Oppo Camp Jaidyn Stephenson (Traded to Nth Melb. 2020)

[gerryg400]

Betting companies will make money of footy. It's a legal activity. Why therefore shouldn't the AFL get their fair share of that. Funds that go to promote grass roots footy, funds that go to establish women's footy, funds that go to prop up under performing clubs, funds that go to improved facilities.

Funds that come from footy fans that in some cases can’t afford to gamble.

 

[jackcass]

Clubs have chosen to step away from Pokie Venues - its a bad look.
Why shouldn't the AFL do the same thing will gambling sponsorship.

Clubs have a conscience but the AFL shouldn't?

I'm not a gambler or a fan of gambling but it'll happen irrespective of that. To think that the AFL turning it's back on gambling sponsorship will in any way change how much of it we have shoved down our throats is naïve. Other sports will still indulge. The TV, radio and print media networks won't just step away from it in support of an altruistic AFL decision. Transport companies will still sprawl it down the side of buses and trams and courier vans. Billboards will still adorn our road ways. The only thing that'll change that is a legislated ban in much the same way as we've seen with tobacco.

 

[sr36]

Isn't the hypocrisy the fact that the AFL has banned AFL betting, but not taken the needed measures to ensure players comply by blocking such betting on their accounts?
Its like telling a child to never touch a gun, but you leave one lying around the house hoping the kid does the right thing.

Isn't it hypocrisy that AFL understands gambling is a huge issue amongst AFL players, that has manifestly affected the lives of players such as Schwarz and Fevola to name a few, but happily accepts betting sponsorship money from the same companies that facilitate this addiction.

When the AFL allows wall to wall advertising on TV of AFL odds, is it any wonder young kids are discussing gambling at a much earlier age than in the past, which will be clearly problematic in the future. But again the AFL is completely undeterred and avoids the issue as there is Sponsorship money involved.

The AFL parades its self as a fine upstanding Corporate citizen, but condones gambling.

There is hypocrisy all over this issue IMO.

Stevo didn't use his own account.

The AFL aren't being hypocrites. They don't have an anti-gambling agenda. They have an anti match fixing agenda. They ban players from betting on the footy to reduce the likelihood of match or spot fixing. They're two totally different issues.

Like many people, I'd like them to stop promoting gambling, but that stance wouldn't be related to their stance on player's betting on the AFL. It's a seperate issue. It's doing my head in that so many are just conflating the two issues.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Stephenson was stupid enough to let it slip to his teammates. If he let it slip once there’s every risk it would have slipped again in the future Sooner or later somebody was going to blab either accidentally or out of spite.

Thank god howe was there to encourage self reporting and save the kid s much heftier penalty

Please..

 

[jackcass]

Funds that come from footy fans that in some cases can’t afford to gamble.

Can't afford to gamble, don't gamble. Simple. Take responsibility rather than shift blame.

 

[Yidaki]

Cats premiership odds have tightened in light of the news while we haven blown out a little.

Prior to Stevo's bet:

Cats - $3.25
Pies - $3.75

After the bet:

Cats - $3.10
Pies - $4.00

Makes sense considering Stevo is our second best goal kicker.

Feels odd talking about odds given that is what cost Stevo 10 games.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Thank goodness you’re not banned from gambling on the footy.
The industry would struggle without your regular gorillas.

Re

Are you assuming I'm in the red re? Ade re.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

It wouldn't just be 'done' and finished as simply as that though. I can completely understand him not wanting to play the rest of his still young career with this hanging over his head, knowing it could come out at any moment. If his conscience was as guilty as he says, and he held onto it for the rest of his career, not only would that be extremely tough psychologically but I wouldn't expect him to be performing optimally either. Now he'll hopefully return both as hungry as ever and with a clear mind.

At the end of the day sure the bet sizing makes it look an innocent mistake, but the size and frequency are irrelevant in the eyes of the law when you're an AFL player betting on AFL.

Makes sense.

Only thing is.. he didn't report it for investigation.

 

[No SPIN]

I'm not a gambler or a fan of gambling but it'll happen irrespective of that. To think that the AFL turning it's back on gambling sponsorship will in any way change how much of it we have shoved down our throats is naïve. Other sports will still indulge. The TV, radio and print media networks won't just step away from it in support of an altruistic AFL decision. Transport companies will still sprawl it down the side of buses and trams and courier vans. Billboards will still adorn our road ways. The only thing that'll change that is a legislated ban in much the same way as we've seen with tobacco.

It is simplistic to assume that if there's a buck in any endeavour the AFL should dive in.

Is it only Clubs that have a moral compass and sold their pokie interests?

Why doesn't the AFL follow the lead?

On the main board, on the same debate a school bus driver posted that his primary school age passengers frequently discuss AFL odds for upcoming games.
That's a very sad state of affairs that will only ensure earlier adoption of regular gambling and therefore the prospects of problem gambling longer term.

With AFL odds advertising plastered everywhere, before, during and after every match is it any wonder these kids are being indoctrinated.

 

[100volt1]

The way you've been acting yesterday and today it's like you wanted him to get a life ban.

What's with everyone and moaning about life bans? He's lucky he hasn't in all fairness because of how brazen it was, but I doubt many would want him to get a life ban. I'd be stoked if he didn't get a suspension at all, doesn't mean it's right.

 

[No SPIN]

Stevo didn't use his own account.

The AFL aren't being hypocrites. They don't have an anti-gambling agenda. They have an anti match fixing agenda. They ban players from betting on the footy to reduce the likelihood of match or spot fixing. They're two totally different issues.

Like many people, I'd like them to stop promoting gambling, but that stance wouldn't be related to their stance on player's betting on the AFL. It's a seperate issue. It's doing my head in that so many are just conflating the two issues.

The AFL has made a rod for its own back and clearly caused the confusion you speak of.

If they had an anti match fixing agenda ONLY - then why ban Stevo given his bets where too small to impact the result of a game.

Therefore IMO he was banned for gambling, and NOT for gambling with the intent to fix a match.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

It all began with my sock. I think I lost it whilst racially abusing indigenous homosexual quadriplegics at Marvel stadium.

First Gil takes away my sock, then my freedom of expression and now he's taken my Stevo. You're not the menace Saintly. He is. When will it end?

When he sponsors Wilson

 

[CFC2010]

I said I wouldn't post about this anymore but Sir Robinson has spoken...……….enjoy.

AFL came down hard on Magpie Jaidyn Stephenson for betting and rightly so, Mark Robinson writes

Jaidyn Stephenson unleashed a stunning 65m torpedo that brought the house down in Collingwood’s Round 9 clash with St Kilda. But the euphoria of that brilliant moment now has an asterisk beside it, Mark Robinson writes.


Jaidyn Stephenson was dealt with appropriately.
He bet on Collingwood games he played in and bet on the performances of himself and his teammates.

Forget that he only bet $36.

It’s about the possibilities.

The AFL said it investigated the bets, viewed the games he bet on and decided Stephenson didn’t have an impact on the games.

They must be mind readers.

How could the AFL really know what Stephenson was thinking with ball in hand? Did he kick for goal when he should have passed the ball? Did he pass the ball to certain teammates to boost their stats? Did he play tempo football to try to keep the margin within his bets? Does he tell mates who his team is tagging this week?

In one of those games, Round 9 against St Kilda, Stephenson kicked a torpedo goal from 65m with two minutes to play. It was his third goal for the match. Did he opt to go the torp and not pass to a teammate to help get his multi up?

The euphoria of that brilliant moment now has an asterisk beside it.

Only Stephenson knows the answer to those questions.

And it’s because of those questions, hovering over a player who has bet on outcomes in games he played, that the AFL brought down the hammer.

Integrity is paramount. It has to be.

Above everything else in this game we love, we have to believe the players and matches are played on their merits.

We can argue about the penalty being too harsh or too soft, or that it was cosy he could still play finals, and how much weight his self-reporting carried.

And none of those arguments would be right or wrong.

Ten games and $20,000 seems about right.

Had the AFL given him a season ban, that would’ve been OK, too.

The AFL’s role is to hold people to account when it comes to integrity — on and off the field.

Stephenson is 20. He was an idiot. Most 20-year-olds are at some point.

His mistake, however, was magnified because it threatened the integrity of his sport.

He had to cop a decent whack.

Stephenson will need support and he will receive it.

By now, he will have been asked why he did it, which is the essence of the problem of gambling within the AFL.

When gambling counsellor Jan Beames said she believed that gambling was an epidemic in the AFL, she was howled down.

It betrayed the important point she was trying to make.

That football clubs were awash with punting clubs and syndicates, that young players were groomed by older teammates already on the punt, that young men with money and time were risk takers and vulnerable.

Stephenson would’ve been asked why he felt compelled to gamble when alarm bells should’ve been ringing in his head.

So why did he do it? It couldn’t be about the money because it was $36 all up.

There’s a story to be told and lessons to be learnt for him and every other player.

Beames said players who gambled often had anxiety issues, some stemming from childhood. Others chased the adrenaline off the field as much as they experienced on it.

We don’t know with Stephenson, but he choked up on Wednesday when he spoke to the media. He was devastated.

The AFL is renewing its gambling sponsorship to the tune of $10 million.

The agreement allows the AFL to examine betting moves on players, coaches and people in the industry to ensure integrity. That’s the main positive.

The negative is a saturation of gambling ads and odds.

The AFL can’t be blamed for everything that hurts the world, but it can be accused of being an accessory.

 

[jackcass]

It is simplistic to assume that if there's a buck in any endeavour the AFL should dive in.

Hmmmm point missed.

The AFL isn't responsible for gambling advertising.

The AFL contributes to the money made by gambling companies and is therefore entitled to a share of that, much as the players claim they're entitled to a share of AFL revenues. They're not diving in to any old endeavor to grab a quick buck.

Is it only Clubs that have a moral compass and sold their pokie interests?

Why doesn't the AFL follow the lead?

The AFL doesn't have pokies that I'm aware of, never have, so they're in fact leading the way on that.

On the main board, on the same debate a school bus driver posted that his primary school age passengers frequently discuss AFL odds for upcoming games.
That's a very sad state of affairs that will only ensure earlier adoption of regular gambling and therefore the prospects of problem gambling longer term.

With AFL odds advertising plastered everywhere, before, during and after every match is it any wonder these kids are being indoctrinated.

And did the bus driver know for sure where the interest in odds was derived? Was it definitively the AFL? Was it the adds on TV? Was it the adds on radio? Was it the adds in print media? Could it have been adds seen watching soccer? Could it have been cricket? Could it have been motor racing? Could it have been racing? Could it have been a family interest? Is the interest so prevalent and/or obvious now purely because every kid on a school bus has mobile phone? What advertising was displayed inside his bus? Long bow to sheet all the blame down to the AFL.

 

[JezzasOnTheAsphalt]

Makes sense.

Only thing is.. he didn't report it for investigation.

He did eventually, after being pushed. Of course very possible he wouldn't have reported it or realised the severity of his actions had this push not happened.

 

[jackcass]

My employer can't stop me discussing a move to another employer while I'm still under contract.
My employer has never forced me to work for them for 8 years before I can openly seek employment with whom ever I want.
My employer has never penalized or fined me for breaking work place rules.
My employer has never insisted I stop socialising with disreputable characters.

AFL is NOT a normal employer bound by law eg. many of the above would be considered restraint of trade issues but the Clubs/players happily comply.
So the AFL taking the step of blocking AFL betting on accounts I suspect would be another example and would likely be applauded by Clubs.

In the early 80's I was fined $50 under the Public Service act for telling my supervisor what I thought of him. It's not a new thing.

You're right, the AFL is not a normal employer. Not many employers offer starting salaries in excess of $100k for what is essentially a hobby for the vast majority of the population, and done for next to nothing. Players remain fully in control of their options, they can sign on and accept the terms, or they can seek alternate employment.

 

[PicaBoo]

I said I wouldn't post about this anymore but Sir Robinson has spoken...……….enjoy.

AFL came down hard on Magpie Jaidyn Stephenson for betting and rightly so, Mark Robinson writes

Jaidyn Stephenson unleashed a stunning 65m torpedo that brought the house down in Collingwood’s Round 9 clash with St Kilda. But the euphoria of that brilliant moment now has an asterisk beside it, Mark Robinson writes.


Jaidyn Stephenson was dealt with appropriately.
He bet on Collingwood games he played in and bet on the performances of himself and his teammates.

Forget that he only bet $36.

It’s about the possibilities.

The AFL said it investigated the bets, viewed the games he bet on and decided Stephenson didn’t have an impact on the games.

They must be mind readers.

How could the AFL really know what Stephenson was thinking with ball in hand? Did he kick for goal when he should have passed the ball? Did he pass the ball to certain teammates to boost their stats? Did he play tempo football to try to keep the margin within his bets? Does he tell mates who his team is tagging this week?

In one of those games, Round 9 against St Kilda, Stephenson kicked a torpedo goal from 65m with two minutes to play. It was his third goal for the match. Did he opt to go the torp and not pass to a teammate to help get his multi up?


The euphoria of that brilliant moment now has an asterisk beside it.

Apart from Robbo leading the obligatory sniping where Collingwood is involved, I can't really fault him for this.
Stevo has exactly done that what is said. He has put doubt in the minds of a lot of people where his motives and actions on field are concerned. Imho far worse then whatever JdG did as that was an off field discretion.

 

[CFC2010]

Apart from Robbo leading the obligatory sniping where Collingwood is involved, I can't really fault him for this.
Stevo has exactly done that what is said. He has put doubt in the minds of a lot of people where his motives and actions on field are concerned. Imho far worse then whatever JdG did as that was an off field discretion.

I agree Picaboo.

Only has himself to blame.

 

[sr36]

I said I wouldn't post about this anymore but Sir Robinson has spoken...……….enjoy.

AFL came down hard on Magpie Jaidyn Stephenson for betting and rightly so, Mark Robinson writes

Jaidyn Stephenson unleashed a stunning 65m torpedo that brought the house down in Collingwood’s Round 9 clash with St Kilda. But the euphoria of that brilliant moment now has an asterisk beside it, Mark Robinson writes.


Jaidyn Stephenson was dealt with appropriately.
He bet on Collingwood games he played in and bet on the performances of himself and his teammates.

Forget that he only bet $36.

It’s about the possibilities.

The AFL said it investigated the bets, viewed the games he bet on and decided Stephenson didn’t have an impact on the games.

They must be mind readers.

How could the AFL really know what Stephenson was thinking with ball in hand? Did he kick for goal when he should have passed the ball? Did he pass the ball to certain teammates to boost their stats? Did he play tempo football to try to keep the margin within his bets? Does he tell mates who his team is tagging this week?

In one of those games, Round 9 against St Kilda, Stephenson kicked a torpedo goal from 65m with two minutes to play. It was his third goal for the match. Did he opt to go the torp and not pass to a teammate to help get his multi up?

The euphoria of that brilliant moment now has an asterisk beside it.

Only Stephenson knows the answer to those questions.

And it’s because of those questions, hovering over a player who has bet on outcomes in games he played, that the AFL brought down the hammer.

Integrity is paramount. It has to be.

Above everything else in this game we love, we have to believe the players and matches are played on their merits.

We can argue about the penalty being too harsh or too soft, or that it was cosy he could still play finals, and how much weight his self-reporting carried.

And none of those arguments would be right or wrong.

Ten games and $20,000 seems about right.

Had the AFL given him a season ban, that would’ve been OK, too.

The AFL’s role is to hold people to account when it comes to integrity — on and off the field.

Stephenson is 20. He was an idiot. Most 20-year-olds are at some point.

His mistake, however, was magnified because it threatened the integrity of his sport.

He had to cop a decent whack.

Stephenson will need support and he will receive it.

By now, he will have been asked why he did it, which is the essence of the problem of gambling within the AFL.

When gambling counsellor Jan Beames said she believed that gambling was an epidemic in the AFL, she was howled down.

It betrayed the important point she was trying to make.

That football clubs were awash with punting clubs and syndicates, that young players were groomed by older teammates already on the punt, that young men with money and time were risk takers and vulnerable.

Stephenson would’ve been asked why he felt compelled to gamble when alarm bells should’ve been ringing in his head.

So why did he do it? It couldn’t be about the money because it was $36 all up.

There’s a story to be told and lessons to be learnt for him and every other player.

Beames said players who gambled often had anxiety issues, some stemming from childhood. Others chased the adrenaline off the field as much as they experienced on it.

We don’t know with Stephenson, but he choked up on Wednesday when he spoke to the media. He was devastated.

The AFL is renewing its gambling sponsorship to the tune of $10 million.

The agreement allows the AFL to examine betting moves on players, coaches and people in the industry to ensure integrity. That’s the main positive.

The negative is a saturation of gambling ads and odds.

The AFL can’t be blamed for everything that hurts the world, but it can be accused of being an accessory.

The Eddie Betts goal should have an asterisk beside it. He clearly should have centred the ball, but selfishly wanted to notch up a win in a trash talking competition with Stack.

 

[Bad Horse]

I said I wouldn't post about this anymore but Sir Robinson has spoken...……….enjoy.

AFL came down hard on Magpie Jaidyn Stephenson for betting and rightly so, Mark Robinson writes

Jaidyn Stephenson unleashed a stunning 65m torpedo that brought the house down in Collingwood’s Round 9 clash with St Kilda. But the euphoria of that brilliant moment now has an asterisk beside it, Mark Robinson writes.


Jaidyn Stephenson was dealt with appropriately.
He bet on Collingwood games he played in and bet on the performances of himself and his teammates.

Forget that he only bet $36.

It’s about the possibilities.

The AFL said it investigated the bets, viewed the games he bet on and decided Stephenson didn’t have an impact on the games.

They must be mind readers.

How could the AFL really know what Stephenson was thinking with ball in hand? Did he kick for goal when he should have passed the ball? Did he pass the ball to certain teammates to boost their stats? Did he play tempo football to try to keep the margin within his bets? Does he tell mates who his team is tagging this week?

In one of those games, Round 9 against St Kilda, Stephenson kicked a torpedo goal from 65m with two minutes to play. It was his third goal for the match. Did he opt to go the torp and not pass to a teammate to help get his multi up?

The euphoria of that brilliant moment now has an asterisk beside it.

Only Stephenson knows the answer to those questions.

And it’s because of those questions, hovering over a player who has bet on outcomes in games he played, that the AFL brought down the hammer.

Integrity is paramount. It has to be.

Above everything else in this game we love, we have to believe the players and matches are played on their merits.

We can argue about the penalty being too harsh or too soft, or that it was cosy he could still play finals, and how much weight his self-reporting carried.

And none of those arguments would be right or wrong.

Ten games and $20,000 seems about right.

Had the AFL given him a season ban, that would’ve been OK, too.

The AFL’s role is to hold people to account when it comes to integrity — on and off the field.

Stephenson is 20. He was an idiot. Most 20-year-olds are at some point.

His mistake, however, was magnified because it threatened the integrity of his sport.

He had to cop a decent whack.

Stephenson will need support and he will receive it.

By now, he will have been asked why he did it, which is the essence of the problem of gambling within the AFL.

When gambling counsellor Jan Beames said she believed that gambling was an epidemic in the AFL, she was howled down.

It betrayed the important point she was trying to make.

That football clubs were awash with punting clubs and syndicates, that young players were groomed by older teammates already on the punt, that young men with money and time were risk takers and vulnerable.

Stephenson would’ve been asked why he felt compelled to gamble when alarm bells should’ve been ringing in his head.

So why did he do it? It couldn’t be about the money because it was $36 all up.

There’s a story to be told and lessons to be learnt for him and every other player.

Beames said players who gambled often had anxiety issues, some stemming from childhood. Others chased the adrenaline off the field as much as they experienced on it.

We don’t know with Stephenson, but he choked up on Wednesday when he spoke to the media. He was devastated.

The AFL is renewing its gambling sponsorship to the tune of $10 million.

The agreement allows the AFL to examine betting moves on players, coaches and people in the industry to ensure integrity. That’s the main positive.

The negative is a saturation of gambling ads and odds.

The AFL can’t be blamed for everything that hurts the world, but it can be accused of being an accessory.

Thats kind of mostly uncommonly balanced for Robbo, so I assume someone else wrote it.

 

[CFC2010]

The Eddie Betts goal should have an asterisk beside it. He clearly should have centred the ball, but selfishly wanted to notch up a win in a trash talking competition with Stack.

Eddie is/was a punter so you might be onto something sr36.

 

[sr36]

Thats kind of mostly uncommonly balanced for Robbo, so I assume someone else wrote it.

I'm glad you said mostly. All the "Did he" stuff. Someone has done something wrong, lets imply that he probably did far worse.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

might be one change minimum tonight.

Once Sunday nights done, we can finally move on to think only 9 games to go....

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I'm glad you said mostly. All the "Did he" stuff. Someone has done something wrong, lets imply that he probably did far worse.

That’s the worst part; gives all the dwellers a chance at a snipe....

Part of the whole deal I guess.

 

[Bad Horse]

I'm glad you said mostly. All the "Did he" stuff. Someone has done something wrong, lets imply that he probably did far worse.

He mostly comes out at night.

Mostly.