Jake King..

[Gman]

Do you think he'll be playing the next time we play finals? I don't. He's been very handy, not dominant.

- Jurica won several games off his own boot in 1995.
- Bowden had some incredible games last year. One of the best individual games I've ever seen against Brisbane at the Dome.
- Charles was the dominant ruckman in the comp for one year

Agree
He played a very good game
on third point - great year he had!

King did 3 clanger kicks, especially the one where he kicked the ball from the wing to a waiting Tiger only to be outmarked and in turn a goal kicked. King produced another errant kick right after tha but I can't recall the 3rd as there were a few mistakes "clangers' creeping into our game.

That said I like his endeavour and his style is positive and can only be good for our team

 

[CoggaRules]

Charles really was a star - could have been anything if it weren't for injury leading to his unfortunately timed 'disgrace'...while a professional party boy like Cousins is given all the sympathy in the world and a much delayed 2nd chance. To use a mechanical analogy, Charles stole a couple of parts to get his badly broken down 4WD going again...Cousins stole a Porsche from a showroom and drove it through Collins St with one hand on the wheel, his arse hanging out and a powder white nose...flipping the bird to all and sundry with 'Feel sorry for me - I'm Ben Cousins' written on his flourescent pink tank top.

I'm not excusing either, but there's always been bad double standards in our game and there probably always will - based on 'talent' and not justice.

As for King, he's a fair dinkum goer and we all love to see that. If he can overcome his kicking and build further on his fitness, he'll be useful. The sort of bloke who'll battle his arse off for Coburg and be a great example to others when played there, and always remain a useful 24-25 player when you need him at senior level. If his kicking, vision and decision making continue to improve, he may well cement a permanent spot. He was in the wilderness this time last year and it's a great football story to see him playing senior football - I really hope he continues to improve and surprise everyone.

Dont worry dude, you see tigerheads like to, on one hand act like visionaries and spot a dud after 5 games as is the case with Jake, and on the other sit there and watch duds for 6 years and say that they are walk up starts in the 22 because they booted a couple of nice goals over the last couple of years. Or they go gaga because someone kicked a couple of goals one week, after doing Jack for 7 others, because that is what they are paid for as a HFlanker.

 

[Richo for PM]

the kid has guts and ticks all the boxes for determination and although he racks up a few posessions his kicking under pressure is rather bad and it could be his downfall

 

[CoggaRules]

the kid has guts and ticks all the boxes for determination and although he racks up a few posessions his kicking under pressure is rather bad and it could be his downfall

you mustnt have been a tiger for the last 10 years, this kind of cv got you 150 games plus for the tigers. Not a super rap for jake, but i can safely say, that after 5 games of AFL senior footy, he has shown more nouse than the perpetual duds, that were given their chance under spud and now are being given the last rites under TW. I am pretty confident that TW sees what many of us do but needs to maintain a status quo this year. Tiv Hyde and Pettifer. How many apart from them are left from the Spud era now? LMAO...the grim reaper cometh.

 

[Richo for PM]

i agree with u that under previous coaches the player management was shite but in modern day footy he may not survive. he is 23 or something so i dont think he would be given that long to improve. not trolling just giving my opinion, i watched him come through coburg and am excited by him and i love his story

 

[deliberate!!]

- Jake King missed the target by foot under zero pressure three times in a row during the last quarter of the Dreamtime game.
- Jake King's three kicks were responsible for two turnovers in the last 1/4 of the Dreamtime game.
- Jake King's 2 turnovers were responsible for 1 goal and 1 point in the Dreamtime game.

Duckboy, in your paragraph above, substitute Jake King's name for any of these guys names in recent years......Richardson, Tivendale, Johnson, J.Bowden, Hall, Pettifer, Tuck, Jackson, JON, Hughes, Newman, Hyde, etc, etc......or anyone else from the current side.

My point......all these players have at sometime made these mistakes..
And still do.
And they are ALL still playing.

So to hang King, a newbie, out to dry on some early skill errors, early in his career........is too harsh.

To pinpoint Jake King as the sole transgressor is BS.

Don't allow some to get away with something, and not others.

Don't be inconsistent.

Let's only bag Kingy if these errors persist.

 

[duckboy]

Duckboy, in your paragraph above, substitute Jake King's name for any of these guys names in recent years......Richardson, Tivendale, Johnson, J.Bowden, Hall, Pettifer, Tuck, Jackson, JON, Hughes, Newman, Hyde, etc, etc......or anyone else from the current side.

My point......all these players have at sometime made these mistakes..
And still do.
And they are ALL still playing.

So to hang King, a newbie, out to dry on some early skill errors, early in his career........is too harsh.

To pinpoint Jake King as the sole transgressor is BS.

Don't allow some to get away with something, and not others.

Don't be inconsistent.

Let's only bag Kingy if these errors persist.

You're missing the point dude. If you look back i simply said King wasn't a "star" as others has made him out to be. I also never said he was the only bloke who'd made a skill error. What you've got to look at is that he's 23, mature bodied and isn't going to improve a lot from here. He's filling a gap, doing a good job of it, and once someone 18 or 19 can do the same job as well, or slightly worse, he'll be gone.
That group of players that you've patched together there is baffling by the way. Name a player in the AFL that doesn't miss targets? Most of the first part of that list are KPP or genuine on-ballers, probably the hardest positions to play and to recruit for. Small flankers are a dime a dozen. The rest are kids that deserve a chance to improve.

 

[deliberate!!]

Name a player in the AFL that doesn't miss targets?

I'm not missing the point.....you raised the target's issue.....and applied it JUST to King...
(Check your post...I did)

Now, you should think before u post...
And think before you think!

You tell us to watch a quarter on King...
I say you should watch every quarter on the Tigers.
I can give you a hundred quarters where Richo's stuff ups have literally kept us OUT of a game, or cost us a game. (And right back to when he was a young player) So picking out King is pointless.

They all miss target's...under pressure and not under pressure.
So blaming a newbie on kick placement is not wise.

 

[heartbroken]

You're missing the point dude. If you look back i simply said King wasn't a "star" as others has made him out to be. I also never said he was the only bloke who'd made a skill error. What you've got to look at is that he's 23, mature bodied and isn't going to improve a lot from here. He's filling a gap, doing a good job of it, and once someone 18 or 19 can do the same job as well, or slightly worse, he'll be gone.
That group of players that you've patched together there is baffling by the way. Name a player in the AFL that doesn't miss targets? Most of the first part of that list are KPP or genuine on-ballers, probably the hardest positions to play and to recruit for. Small flankers are a dime a dozen. The rest are kids that deserve a chance to improve.

I disagree. He has been a late starter in the VFL and AFL. While he has a mature body, his skills will still improve as he gets more experience.

 

[Rough_Edges]

In conclusion.

RE picks a not known player to the AFL public who had just been on the rookie list to come into the side and be a contributor.

So

RE = Superstar.

 

[duckboy]

In conclusion.

RE picks a not known player to the AFL public who had just been on the rookie list to come into the side and be a contributor.

So

RE = Superstar.

Now if you're talking Supercoach, then that's a different story. In that case he's definitely a star.

 

[Kyusss]

I dont think kings skills are all that bad
he has made a few mistakes since he started but isnt that normal for a kid playing in his first handful of afl games, if your going by that logic you may aswell say shane edwards is no good he gets chased down and has no awareness and has turned the ball over a handfull of times! thats rubbish edwards obviously is gonna bulk up and not get tackled so easily and i think jake king will settle down at afl level and start hitting even more targets! Lets not forget his running goal from outside 50 a few weeks back thats something not to many Small defensive players do and as far as his defensive work he has been A+ in most fields! i rate jake king

 

[BrissyTiger]

I was the first to bag him after his debut game. he really didn't look up to the level.
I think I was wrong, Jake King has improved 50% every week and that is all you can ask.

Look at the improvement in Axel Foley!!

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Dont worry dude, you see tigerheads like to, on one hand act like visionaries and spot a dud after 5 games as is the case with Jake, and on the other sit there and watch duds for 6 years and say that they are walk up starts in the 22 because they booted a couple of nice goals over the last couple of years. Or they go gaga because someone kicked a couple of goals one week, after doing Jack for 7 others, because that is what they are paid for as a HFlanker.

I've noticed this too, these computer chair experts like to throw the word NEVER around alot regarding young players as if they're clairvoyant.
"he'll NEVER be a topline midfielder" "he'll NEVER be a consistent contributor" "he'll NEVER put on enough muscle" - it's unnecessary negative horseshit.

I like Jake he adds some much needed aggression to our backline, you never see our backs roughing up opposition forwards before the bounce, King likes to really get up his opponents nose and it's good to see. Give him a chance.

 

[_RT_]

I've noticed this too, these computer chair experts like to throw the word NEVER around alot regarding young players as if they're clairvoyant.
"he'll NEVER be a topline midfielder" "he'll NEVER be a consistent contributor" "he'll NEVER put on enough muscle" - it's unnecessary negative horseshit.

I like Jake he adds some much needed aggression to our backline, you never see our backs roughing up opposition forwards before the bounce, King likes to really get up his opponents nose and it's good to see. Give him a chance.

There is that 'n' word again.

Onto King while he has been a revelation lets not get too carried away with him. Remember he is playing well in a side full of players playing poorly. Before we annoint him the next star of Punt Rd I would like to see him be able to keep his spot when we are fully up and running. Like everything about him and the way he goes about the game and want to see him succeed at AFL level but too many times we have been easily impressed by a youngster that has had a standout season only to find ourselves calling for the kids head 12-24 months later. Only have to look at the calls being made about Raines by some on here. Last year was a potential star, this year he has poor skills, awareness and is nothing more than a late round draftee who had one good season.

 

[crashandbashruckmen]

good player

 

[Drunken Wookie]

There is that 'n' word again.

observation not prediction.

 

[CoggaRules]

I've noticed this too, these computer chair experts like to throw the word NEVER around alot regarding young players as if they're clairvoyant.
"he'll NEVER be a topline midfielder" "he'll NEVER be a consistent contributor" "he'll NEVER put on enough muscle" - it's unnecessary negative horseshit.

I like Jake he adds some much needed aggression to our backline, you never see our backs roughing up opposition forwards before the bounce, King likes to really get up his opponents nose and it's good to see. Give him a chance.

the one thing he has going for him that other more notable "walk up starts" have is that he is a smart player. i.e. he knows his limitations and also knows when he has to go beyond them if nessecary. We havent had many smart players in the recent past, Bottom line, IMO, he'll do. Whether he improves alot and becomes a 22 player or whether he improves marginally, the fact that he has a brain, should make him a senior list player. i.e. depth player. We dont only need a starting 22, we also need depth players.
Was watching the VFL game the other day and the the Geelong VFL side would smash us with the playing talent that they have in the VFL.
FFS, Hunt, Gardiner, Playfair etc cant get into the 1s down there, so you do the maths
By that i mean if a Josh HUnt came to tigerland we would be high fiving, because we had someone that could hit targets, and he is wallowing in the mire in the VFL. If GM were half the guru he is made out to be, he should be in his ear. Yeah, you might say, but he is tainted, because of that pull out last year, but yeah also, that was once, and the benefits of having a targer hitter, far outweigh the negatives of a target hitter that pulled out once.
Get your ass into gear GM, get Hunt.