Confirmed Jake Carlisle [traded w/ #23 and #44 for #5, #24 and Craig Bird]

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Which we will dig our feet in over. Not sure we'll smile and accept unders (again) because jakes contract is costing st kilda a bit more than anticipated. If i were in essendons shoes, an 800k contract means i want pick 5, and if it isn't offered, I call afl mediation in. Players on those contracts are clearly top end talents and as such, since this isn't free agency, an equitable trade is a high draft pick.
It's mediation not arbitration. As such the afl can do nothing if one party won't budge.
 

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Listening to Dodoro, he said Carlisle has met with Carlton. Said he will meet with Saints and Doggies on Carlisle's return.

If that is correct, you'd think there was more early interest on him joining Carlton. If I was going for a new role, I would go to my first choice first but keep the other options open in case the first choice didn't work out.

Doesn't have to always be this way I know but would be the case in 90% of cases. The only reason he could be coming to Carlton is he knows 1/2 blokes and he sees big money contract at a club that has no star players. Hurley biting into his contract dollars at Essendon etc.

Not sure I want him at a premium price which totally complicates things. I do believe Bombers should be at least fairly compensated just not on the premium scale (5-12) because the player wants out. Back end of the first round is that range. Carlton are facingthe same issue with Hendo/Yarran...we wont be getting anything premium in return for those players. Not as good as Carlisle but for their level; we have to suffer a less than great return. Just the way it is.

If he ends up at Saints/Doggies...good luck to them. He is not a bullet proof player like other premiums. He can go wrong.
 

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We will have the announcement Thursday that Jake has asked to be traded to Western Bulldogs.

Bombers want pick 11 and 30
Bulldogs want to give pick 30 and Talia

Carlton only offering 3 year deal
St Kilda want to use second round pick only and a player? 5 year deal
Bulldogs offered 4 year deal with the promise of CHB position a lock by the coach..

This is not a rumor and I would rather my club went for Tomlinson GWS
why has your coached completely refuted the idea then?
 

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not hard to work out why beveridge went whack on the radio today. i'd say he knows what the lay of the land is given his connection to one of the two other clubs
 

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Listening to Dodoro, he said Carlisle has met with Carlton. Said he will meet with Saints and Doggies on Carlisle's return.

If that is correct, you'd think there was more early interest on him joining Carlton. If I was going for a new role, I would go to my first choice first but keep the other options open in case the first choice didn't work out.
As has been mentioned plenty of times, Carlisle met with us prior to his overseas holiday, a good 2 or 3 weeks ago.
 

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Which we will dig our feet in over. Not sure we'll smile and accept unders (again) because jakes contract is costing st kilda a bit more than anticipated.
Fair enough, we won't dig our feet in, we'll walk away.

If i were in essendons shoes, an 800k contract means i want pick 5, and if it isn't offered, I call afl mediation in.
Essendon calling mediation in? Let's be honest, as a threat it's minimal.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...over-patrick-ryder-trade-20141015-116fst.html

spoiler, Essendon accepted Port's initial offer.

I understand the bluff and bluster, but quite frankly his outbursts have reduced his trade value by about 10 draft spots.

Players on those contracts are clearly top end talents and as such, since this isn't free agency, an equitable trade is a high draft pick.
As it's not free agency and he's uncontracted, a price and the draft is another option.

Personal opinion is it will get done at a price somewhere between pick 10 and the Paddy Ryder deal. To whom, I have no idea.
 

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Money comes into the equation, as much as beverage doesn't want it to.
Yep, it does. It was interesting that a large % of the older ones in the comp now view footy as more of a job than a passion and I dare say after all Jake has gone through at Essendon he is very much in that boat and as such he wants to get the maximum financial return from his "job", just as so many in other industries or vocations do.

Hopefully he'll get his enjoyment for the game back at his new club, but at this point in time he probably just views it more as his job.
 

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Fair enough, we won't dig our feet in, we'll walk away.



Essendon calling mediation in? Let's be honest, as a threat it's minimal.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...over-patrick-ryder-trade-20141015-116fst.html

spoiler, Essendon accepted Port's initial offer.

I understand the bluff and bluster, but quite frankly his outbursts have reduced his trade value by about 10 draft spots.



As it's not free agency and he's uncontracted, a price and the draft is another option.

Personal opinion is it will get done at a price somewhere between pick 10 and the Paddy Ryder deal. To whom, I have no idea.
Um, no they didn't. Port's initial offer was 17 by itself. Try again.
 

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Port tried to trade players as well. They just weren't going to force any. If port had pick5 it would have been done almost first day.
If future picks were in play the deal would have been done day 1, because IIRC Port would have traded 2014 and 2015 1st round picks for him.

Heh. Imagine going in with 4, 5 and 10 this year.
 

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If future picks were in play the deal would have been done day 1, because IIRC Port would have traded 2014 and 2015 1st round picks for him.

Heh. Imagine going in with 4, 5 and 10 this year.
If we get a 2nd round for Melksham then maybe trade two second rounds for pick 8 as well. Then 4, 5, 8 and 10 would be even better.

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If we get a 2nd round for Melksham then maybe trade two second rounds for pick 8 as well. Then 4, 5, 8 and 10 would be even better.

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And maybe you'll get a BJ from a supermodel tonight...

Maybe take your fantasies to the Bombers Board?
 

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And maybe you'll get a BJ from a supermodel tonight...

Maybe take your fantasies to the Bombers Board?
Theoretically it's sound. 23 + 25 equates to more points in academy bidding than pick 8 so it does help GWS (who will have to use 8 to match on Hopper anyway)
 

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Fair enough, we won't dig our feet in, we'll walk away.

Essendon calling mediation in? Let's be honest, as a threat it's minimal.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...over-patrick-ryder-trade-20141015-116fst.html

spoiler, Essendon accepted Port's initial offer.
Your coach has said through the media how he's gunning for Jakey.
With your current forward and midfield development, he'd round out your backline very nicely.

spoiler alert, Port had a late first rounder, they didn't have the currency which was unfortunate. They gave up their first two picks.

Dodoro said on a recent podcast that he had nothing but praise for the PA list management team.

If he does nominate St Kilda, well, pick 5 is very good currency to work a deal around.

IMHO, it'll definitely be involved.
 
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Your coach has said through the media how he's gunning for Jakey.
With your current forward and midfield development, he'd round out your backline very nicely.

spoiler alert, Port had a late first rounder, they didn't have the currency which was unfortunate. They gave up their first two picks.

Dodoro said on a recent podcast that he had nothing but praise for the PA list management team.

If he does nominate St Kilda, well, pick 5 is very good currency to work a deal around.

IMHO, it'll definitely be involved.
If he nominates StKilda , and Essendon stick to their guns and demand pick 5 , and StKilda refuse. What will happen?
 

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If he nominates StKilda , and Essendon stick to their guns and demand pick 5 , and StKilda refuse. What will happen?
More of the same like last year. I imagine our second rounder will be involved. AFL mediation etc.

Just my opinion, but I don't think your recruitment staff will want to recruit jake without parting with a decent pick. Bad for business and future trading if you leverage a club with no real consideration
 

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If he does nominate St Kilda, well, pick 5 is very good currency to work a deal around.

IMHO, it'll definitely be involved.
It may be involved, but perhaps indirectly.

ie Saints trade Freo pick 5 for a player or two plus Freos first pick, which then goes to the Don's for Carlisle.

There are lots of permutations, but I would be most surprised if it was Carlisle as a straight swap for 5.
 
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