Jaeger O'Meara

[Bardo State]

I feel bad for JOM because even if he does get back to playing 20+ games a season, and remains largely injury-free, for the price the Hawks they paid for him they need him to be a bona fide superstar - a perennial AA and Brownlow contender like Dangerfield for us or Judd for Carlton.

On the flipside the Tom Mitchell deal is looking a good one for them, and they clearly won the Gibson-Gunston trades. You win some, you lose some...

The Gibson and Burgoyne trades didn't exactly look like wins mid way through the first season either. We should probably be a bit more patient before deciding these things.

 

[Toump Ass]

The entire trade period was a ****ing debacle for the Hawks.

Mitchell & Lewis gone for **** all and two first rounders on a Hail Mary.

A fit Roughead last year and I'd have backed the Hawks to make it to four in a row, not sure why Clarko didn't think he could go again.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Seems to be the jist of what most people on this board are hoping for. I think it's poor form but seem to be in the minority.

Imagine if a bunch of Hawthorn supporters hopped on the Menzel injury threads at the time gloating about how they knew Menzel was cooked and the arrogant Geelong staff should have gotten rid of him for cap space/picks. Poor optics.

It's more like what Carlton had to put up with, over Thomas and his ankle.

 

[blaisee]

JOM may very well be an even money bet to have less than 50 games left in his career, at best.

Big risk.

 

[btdg]

Seems to be the jist of what most people on this board are hoping for. I think it's poor form but seem to be in the minority.

Imagine if a bunch of Hawthorn supporters hopped on the Menzel injury threads at the time gloating about how they knew Menzel was cooked and the arrogant Geelong staff should have gotten rid of him for cap space/picks. Poor optics.

I hate Hawthorn with every fibre of my being, but I'm with you on this one. It's poor form (and bad Karma) to gloat or wish for the injury of a player. At the end of the day, football is a game, it is meant to be entertainment, and people are seriously celebrating a young man suffering a serious physical injury that could end his career?

What I'm hoping for is that my team can beat yours. My wish is that O'Meara gets back to football, back to his best... and it still doesn't matter because my team has improved so much that we can beat you regardless!

If Carlton won a premiership because a rare illness ran through 17 other clubs and they all got sick, so we Bradburied our way to victory, I'd feel it was hollow. What I want is for Carlton's #17 to be against the best, greatest, most awesome opposition possible. An inspirational run in which we smash a monstrous GWS team in the first run of the finals, a gargantuan Essendon in week 2 (by 1 point), a phenomenal Hawthorn in the prelim (by 100 points), and a mighty Collingwood team in the Grand Final (by 1 point, after trailing by 76 at half time)

 

[Bardo State]

It's more like what Carlton had to put up with, over Thomas and his ankle.

Yep, similar to that. Was a shame how so many people were rejoicing over a player that was once elite struggling with injury.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

The entire trade period was a ******* debacle for the Hawks.

Mitchell & Lewis gone for **** all and two first rounders on a Hail Mary.

A fit Roughead last year and I'd have backed the Hawks to make it to four in a row, not sure why Clarko didn't think he could go again.

To be fair Tom Mitchell was a great trade

 

[Ron The Bear]

Seems to be the jist of what most people on this board are hoping for. I think it's poor form but seem to be in the minority.

Imagine if a bunch of Hawthorn supporters hopped on the Menzel injury threads at the time gloating about how they knew Menzel was cooked and the arrogant Geelong staff should have gotten rid of him for cap space/picks. Poor optics.

There've been a few keen to let us know that Prestia was a bad trade and that everyone else but Richmond knew it was a bad trade.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Lucky for Jager he got a big contract.

If he pulls the pin would that mean he forfeits his remaining contract? If so he may as well just stay on and collect big pay packets for nothing

 

[yoodooright]

Seems to be the jist of what most people on this board are hoping for. I think it's poor form but seem to be in the minority.

Imagine if a bunch of Hawthorn supporters hopped on the Menzel injury threads at the time gloating about how they knew Menzel was cooked and the arrogant Geelong staff should have gotten rid of him for cap space/picks. Poor optics.

I suppose Im just interested as to why you think it is poor form? Its not as if an opinion can affect his rehabilitation. To be somewhat blunt, shouldnt people grow a pair?

I think the tale of Menzel is somewhat different. Geelong did not trade assets for him. Hawthorn did with Jager. So much so that it is not hyporbole to say that his future & Hawthorns are inextricably linked. Do you have an issue with opposition supportors wanting Hawthorn to fail? Is that poor form?

 

[SandyToes]

The Gibson and Burgoyne trades didn't exactly look like wins mid way through the first season either. We should probably be a bit more patient before deciding these things.

I hear this Burgoyne thing all the time, but he played 16 games in 2010 averaged 22 disposals and got 7 Brownlow votes

 

[Bardo State]

I suppose Im just interested as to why you think it is poor form? Its not as if an opinion can affect his rehabilitation. To be somewhat blunt, shouldnt people grow a pair?

I think the tale of Menzel is somewhat different. Geelong did not trade assets for him. Hawthorn did with Jager. So much so that it is not hyporbole to say that his future & Hawthorns are inextricably linked. Do you have an issue with opposition supportors wanting Hawthorn to fail? Is that poor form?

It can't effect the situation and obviously it's not as bad as actually taking a hammer to one of Jaegar's knees.

But don't you think it still reflects poorly? Like if Rory Sloane was injured in a car crash tomorrow and in the relevant thread I celebrated because it means we're a better chance to beat the Crows and I don't like Adelaide. Or if, God forbid, back in 2015 some opposition supporters acted smugly after Phil Walsh's passing because it would disrupt Adelaide's season. They wouldn't be effecting the outcome but they'd look like downright ordinary human beings. This isn't on that level but the principle still stands. A little bit of empathy rarely goes astray.

 

[Bardo State]

I hear this Burgoyne thing all the time, but he played 16 games in 2010 averaged 22 disposals and got 7 Brownlow votes

The situations are different obviously. But after only playing 9 games the year before, missing the first 7 when he was recruited and paying a seemingly heavy price for an injured, old, over the hill midfielder it was a good lesson in letting the whole situation play out before making decisions on whether a trade was a bust before the first season even plays out.

 

[Toump Ass]

To be fair Tom Mitchell was a great trade

I stand corrected; that was a good one.

I hate Hawthorn with every fibre of my being, but I'm with you on this one. It's poor form (and bad Karma)

Requested a trade to Hawthorn after playing zero games in two years. Is that Karma?

 

[Power Raid]

fingers crossed he comes back fitter, stronger and bigger next year

best of luck JOM

 

[Mappa]

I stand corrected; that was a good one.

Requested a trade to Hawthorn after playing zero games in two years. Is that Karma?

Seems like a good young man. Had a brief chat to him at training and seemed very level-headed.

Perhaps he saw what Hawthorn was able to achieve with Burgoyne back 6-7 years ago, what we were able to do with Cyril, what we've been able to do with Ryan Burton and thought we could do that for him. Mate, just maybe his body isn't fixable. We've have significantly more success at the trade table than failures, and in this case we have probably lost (although he may come good). All in all, clubs have used first round draft picks many times and they haven't worked out. We've done pretty well over the past decade, so if the price of that is the odd draft bust and a couple of years down the bottom I'll take that every day of the week.

 

[The 747]

It is possible to feel sympathy for the kid and want to see him get back to his best and also enjoy Hawthorn misfortune. The faux outrage from Hawk supporters is amusing.

 

[yoodooright]

It can't effect the situation and obviously it's not as bad as actually taking a hammer to one of Jaegar's knees.

But don't you think it still reflects poorly? Like if Rory Sloane was injured in a car crash tomorrow and in the relevant thread I celebrated because it means we're a better chance to beat the Crows and I don't like Adelaide. Or if, God forbid, back in 2015 some opposition supporters acted smugly after Phil Walsh's passing because it would disrupt Adelaide's season. They wouldn't be effecting the outcome but they'd look like downright ordinary human beings. This isn't on that level but the principle still stands. A little bit of empathy rarely goes astray.

I think you are missing the point. The reason I don't have an issue with people rooting against Jager is because of the investment Hawthorn placed in him. They sacrificed substantial future potential, due to the fact that they thought they could fix Jager. Call it what you will, but I think there is a tinge of hubris involved. It is not that people want Jager to fail, per se, but they want Hawthorn to fail, vicariously. I don't see any issue wth that. They have been up for a long time - again, its tall poppy syndrome. I have no qualm with that.

Whilst I take your analogies in good faith - they are entirely different. Do you see the difference?

 

[La Dispute]

Last years draft period is definitely the tipping point for Hawthorn.

From being THE destination club to the club you'd least like to go to is pretty big, and the hubris of Hawthorn in getting Jaeger and then signing up an absolute scrub like Vickery thinking by some miracle they could 'fix' him is partly what's made the situation so interesting for opposition supporters.

I'd love Jaeger to get back to his 2014 form. He was genuinely the next dominant midfielder - Ablett-like with his mix of speed, evasion and goal-kicking ability - but he might not even get up for a full season again. In any case, he's unlikely to show any of the poise and skill he had as a junior. Even in his 37 possession game, he looked so tentative.

 

[The 747]

Last years draft period is definitely the tipping point for Hawthorn.

From being THE destination club to the club you'd least like to go to is pretty big, and the hubris of Hawthorn in getting Jaeger and then signing up an absolute scrub like Vickery thinking by some miracle they could 'fix' him is partly what's made the situation so interesting for opposition supporters.

I'd love Jaeger to get back to his 2014 form. He was genuinely the next dominant midfielder - Ablett-like with his mix of speed, evasion and goal-kicking ability - but he might not even get up for a full season again. In any case, he's unlikely to show any of the poise and skill he had as a junior. Even in his 37 possession game, he looked so tentative.

The skill is there but the athletic ability is impaired - think Cooney but earlier major injury.

 

[Bokonon_]

My position is pretty straightforward. I want hawthorn fo fail, ergo I want the Jager deal to be a bust. I hope he never performs for Hawthorn. Is this egregious to anyone?

It isn't but wishing career ending injury is. There's a line you've got to be careful with. Not saying you crossed it.

 

[Ian McDonald]

Sorry

Lucky for Jager he got a big contract.

If he pulls the pin would that mean he forfeits his remaining contract? If so he may as well just stay on and collect big pay packets for nothing

Footy is Jaegers life . Do you think this is a walk in the park for him. Do you think he may be gutteref . Well he bloody is.

 

[Bokonon_]

I suppose Im just interested as to why you think it is poor form? Its not as if an opinion can affect his rehabilitation. To be somewhat blunt, shouldnt people grow a pair?

I think the tale of Menzel is somewhat different. Geelong did not trade assets for him. Hawthorn did with Jager. So much so that it is not hyporbole to say that his future & Hawthorns are inextricably linked. Do you have an issue with opposition supportors wanting Hawthorn to fail? Is that poor form?

Read post #208

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Last years draft period is definitely the tipping point for Hawthorn.

From being THE destination club to the club you'd least like to go to is pretty big, and the hubris of Hawthorn in getting Jaeger and then signing up an absolute scrub like Vickery thinking by some miracle they could 'fix' him is partly what's made the situation so interesting for opposition supporters.

I'd love Jaeger to get back to his 2014 form. He was genuinely the next dominant midfielder - Ablett-like with his mix of speed, evasion and goal-kicking ability - but he might not even get up for a full season again. In any case, he's unlikely to show any of the poise and skill he had as a junior. Even in his 37 possession game, he looked so tentative.

The recruiting of Vickery absolutely defies belief.

The guy shouldn't even be on an AFL list.

 

[La Dispute]

The skill is there but the athletic ability is impaired - think Cooney but earlier major injury.

He can still accumulate, as he reads the play better than his opponent. It's possible that if/when he gets over his injuries he could still be a handy contributor.

Like Thomas, he might have a few attributes that'll get him him in the team, but that's such a low-base to work from. For his sake I hope he gets some of his running power back so he can impact more meaningfully.