Confirmed Jake Carlisle [traded w/ #23 and #44 for #5, #24 and Craig Bird]

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Yep and the PSD is just rubbish. Why on earth would Jake want to go to Carlton?

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His main objection is to get out of Essendon and as fast as possible... He doesn't care about what Essendon get for him. "This F****** club" - that's what he has to say about Essendon. He is just going through the motions now on the advice of his manager.
 

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His main objection is to get out of Essendon and as fast as possible... He doesn't care about what Essendon get for him. "This F****** club" - that's what he has to say about Essendon. He is just going through the motions now on the advice of his manager.
So he's going to go to a club that is more ******? Surely you jest.
 
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Yeah and Silvagni mentioned PSD and he wasn't impressed.

Carlton are a long shot if they don't go to 7 figures.
Two very big statements made by you.

First Statement re Silvagni mentioning PSD. Were you in the meeting with Jake and Silvagni?

Second Statement re Carlton needing to go to 7 figures! Are you for real? Is your name Adrian? Get a grip; no club will pay anywhere near $1m per season for Carlisle. Who do you think he is?
 

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No club is more stuffed than Essendon..
Seriously?
Your players of worth who you want to remain at the club are cripps, Doherty and ...................
You have Gibbs, Jamison, simpson and Murphy who are going to have to endure ANOTHER rebuild.
Kruezer, yarran and Menzel have all been thrown out as trade bait
Henderson is gone
Your young kids are coming through are ........ Cripps Buckley Doherty
Wait I will watch the northern blues in the vfl finals. Hang on I can't as they are a basket case.
Essendon have the spectre of wada about to finally end. If we get a favourable resolution 2016 we start afresh
We lose Carlisle which is terrible
We lose Melksham which is not terrible especially if we get a pick for him
We have a Daniher Heppell z merrett Laverde Langford and Edwards as a fairly decent young core with hooker Hurley Stanton Watson baguley hibberd as solid experienced players.
We finally have control of a decent vfl side and we get back into the draft.
We have a world class training centre and like Carlton we will have a new coach who will bring new ideas.
Your club is a taxidermists wet dream pal.
 

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Yep would slot in nicely.
Dogs are very good already this year - throw in Carlisle and a fit un-injured Liberatore and they will be close to top 4.
Yep, reackon this is about right. Dogs pick will end up being about the right value for Carlisle, they have a young list and therefore he fits the profile and they will have room in the cap. I guess the WADA thing is the big unknown but I don't think clubs can really factor that into the equation too much. He might get suspended for 12 months probably fits in the same catagory as he might do his ACL. Of course it is a risk but impossible to quantify. The one interessting aside is that obviously WADA suspended players do not get paid so the risk is only about lost time and how long a club will need to wait for a return on their investment. Dogs paid good money for Boyd who they knew was a few years away from dominating the competition.

Every trade in every year is made under that back drop of the PSD and in almost all cases, the club gets about what the player is worth. Carlisle won't go through to the PSD; he is too valuable and someone will stump up the cash that he deserves and the pick that Essendon deserve. Even if he nominates Carlton, which I doubt he will due to the current state of our list, Carlton will need to offer something that prevents Essendon shopping him around too much. As it happens, Carlton have nothting to offer Esssendon unless they decide to trade away the pick they get for Henderson or Yarren. Think Carlisle to Dogs makes a lot of sense.
 

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Why do players want their previous club to be compensated? If the rumours are true Carlisle isn't very impressed with Carlton suggesting to him they want him in PSD. Why?

Jake wants out of Essendon so wouldn't the future strength of Carlton, assuming that was his destination, be of more of more importance than Essendon?

I mean imagine if Judd had have said to Weagles "thanks for the memories guys but I want to win flags at Carlton, and me plus Kennedy and those draft picks will be required. I'll go PSD to them".

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Because we all want to leave on good terms. No different to our own employment. It is important to leave on good terms.
 

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Everyone take their vindictive hats off for a second. Carlisle is worth a 1st rounder no doubt WADA or no WADA. AA caliber defender.
As it stands right now, Carlton have picks 1, 20ish, late 30ish and so on. Now as everyone keeps telling us we are the worst club ever known to man and the only way out is through the draft. Therefore we won't giving pick 1. Now we might be prepared to give up pick 20 for Carlisle but that won't satisfy Essendon. That's fine.
If Carlisle chooses Carlton it is not Carlton screwing over Essendon it is Carlisle. Carlisle and his manager no the our predicament and that's the best we can offer. The only way Essendon will get fairly compensated is Carlisle choosing a middle of the table club so you better hope he does. Because if he chooses us it is not us screwing you over but Carlisle.
 

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Is the WADA crap an attempt at a troll? The evidence presented at the tribunal last year didn't get past the first hurdle. WADA has no new evidence and this tribunal has a higher level of burden upon the prosecutors. Furthermore, the players will have been dragged through the mud for nearly 3 years when the case is done and even McDingleberry has said this will be taken into account.

If they were guilty of doping and had failed a test they would have all been back playing at the start of this year. Surely you can see this is a dummy spit by McDingleberry. He has funded WADA's case so that it is the most drawn out process possible, rather than appeal the original decision. WADA is obviously interested in testing where comfortably satisfied is if someone else wants to pay for it.

So we have a tiny tiny chance of a guilty verdict and if by some Perry Mason inspired moment there is a guilty verdict then it'll be a wet lettuce leaf.

So stop bringing up WADA as a bargaining chip. The only thing that matters is that he's uncontacted and the fallout from WADA has the club in a shit place with no coach, hence a weakened bargaining position.

He won't be leaving a club left rudderless by the black cloud of depression to a club that is currently trying to rebuild the worst list seen in modern times. Jake loved the club in 2013 becaause they were looking promising. He'll want to go somewhere he can enjoy his footy. Saints and Dogs clearly are young exciting teams that would get a massive boost from a 200cm CHB who was a bees dick from AA when he was 21. Sydney and Hawthorn have aging and fading key backs who could be replaced.

There will be a contest for his signature.

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Everyone take their vindictive hats off for a second. Carlisle is worth a 1st rounder no doubt WADA or no WADA. AA caliber defender.
As it stands right now, Carlton have picks 1, 20ish, late 30ish and so on. Now as everyone keeps telling us we are the worst club ever known to man and the only way out is through the draft. Therefore we won't giving pick 1. Now we might be prepared to give up pick 20 for Carlisle but that won't satisfy Essendon. That's fine.
If Carlisle chooses Carlton it is not Carlton screwing over Essendon it is Carlisle. Carlisle and his manager no the our predicament and that's the best we can offer. The only way Essendon will get fairly compensated is Carlisle choosing a middle of the table club so you better hope he does. Because if he chooses us it is not us screwing you over but Carlisle.
You are right mate. A Carlton/Essendon deal for Carlisle could get messy because Carlton won't give up their #1 draft pick & rightfully so. But their end of first round or first second round pick wouldn't keep Essendon happy & again rightfully so. Carlisle's true & fair value is somewhere in the middle.
 
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