Confirmed Jake Carlisle [traded w/ #23 and #44 for #5, #24 and Craig Bird]

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What?

Am I speaking English?
I understand your position perfectly.

You have nothing to offer other than an opinion. You have previously claimed to have inside knowledge re this matter and then admitted to lying.

Not satisfied with this, you then name call and mock the people who actually do know what's going on with Carlisle (people who have a track record of getting their shit correct).

Then when given generous odds to change your avatar in a small bet to give you the opportunity to actually back up your opinion, you go to water.

So yeah you are speaking English. Ignorant, disrespectful and weak English.
 

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I understand your position perfectly.

You have nothing to offer other than an opinion. You have previously claimed to have inside knowledge re this matter and then admitted to lying.

Not satisfied with this, you then name call and mock the people who actually do know what's going on with Carlisle (people who have a track record of getting their shit correct).

Then when given generous odds to change your avatar in a small bet to give you the opportunity to actually back up your opinion, you go to water.

So yeah you are speaking English. Ignorant, disrespectful and weak English.
I'm comfortably satisfied ...
 

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I understand your position perfectly.

You have nothing to offer other than an opinion. You have previously claimed to have inside knowledge re this matter and then admitted to lying.

Not satisfied with this, you then name call and mock the people who actually do know what's going on with Carlisle (people who have a track record of getting their shit correct).

Then when given generous odds to change your avatar in a small bet to give you the opportunity to actually back up your opinion, you go to water.

So yeah you are speaking English. Ignorant, disrespectful and weak English.
You want me to place a bet against something that I think is a good chance of happening, and failing to do so is a lack of conviction?

It’s like a parallel universe in here.

And I admitted to lying? Huh?

I suggest you go back and re-read the conversation. It’s not that difficult.

As of right now, Carlisle to Carlton is not “signed, sealed and delivered”, or “sewn up”, or “agreed”, or a “done deal in principle”, or whatever other wank label people want to give it.

It will be in future, at any one of a number of clubs who want him, be it Carlton or another. There’s a number of clubs who are interested and have contacted his manager.

Given other profile players are yet to make decisions on next year, there’s a lot of salary cap $ currently unaccounted for in 2016, as there is every year. This impacts which clubs make offers, and how much.

To suggest a player in demand has simply agreed to join a certain club before even hearing other offers isn’t just wrong, it doesn’t even make sense. People who believe it have been fed bullshit. He’d have to have the most dense, clueless manager to have ever lived. Which he doesn’t.

As an example re Carlisle: Do you think Geelong is certain what Dangerfield is doing? Do you think their acquisition or otherwise of him might maybe affect their ability to make a big offer on a player like Carlisle?

Just think. It’s not that hard.
 

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You want me to place a bet against something that I think is a good chance of happening, and failing to do so is a lack of conviction?

It’s like a parallel universe in here.

And I admitted to lying? Huh?

I suggest you go back and re-read the conversation. It’s not that difficult.

As of right now, Carlisle to Carlton is not “signed, sealed and delivered”, or “sewn up”, or “agreed”, or a “done deal in principle”, or whatever other wank label people want to give it.

It will be in future, at any one of a number of clubs who want him, be it Carlton or another. There’s a number of clubs who are interested and have contacted his manager.

Given other profile players are yet to make decisions on next year, there’s a lot of salary cap $ currently unaccounted for in 2016, as there is every year. This impacts which clubs make offers, and how much.

To suggest a player in demand has simply agreed to join a certain club before even hearing other offers isn’t just wrong, it doesn’t even make sense. People who believe it have been fed bullshit. He’d have to have the most dense, clueless manager to have ever lived. Which he doesn’t.

As an example re Carlisle: Do you think Geelong is certain what Dangerfield is doing? Do you think their acquisition or otherwise of him might maybe affect their ability to make a big offer on a player like Carlisle?

Just think. It’s not that hard.
Your whole argument is based on the premise that Carlisle hasn't made a deal yet because he hasn't heard all the offers.

Set aside for a minute that you have no inside knowledge and are arguing against people that have proven time and again that they do.

Players can and do make deals all the time without hearing offers from other clubs for varying reasons. So your whole premise is based on faulty logic. Example - Franklin calls Syd one week after the losing the GF, over season out from becoming a FA. Franklin wasn't interested in other offers, he just wanted to go to Sydney. The other flaw is that you are assuming clubs haven't already made their offers to Carlisle. Do you seriously think they wait till trade week to make offers? Clubs are sniffing other clubs players out and making offers all the time.

The mail is that Carlisle doesn't want a fuss with a trade and therefore has selected Carlton as they are the Melbourne club with the first PSD pick. In short, like Franklin, Carlisle has chosen his club, he doesn't need to hear other offers as he has made his decision (or he has heard all offers and made a decision). Either way the deal is pretty much done according to posters that know. Using faulty logic to dispute this might make you feel better, but it ain't changing anything.

Just think. It’s not that hard.
 
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The mail is that Carlisle doesn't want a fuss with a trade and therefore has selected Carlton as they are the Melbourne club with the first PSD pick. In short, like Franklin, Carlisle has chosen his club, he doesn't need to hear other offers as he has made his decision (or he has heard all offers and made a decision). Either way the deal is pretty much done according to posters that know. Using faulty logic to dispute this might make you feel better, but it ain't changing anything.
Mark Harvey disagrees.
 

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Who's feeding you this? You sound pretty definitive with what you are saying, which contradicts everything else I have heard.
So, you are claiming to know his manager? His manager has told you all mentioned?
So you don't know his manager?
You have previously claimed to have inside knowledge re this matter and then admitted to lying.
And I admitted to lying? Huh?

I suggest you go back and re-read the conversation. It’s not that difficult.

Ohhhhhhh............. That lie.
 
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Essendon supporters need to get it into our collective heads that in this deal we are not in a position of supreme power with the spectre of carltank with strong psd position hovering.
If jake chose st Kilda my guess would be we would get their first round pick and they would get Carlisle and perhaps our second round pick.
Our club president wrote in a letter to members that the club had let all players down only yesterday. I think our players could mount a case for their contracts to be voided if they so desired.
We are really fortunate carltank have a list that stinks worse than ours, no coach (though ours is dubious) and seemingly players who have questionable futures Henderson, yar ran and Mendel.
Jake may still choose the money and land there anyway and get to play at chb at a poor team a long way off the pace which truthfully we are as well.


And they'll be marching back to Moorabbin if they offer us their second round pick+spud.
 

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And they'll be marching back to Moorabbin if they offer us their second round pick+spud.
Well if I was master of the universe I would offer your mob our first pick and that is more than fair. Yall need draft picks and we need quality down back. Win win.

Or in Bigfooty language, our second rounder and Josh Saunders....
 

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Essendon supporters need to get it into our collective heads that in this deal we are not in a position of supreme power with the spectre of carltank with strong psd position hovering.
If jake chose st Kilda my guess would be we would get their first round pick and they would get Carlisle and perhaps our second round pick.
Our club president wrote in a letter to members that the club had let all players down only yesterday. I think our players could mount a case for their contracts to be voided if they so desired.
We are really fortunate carltank have a list that stinks worse than ours, no coach (though ours is dubious) and seemingly players who have questionable futures Henderson, yar ran and Mendel.
Jake may still choose the money and land there anyway and get to play at chb at a poor team a long way off the pace which truthfully we are as well.
Sacre Bleu....an honest, pragmatic Essendon supporter. I salute you.

As a pragmatic Blues supporter, Carlisle would add a great deal to our team. But, in a rebuild phase, we cannot afford to
outlay high draft picks or required players on an individual who is worse than even money to be facing a 1 or 2 year ban.
He is young enough to serve that time and then make a significant contribution to any target club, so it its fascinating.
No direct slight on Essendon or vindictive attempt to "screw you over", but I would be livid if we did not use the PSD
option to obtain Carlisle (assuming reports linking us are true)
 

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St Kilda another club making an offer for a player who's already signed for Carlton

St Kilda are not sure what chance they stand of landing Carlisle, and are acutely aware of the competition they face. Carlton, the Western Bulldogs, North Melbourne and Fremantle have also been linked to Carlisle, whose stocks rose following the re-signing of Alex Rance by Richmond in the middle of the year.

The Dockers have publicly stated though that they do not expect him to shift from Victoria. A source close to the Bombers has suggested that Carlisle is seeking close to $700,000 next year, with Essendon reluctant to part with such a sizeable chunk of their salary cap.
http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/st-kilda-chase-essendon-tall-jake-carlisle-20150810-givypr.html
 

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Your whole argument is based on the premise that Carlisle hasn't made a deal yet because he hasn't heard all the offers.

Set aside for a minute that you have no inside knowledge and are arguing against people that have proven time and again that they do.

Players can and do make deals all the time without hearing offers from other clubs for varying reasons. So your whole premise is based on faulty logic. Example - Franklin calls Syd one week after the losing the GF, over season out from becoming a FA. Franklin wasn't interested in other offers, he just wanted to go to Sydney. The other flaw is that you are assuming clubs haven't already made their offers to Carlisle. Do you seriously think they wait till trade week to make offers? Clubs are sniffing other clubs players out and making offers all the time.

The mail is that Carlisle doesn't want a fuss with a trade and therefore has selected Carlton as they are the Melbourne club with the first PSD pick. In short, like Franklin, Carlisle has chosen his club, he doesn't need to hear other offers as he has made his decision (or he has heard all offers and made a decision). Either way the deal is pretty much done according to posters that know. Using faulty logic to dispute this might make you feel better, but it ain't changing anything.

Just think. It’s not that hard.
LOL

Okey then
 

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A person on our board who generally has excellent mail posted that he was nominating us and almost a certainty, but then later posted that his manager was now asking too much money and was less of a certainty. Make of that what you will.
 

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A person on our board who generally has excellent mail posted that he was nominating us and almost a certainty, but then later posted that his manager was now asking too much money and was less of a certainty. Make of that what you will.
You mean they didn't discuss $$ before agreeing on the deal?

Sounds like a done deal to me
 
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