Confirmed Jake Carlisle [traded w/ #23 and #44 for #5, #24 and Craig Bird]

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GWS were offering pick 4 for Ryder but unfortunately went to a club who didn't have currency to trade so had to accept what was offered unlike the Saints this year.
Port had currency in the form of good players, they could've traded one or some, they just didn't want to. We could trade pick 5, we just don't want to.
 

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Cheers. :thumbsu:

We'll keep doing trades on the side and you keep drawing out the Carlisle and Freeman trades.
I guess the simple question is, would u rather have the main trade done with potentially pick 5 or pick 10 or a first rounder than the other little non consequential trades u have done? Is anyone u have traded in going to be a game changer/club builder?
 
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Port had currency in the form of good players, they could've traded one or some, they just didn't want to. We could trade pick 5, we just don't want to.
Of course they didn't want to as they concocted the loophole threat to make sure he got there cheap. They had us by the balls in more ways than 1 and there was nothing we could do.

But this time it's different and it's time to payback Port and withdraw from the 4 way trade, instead of helping them, and chase a fair deal involving 5.

Failing that work on Carlisle to the Hawks and if he stays adamant that he won't go there tell him that he can go to the PSD and take his chances there.

The time of Essendon being everyones bitch is coming to and end and once we get through the WADA shit it's time to start regaining some power and show clubs that

 

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But this time it's different and it's time to payback Port and withdraw from the 4 way trade, instead of helping them, and chase a fair deal involving 5.
Unfortunately, if the Saints judge that the man they want in the draft will still be there at 10, they can do the Port trade anyway. The player they want and a 2016 first rounder is a great deal and takes 5 out of the equation.

It depends on who the Saints are after in this draft, of course.
 

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Ameet Bains: highly qualified contract lawyer, transformed St Kilda's list from salary cap disaster with rapidly ageing stars to something with some amount of potential
Adrain Dodoro: Started working for Essendon in 1980s, never left. Took over Essendon recruiting in mid 2000s, team gone nowhere.
Had to deal with Sheedy and his crazy recruiting plans for half of that time and then had to deal with ASADA. I would say, completely level playing field...

I'd also say we were tracking alright before this ASADA bullshit occurred.
 

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The problem is that Essendon's third round pick is not sufficient compensation for the Swans, with Sydney only willing to move pick 14 if it receives an adequate number of points.

Trading pick 14 for picks 24 and pick 44 (the Bombers' third round pick) would see the Swans lose, not gain, points. The Bombers have so far not been willing to give up either pick 23 or 25.



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I dare say they haven't reported the whole deal there and that we'd be giving up more than just pick 5.

Essendon could potentially win big-time as a result of this trade, as it leaves them with picks 23 and 25 still in the bag and if they're able to trade them to GWS for pick 8, then they end up with 4, 8 and 10, which would be bloody huge.

There's no way they do a deal with us for pick 5 that doesn't include them packaging up at least one of 23 or 25 with Jake, so this is the way they can end up with 3 of the top 10, rather than 4, 5 and 23/25.

If they walk away from the trade period having turned Carlisle, Melksham and pick 23 into picks 8 and 10 they've done extremely well for themselves. Extremely well.

I am a bit confused as to why we'd want to have two first rounders next year and none this year though, given where we're at in the rebuild. That makes me wonder whether we might have something up our sleeves to trade that future first to GWS (who apparently will need lots more points next year) for something.
Because Dixon kicks bags of goals and actually wants to play forward (and will also pinch-hit in the ruck, which makes him dual-purpose and more valuable), whereas Carlisle only wants to play down back and as I've been saying for ages, those who play forward to a high level have greater currency than their defensive equivalents.

Are you feeling Ok ?

You said we win big because we could still have pick 23 & 25, these picks belong to us legitimately one via a trade the other as allocated by the AFL.

It really shits me how saints fans want to package picks to get something back, its simple you want the player you pay if both clubs agree on his value then pay up and if you don't have pick 10 then pay pick 5. Stiff Shit

Let me predict the response PSD ? Pffftt
 

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Classic ball bounces the wrong way and then the saints take the gas and get smashed the next week
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The problem is that Essendon's third round pick is not sufficient compensation for the Swans, with Sydney only willing to move pick 14 if it receives an adequate number of points.

Trading pick 14 for picks 24 and pick 44 (the Bombers' third round pick) would see the Swans lose, not gain, points. The Bombers have so far not been willing to give up either pick 23 or 25.



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So in your honest opinion what is JC worth ? Pick 10 ?
 

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The problem is that Essendon's third round pick is not sufficient compensation for the Swans, with Sydney only willing to move pick 14 if it receives an adequate number of points.

Trading pick 14 for picks 24 and pick 44 (the Bombers' third round pick) would see the Swans lose, not gain, points. The Bombers have so far not been willing to give up either pick 23 or 25.



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Another win for both clubs, obviously Dodoro won't go for it though because it's a win for us.
 

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Been out since this morning and have heard nothing about this since, so what's the latest? Are we there yet?
looks like the GC Port trade is dead in the water

latest is Sydney getting involved. would take something like
STK Lose: Pick 5, Pick 24
STK Gain: Carlisle, Pick 14
ESS Lose: Carlisle, Pick 25
ESS Gain: Pick 5
SYD Lose: Pick 14
SYD Gain: Pick 24 and 25

but sadly dodoro wont move on pick 25, so it looks like we get him for free in the PSD
 

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looks like the GC Port trade is dead in the water

latest is Sydney getting involved. would take something like
STK Lose: Pick 5, Pick 24
STK Gain: Carlisle, Pick 14
ESS Lose: Carlisle, Pick 25
ESS Gain: Pick 5
SYD Lose: Pick 14
SYD Gain: Pick 24 and 25

but sadly dodoro wont move on pick 25, so it looks like we get him for free in the PSD
Why is Port & Suns trade in dead water?
 
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