probably win the Brownlow next year.

Probably wont.

 

[citizen-erased]

poor kid. That 1st season of his was electric.

 

[yoodooright]

My position is pretty straightforward. I want hawthorn fo fail, ergo I want the Jager deal to be a bust. I hope he never performs for Hawthorn. Is this egregious to anyone?

 

[Fetnarr]

So some fellow Hawthron supporters are still seriously trying to justify the JOM deal.

Let me get this straight- you would rather have a 23-year old that hasn't played in two years, will be three by the end of this season (his games this year don't count. He couldn't kick a drop punt or move properly) who is recovering from a horrific knee injury over a first round draft pick (will be pick 2 or 3) plus a string of second round draft picks as well as $800k+ A year to spend on a "fit" free agent??? If that's the case, you are either in denial or dumb...imagine the comments from other hawk supporters if it was Essendon or Geelong that did the JOM deal!!

The following comments from fellow hawk supporters which I have read countless times don't count for me:

-" but Jaeger is a proven talent. Draft picks are speculative." Jaeger was proven 5 years ago BEFORE he was injured. He's obviously a different player today than he was then. He was deemed fit to play round 1 this year, look what's happened since??? He's a midfielder that will be copping knocks every single game he plays...do you think he won't cop another knock to his knee ever again??
All we ever hear about are players like thorp, dowler and Ellis as first round draft pick duds...why don't we ever hear about roughy, buddy, Lewis, Birchall, hodge, Gunston, smith...who were all first and second round draft picks? Who were the players that helped lead hawthorn to premiership glory.

-"but Burgoyne came to the club on crutches and missed the first 8 weeks. Our doctors fixed him, so they will fix JOM". Burgoyne had a different injury. An injury that wasn't likened to a "car crash" injury. Every player has a different body. Dumb argument.

- "but out youngsters are actually really good, so we could afford to trade our draft picks."..yes it worked in the past BUT the team had decent young talent! Ryan burton is the ONLY player under 23 currently with star quality. Keep telling yourself that guys like cousins, Hardwick, Lovell, Stewart, Sicily etc will be stars..those players are your teams 16-22 players. They are your guys like duryea, Langford, shoenmakers in premiership years. The only diffenece is, they will struggle to develop because for the next 2-3 seasons, they will be copping 60+ losses on a regular basis.

For the record, I hope that JOM can get on the park and play high quality football over the next few years. I actually feel sorry for the kid. However, I am a realist and accept that may not happen. Even if he does make it, for what the club gave up it will never be worth it. By the time Hawthorn challenge again for a flag, JOM will be close to 30 and lucky to still be playing. What I can accept, is last off-season was a disaster of epic proportions. The sooner others accept that, the sooner that can stop embarrassing themselves with spin, like the club have been doing all season.

I'm a hawk and Jaeger optimist and I'm not embarrassed at all. And I wouldn't expect the club to be either. No one has to accept anything yet, Jeager is in year one of a 5 year deal......judge it in 4 years. Jaegers knee is complicated and smarter people than you or I are dealing with it, people who have managed many elite athletes and complicated injuries with success in the past. People who have compiled and managed lists to premierships in 3 of the last 4 years. Show some faith, not blindly, in the club and the people running it. Sure you can question things and you don't have to agree with everything, but remember what this club and the people running it have given us over the past 10 years.

 

[Coops93]

Just wondering if this were another club they would probably getting slammed for the trade but because it's Hawthorn they get a free ride.

I think that combined with the way O'Maera shafted his old club are the reason he gets so much vitriol.

 

[fpm84]

I feel bad for JOM because even if he does get back to playing 20+ games a season, and remains largely injury-free, for the price the Hawks they paid for him they need him to be a bona fide superstar - a perennial AA and Brownlow contender like Dangerfield for us or Judd for Carlton.

On the flipside the Tom Mitchell deal is looking a good one for them, and they clearly won the Gibson-Gunston trades. You win some, you lose some...

 

[sonnywalters]

It is basically nya nya though really

Interest not seen since the hodge-ball-judd days

Not at all.
Just pointing out that your medical team believed their own bullshit and were drunk on their own bathwater.
"Dont worry. We can fix him'.

Hubris.

Dont forget the GC paid for JOM to go to Europe for surgery.

 

[sven_inc]

My honest opinion as a Hawk supporting Physio is this:

Jaeger has a long history of patella tendon issues, from what I have read since he was about 15 or 16. After he pulled up sore in 2014 GC tried to rectify this by sending him to a surgeon in the UK who specializes in patellar tendon issues. A procedure was done to free up the tendon from its sheath (scar tissue can form between the tendon and sheath when exposed to prolonged inflammation) and to remove bone spurs. Jaeger rehabilitated his knee over the offseason and then ruptured the patellar tendon in his first game back in 2015. He subsequently missed 2015 and came back in 2016, played half a dozen games before going in for a "clean up" or arthroscopy of his knee at the end of 2016.

Jaeger now has a bone stress injury to the patella. This could be caused by multiple things, it could be due to poor tracking of the patella in its groove, it could be from a direct knock or it could be overload where either the quad or patellar tendon attach to the bone. AR stressed that the tendon was in fact fine.....take from that what you will, but if you take it on face value then it is not a direct overload of the tendon itself which is great news. However if that is the case it is most likely due to poor mechanics of the patella and how it functions in the groove of the femur. This dysfunction occurs due to imbalances in the muscles that attach to the patella and creates friction between the undersurface of the patella and the groove of the femur. Many factors such as tightness and/or weakness and/or poor motor control of muscles in the calf, thigh and hip can all contribute to this as can back issues (thanks Sven) as can flat feet, training overload, poor footwear etc

Post surgery it is possible for issues such as this to arise as muscles weaken and tighten, scars form affecting the way things move and motor patterns change due to pain etc.

My guess is, providing Andrew Russell is telling the truth, and I have no reason to doubt him, that these imbalances have arisen due to surgery and such a long time out and they need to be sorted before he can get back to 100%

Quoted just to reinforce what Fetnarr mentioned.

Everything above makes sense and what Andrew Russell states also seems likely to be legit. But how can anyone really know at this point?

Frustrating as a Hawks supporter if only because it's just poured a whole bunch of gasoline onto a simmering BigFooty fire.

Looks like those happy to sink the boots in will be squaring off against the converted for at least a few more months yet!

Hopefully we still get to see the best of Jaeger.

 

[Fetnarr]

Not at all.
Just pointing out that your medical team believed their own bullshit and were drunk on their own bathwater.
"Dont worry. We can fix him'.

Hubris.

Dont forget the GC paid for JOM to go to Europe for surgery.

Still might

 

[Proper Gander]

Sounds horribly sad. My brother in law is a surgeon - he's not a sports injury specialist, cardio is his thing, but obviously his colleagues and friends have a range of specialisations. At any rate he knows more than me. He said bone stress issues in the patella region aren't all that common but are dramatically increased where there is previous injury / surgery in the surrounding region. So while a new injury, very unlikely to be completely unrelated, and highly likely to be an ongoing load bearing issue. In all other respects my brother in law is a bit of a jerk but he sounded a bit cut up about it. I actually heard about it having drinks with him after work - but I've looked at the articles now and the Hawthorn club are sounding bullish about it being unrelated? I honestly don't know what to believe. You have to feel for the player though, it must be so frustrating and disappointing.

 

[Bardo State]

My position is pretty straightforward. I want hawthorn fo fail, ergo I want the Jager deal to be a bust. I hope he never performs for Hawthorn. Is this egregious to anyone?

Seems to be the jist of what most people on this board are hoping for. I think it's poor form but seem to be in the minority.

Imagine if a bunch of Hawthorn supporters hopped on the Menzel injury threads at the time gloating about how they knew Menzel was cooked and the arrogant Geelong staff should have gotten rid of him for cap space/picks. Poor optics.