Jako Back, McIntosh Dropped...

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I think I'm one of the boy boys mentioned ... but let me once again, put my stance forward. .... haynes should not be dropped, but he should not be at FF at this point in time. He should be the second forward marking choice ... behind Wilson.

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I have said before that we need a tall marking option. Richmonds midfield has performed well this season and if they break even with us on Saturday night, who's gonna provide contests in our forward 50??
 

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Haynes sucks at full forward

It's nice that the marking stats can come out, but how many of those marks were taken inside the forward 50? Haynes is not a full forward and isnt our best option at that position.
 
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Watch the Geelong game again. Haynes led superbly, took a swag of marks and, unlike Willo, fought for the ball on the ground and actually put in some second efforts.

Also, once you put him on a flank opposition coaches start putting quick, attacking defenders on him. Had it happened this week, you could put your money on someone like Leon Cameron running off him all day. Darren Gaspar won't.

That said, I'm still sceptical about whether he's the answer at FF. But saying that he's done nothing for the last three weeks is just plain wrong.
 

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Leave Haynes at FF. It's all well and good to see Wilson smashing the crap out of opposition players but he is so one dimensional. If he does not mark it out in front of his chest then his part in the play is over. He can not mark over head. He can not get the ball at ground level. He can not play in any position on the ground except FF. Teams have clued in to the Wilson tactic and are prepared to have a sweeper in the backline to stop the ball getting to him.

Wilson and Haynes both need to learn how to kick straight though. Neither are taking the opportunities given to them.

I think we will see Jako playing up forward. Richo is the only really tall threat in the Richmond forward line and Jako won't have the leg speed to go with him. I think that he will see Carroll get first crack at him. Interesting to see big Quinten named as an emergency. Does anybody else think that he might get a Saturday night call up?
 

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#31
Originally posted by noodle
Leave Haynes at FF. It's all well and good to see Wilson smashing the crap out of opposition players but he is so one dimensional. If he does not mark it out in front of his chest then his part in the play is over. He can not mark over head. He can not get the ball at ground level. He can not play in any position on the ground except FF. Teams have clued in to the Wilson tactic and are prepared to have a sweeper in the backline to stop the ball getting to him.
His ground level work is shocking, but that's why Fido & Samps are there - Wilson is a ready made crumb manufacturer. He has to take the oppositions best defender, so there's another bonus. Even if he doesn't kick more than a couple of goals, he's serving plenty of scraps up to our crumbers - more than Haynes is currently doing.
 

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#32
Originally posted by Jabber
His ground level work is shocking, but that's why Fido & Samps are there - Wilson is a ready made crumb manufacturer. He has to take the oppositions best defender, so there's another bonus. Even if he doesn't kick more than a couple of goals, he's serving plenty of scraps up to our crumbers - more than Haynes is currently doing.
yeah I agree that his ground level work isn't the best but at least he can pick the ball up.

I may be clutching at straws here but phils crumbing ability has improved since wilson has been dropped.
 

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Wheather we like it or not, I don't see Willo in an Eagles jumper next year. :(

Haynes is the man for the job.
 

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Time will tell on Haynes & Wilson I suppose, but please Woosha don't let me see midfielders forced to kick to Phil Matera in a marking contest again.
 

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#36
Originally posted by noodle
Interesting to see big Quinten named as an emergency. Does anybody else think that he might get a Saturday night call up?
Nope

Insurance for jakovich I'd say in case his hear goes a-flutter again. The match comittee may have realised that not having a tall emergency could be rather costly if one of your talls pulls out.
 

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#39
Originally posted by thegur
Wooden, Adkins, Chambers, Chick, Collica, Wooden, Gaspar, Lynch, McDougall, Wooden, Read, Seaby, Wilson and Wooden.

rant over

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the last paragraph has been altered to effect your thoughts sub-consciously.
You forgot Wooden.
 

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#40
Originally posted by Jabber
.... but please Woosha don't let me see midfielders forced to kick to Phil Matera in a marking contest again.
amen Jabber.

re: Boo Boys .... stop me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of the posters are having a go at Haynes ability, they are merely pointing out that Haynes has not been in top form, and that our team policy is to reward good form. Now, has Wilo been in good form?

it's more pro-Wilson than anti-haynes.

TheRealBuzz, were you being sarcastic? I hate to be picky, but if you saw Richmond last week, you would have seen Gaspar running off Nietz all night ..... and he got a goal out of it!!


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#41
Originally posted by noodle
Leave Haynes at FF. It's all well and good to see Wilson smashing the crap out of opposition players but he is so one dimensional. If he does not mark it out in front of his chest then his part in the play is over. He can not mark over head. He can not get the ball at ground level. He can not play in any position on the ground except FF. Teams have clued in to the Wilson tactic and are prepared to have a sweeper in the backline to stop the ball getting to him.

Wilson and Haynes both need to learn how to kick straight though. Neither are taking the opportunities given to them.

I think we will see Jako playing up forward. Richo is the only really tall threat in the Richmond forward line and Jako won't have the leg speed to go with him. I think that he will see Carroll get first crack at him. Interesting to see big Quinten named as an emergency. Does anybody else think that he might get a Saturday night call up?
Absolutely :)

With regards opportunities for Joey and now Samps (as well the other microforwards who rotate through), I'd agree they get more when the FF is not Willo. I know it's a simplistic view, but when Troy Boy goes to ground (ie the maybe, 70% of the time he doesn't take the mark), he doesn't get back up quick enough. Maybe it's because of his age, or perhaps its a part of the 'human bowling ball' routine designed to grab the free at the end of it, but what we've noticed more and more, if that with Troy layed out on the ground, his opponent is effectively an extra defender. Joey's lightening quick and a freakish kick, but start adding an extra defender into the mix and his game's not going to be at it's best. While Haynesy mightn't be taking enough marks either (though I only really thought last week was down), his recovery is infinitely faster than Willos. That means he is a forward option that needs a defender to cover him, and Joey & Samps are more free to work their magic.
 

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#46
Originally posted by Jabber
His ground level work is shocking, but that's why Fido & Samps are there - Wilson is a ready made crumb manufacturer. He has to take the oppositions best defender, so there's another bonus. Even if he doesn't kick more than a couple of goals, he's serving plenty of scraps up to our crumbers - more than Haynes is currently doing.
Sorry Jabber but yer way off there. Cummings was a crumb manufacturer because he played body on body a lot of the time within 25 from goal and the scraps went to Fido. Wilson does not know how to play that way, he only knows how to lead out to the 40~50 area taking out opponents and taking some good marks in front of him. As Fido is rarely out at the 40~50 zone there is no chance of him cashing in on any crumbs from Wilson.
And so many times Wilson fails to mark and they have the ball at half back, perfect for a rebound.

Haynes is good at ground level. The way he holds the ball in the forward area is very good and his hands are slick. If the ball is turned over it's in a pocket and a rebound is far more difficult.

You talk about Wilson taking on a teams 'best' defender. Don't you mean their classic full back. Their tall defender. But without us playing a tall like Wilson what does an opposition coach do? Imagine our defence v our forward line. Who would Milli play on? Haynes would kill him for speed, and hieght advantage doesn't matter if the ball is played in space. So playing Haynes at FF invites a fast 190cm defender to be played on him, and the so called best defender goes to CHB, up front or on the bench. ie out of our forward line.....nice.
 
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