Jaeger O'Meara

[threesixpio]

fair enough. But some posters would swear black and blue they haven't nominated dates. For example, apparently the club never implied he'd be back the round after the bye but that was certainly the impression everyone had

Because you quoted the Herald Sun?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

It was a joke. Not long ago you told us not to believe HFC statements on Jaegar ....now you're referring to them as "good news"

interesting that you put words in my mouth like that. I've never said people shouldn't believe the HFC statements. I've merely compared what the message has been to what the reality ultimately turned out to be. Kind of like nonsense like this:

Because you quoted the Herald Sun?

You really think that Hawthorn supporters like HairyO are so stupid they have confused the Herald Sun with the club?

And any way, it is good news. Everyone wants JOM to get over his injuries and get back to doing what he does best. And now it seems we have another date to look forward to.

Although, I'm sure if it doesn't eventuate, and confused posters say hang on a minute, you'll be saying that they never said that, they only said he's doing a "rehab block", you're listening to the HUN again, hurrr. Right?

 

[HairyO]

fair enough. But some posters would swear black and blue they haven't nominated dates. For example, apparently the club never implied he'd be back the round after the bye but that was certainly the impression everyone had

They have never said a specific date. Its always been x to y weeks.

And its always prefaced with him needing to get theough the rehab programme.

Over eager supporters are the ones leaping to conclusions.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Question: I noticed this buried away in an article about Ty Vickery, pertaining to JOM:

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ha...t/news-story/d81a335c88540a7944d76d2f3c3d59bf


Yet I recall this from June 21:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...hawk-jaegar-omearas-knee-20170621-gwvb96.html


So, is Clarkson referring to the training block O'Meara spoke about 2 weeks ago? And what the heck is a "rehab block" and how is it different to a "training block"? I would have thought any training block you are doing in lieu of playing would be a rehab block of some kind? I must admit, I haven't heard much about "blocks" previously and there's been so many different ones for O'Meara this year (for eg, the training block he was apparently doing up to the bye) it gets a bit confusing.

In any case, this is good news yes? It suggests a return date of around Round 19 or 20, for a few games before the season ends if I'm reading it correctly?

The most recent issue is stress related, so they're going to take it slow with him.

JOM recently told a bunch of people at a function that he wants to play a few games this year. The club want him to.

It will just be whether the injury settles down.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

interesting that you put words in my mouth like that. I've never said people shouldn't believe the HFC statements. I've merely compared what the message has been to what the reality ultimately turned out to be. Kind of like nonsense like this:



You really think that Hawthorn supporters like HairyO are so stupid they have confused the Herald Sun with the club?

And any way, it is good news. Everyone wants JOM to get over his injuries and get back to doing what he does best. And now it seems we have another date to look forward to.

Although, I'm sure if it doesn't eventuate, and confused posters say hang on a minute, you'll be saying that they never said that, they only said he's doing a "rehab block", you're listening to the HUN again, hurrr. Right?

Don't run away from the fact that you couldn't provide one statement from the club about returning directly afte the bye, despite repeatedly being asked.

 

[threesixpio]

interesting that you put words in my mouth like that. I've never said people shouldn't believe the HFC statements. I've merely compared what the message has been to what the reality ultimately turned out to be. Kind of like nonsense like this:



You really think that Hawthorn supporters like HairyO are so stupid they have confused the Herald Sun with the club?

And any way, it is good news. Everyone wants JOM to get over his injuries and get back to doing what he does best. And now it seems we have another date to look forward to.

Although, I'm sure if it doesn't eventuate, and confused posters say hang on a minute, you'll be saying that they never said that, they only said he's doing a "rehab block", you're listening to the HUN again, hurrr. Right?

I recall a poster suggesting that Hawthorn supporters were too believing of HFC statements to the extent that it was highly hypocritical given that Hawthorn supporters had a history of admonishing supporters from other clubs for believing Club Statements on...certain controversial topics...

Edit: this sentence is horrible

And I believe you when you say it is good news - just giving you shit

 

[daffo]

Thankfully Essendon were too shit for JoM to pick us.

 

[threesixpio]

Thankfully Essendon were too shit for JoM to pick us.

No argument from me on both counts

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Thankfully Essendon were too shit for JoM to pick us.

It was more about Etihad.

 

[JayJ20]

The most recent issue is stress related, so they're going to take it slow with him.

JOM recently told a bunch of people at a function that he wants to play a few games this year. The club want him to.

It will just be whether the injury settles down.

Why don't they just let him play out the year in Box Hill whenever he is ready?
AFL tempo might be too much for him this year. With an injury like that, i think he'd need to gain some confidence in his body first and I don't see that happening at AFL level

 

[threesixpio]

Why don't they just let him play out the year in Box Hill whenever he is ready?
AFL tempo might be too much for him this year. With an injury like that, i think he'd need to gain some confidence in his body first and I don't see that happening at AFL level

It's not impossible this will happen. Available to play could mean there if necessary

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Don't run away from the fact that you couldn't provide one statement from the club about returning directly afte the bye, despite repeatedly being asked.

I provided several examples of the clubs messages communicating precisely that message without saying it verbatim, which was exactly the point I was making about clubs and weasel words.

If you want to deny the club have set expectations and then shifted the goal posts that's your prerogative of course, but that's what they've done here as well. Just sayin'.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll be able to make a similar plausible denial the way they've worded this one too

 

[HeHateMe]

Why don't they just let him play out the year in Box Hill whenever he is ready?
AFL tempo might be too much for him this year. With an injury like that, i think he'd need to gain some confidence in his body first and I don't see that happening at AFL level

He is better off at afl level, then the vfl. Might as well paint a big red targets on his knees.

And we want him 100% for afl. Not 90, 95%. Most players play with niggles at 80-95%, but it's understandable why the club is taking this approach.

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[threesixpio]

Abasi vs Lance

Fight fight fight fight fight (and sounds of jeering...)

 

[Wesley2]

Hawks should just play him even though rest and rehab is better for his career at this stage, just to ease the qualms of bigfooty opposition supporters

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I provided several examples of the clubs messages communicating precisely that message without saying it verbatim, which was exactly the point I was making about clubs and weasel words.

Stop lying to yourself. You provided copy from a Hun article. Not one quote from club or player.
Despite saying previously that the club stated he'd be back afte the bye....and all becuase you'd read Hawks supporters predicting it on the Hawk board.

If you want to deny the club have set expectations and then shifted the goal posts that's your prerogative of course, but that's what they've done here as well. Just sayin'.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll be able to make a similar plausible denial the way they've worded this one too

You're being a dill.

Nothing has changed. He'll play when they think he should play.

As Clarkson said publicly they had been trying to get him back to 100% but he was struggling each time they lifted the intensity and so when they went back for further scans they discovered the reason, which they're now working towards overcoming with rest and then a block of training.

Did you completely miss this article when you were lurking?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...hawk-jaegar-omearas-knee-20170621-gwvb96.html

"Then the breakthrough came. Six weeks back, and at a loss to explain it any other way, the medical staff had the most scanned patella in football scanned again. This time it showed something.

There was a stress reaction in the patella bone. The worst of news was the best of news. Finally, they had an explanation. Now they could work out a treatment plan."

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Stop lying to yourself. You provided copy from a Hun article. Not one quote from club or player.
Despite saying previously that the club stated he'd be back afte the bye....and all becuase you'd read Hawks supporters predicting it on the Hawk board.


You're being a dill.

Nothing has changed. He'll play when they think he should play.

As Clarkson said publicly they had been trying to get him back to 100% but he was struggling each time they lifted the intensity and so when they went back for further scans they discovered the reason, which they're now working towards overcoming with rest and then a block of training.

Did you completely miss this article when you were lurking?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...hawk-jaegar-omearas-knee-20170621-gwvb96.html

"Then the breakthrough came. Six weeks back, and at a loss to explain it any other way, the medical staff had the most scanned patella in football scanned again. This time it showed something.

There was a stress reaction in the patella bone. The worst of news was the best of news. Finally, they had an explanation. Now they could work out a treatment plan."

I quoted that exact article a few posts above, do keep up! You would think that if the club were content that he would simply play whenever he is ready they wouldn't bother setting expectations like the above.

I get that you feel the need to try to re-litigate old arguments but that's not what I'm here for. The article I quoted above the one you have just quoted said that Clarkson was claiming O'Meara was now in training and would do a "rehab block". I simply asked whether that training was the training O'Meara referred to in the exact same article from 2 weeks ago you think I missed somehow. Also, do you know what the difference is between a training block and a rehab block?

 

[DapperDon]

Don't run away from the fact that you couldn't provide one statement from the club about returning directly afte the bye, despite repeatedly being asked.

Here's Clarkson saying it wont be directly after the bye but pretty close to it

"I don't think (he'll return) immediately after the (round 13) bye but he'll be pretty soon ... he's doing a really strong training block," he said on Sunday.

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/af...nd-the-bye?station=melbourne&geoRedirect=true

He seems to be in the training block prior to his rehab block to get him back into the training bock here.

Not many mixed messages coming from the club.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Here's Clarkson saying it wont be directly after the bye but pretty close to it


https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/af...nd-the-bye?station=melbourne&geoRedirect=true

He seems to be in the training block prior to his rehab block to get him back into the training bock here.

Not many mixed messages coming from the club.

O'Meara himself also said he was in a 4 week training block, that ended at bye weekend, under the headline "O'Meara to return after bye".

Also had this on AFL.com: "The Hawks were aiming for O'Meara to return after the bye before he pulled up sore when his training increased."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-21/hawks-wont-put-gun-recruit-on-the-shelf-for-2017

Fairly clear cut in most people's eyes

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Also, do you know what the difference is between a training block and a rehab block?

I would assume rehab would be work upstairs with weights and core work that many players do when returning, training is training with the group, if they are even different things.

But seriously, he'll be back when he is back, and if the medicos decide that he needs to take it back a step and miss the rest of the season, so be it.

 

[DapperDon]

O'Meara himself also said he was in a 4 week training block, that ended at bye weekend, under the headline "O'Meara to return after bye".

Also had this on AFL.com: "The Hawks were aiming for O'Meara to return after the bye before he pulled up sore when his training increased."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-21/hawks-wont-put-gun-recruit-on-the-shelf-for-2017

Fairly clear cut in most people's eyes

Clear for anyone not denying their club isn't being completely up front about all details.

Hopefully they get to the bottom of it soon, as I really feel for JoM and hope he gets a good decade out of himself still.

 

[Mr Lizard]

Fairly clear cut

Tried to do training block but kept getting sore

Identified problem, allowed problem to settle

Is now attempting training block again

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Tried to do training block but kept getting sore

Identified problem, allowed problem to settle

Is now attempting training block again

No now it's a rehab block

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Here's Clarkson saying it wont be directly after the bye but pretty close to it


https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/af...nd-the-bye?station=melbourne&geoRedirect=true

He seems to be in the training block prior to his rehab block to get him back into the training bock here.

Not many mixed messages coming from the club.

Should they just play him in 4 weeks regardless of where he is at with the injury because Clarkson made a statement 3 weeks earlier about him being back soon, you think?

 

[Mr Lizard]

No now it's a rehab block

Rehab block is just a training block for people in rehab.

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