Rumour Jamar a Magpie in 2013?

[Knightmare]

So this means that the player can choose his club and the AFL are only involved if the club has lost more free agent players than it gained? If we got Jamar, is that considered like a straight swap? Obviously the original club cannot stipulate what it wants in exchange and the new club would give as little as possible. I don't fully comprehend the compensation requirements.

Think GWS and Gold Coast when they added new talent.

Essentially with Jamar Collingwood can get him without sending any players or picks to Melbourne. Then the AFL might award Melbourne a 2nd or 3rd round selection or whatever they deem to be appropriate compensation.

We just need to fit him into the salary cap which is why Jamar is an attractive prospect.

If we looked to target a Robert Warnock or similar through trade week it would take a trade of 1st round selection or similar - so the attraction with Jamar is that we would not need to trade other assets to a club in an exchange but rather get the player as Gold Coast and GWS have over recent seasons - free of charge.

 

[Old Spice]

A player has served ten or more seasons of AFL football at one club, has already come out of contract once in the period after serving his first eight or more seasons at his club, and is now out of contract. (Unrestricted free agent)
The player is eligible to field offers from all rival clubs.
If he wishes to change clubs, the player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.
His club does NOT have the right to match the presented offer, and the player can move AUTOMATICALLY to the new club of his choice.
His original club will receive a compensation pick for the loss of the player, on an AFL-determined formula to apply where clubs lose more free agents than they gain in any single transfer period.

Right. So an unrestricted FA can move where he wants without the receiving club having to give up a pick. The AFL picks up the draft tab.

On that basis, our only consderation is money. For Jamar the consideration is money and premiership chances.

I'd imagine that if Jamar went to Collingwood his post football earning capacity would be greatly enhanced being associated with Collingwood.

The chance of a premiership is even money at both clubs.

He'd be a sensible lad to come to the Pies.

 

[Dundalis]

Read it again. My point is that it would be a waste to spend first two pciks in this and next years draft on a ruck.

I'm for using a 3rd round pick on a stop-gap ruck in the next two years. Ruck picks are punts and an extraodrinary number of quality rucks bloom late through rookie list: Cox, Sandilands, Jolly et al.

I think Jamar as an unrestricted FA represents excellent value.

PS what I'd like to know is how we pay for an unrestricted FA. Do we have to give up a draft pick or not?

Yeah I got your point, but I was wondering why you were making it. I haven't seen any rumours of us using any draft picks to acquire ruckmen. Certainly not early round draft picks from this year and next.

The only rumour seems to be that we'd be going after Jamar, and as I mentioned the compensation pick would be provided by the AFL, not Collingwood.

 

[Nicco_jj]

We'll either get Jamar, Warnock or Giles. Pick one of the three.
Nuff said.

As long as we still get the others signed I'd be more than happy with those guys.
Jamar
Giles
Warnock

In that order. Jamar will have to come for a pay cut. Big one.
I doubt we would get Giles...
Warnock maybe but depends how he goes this season.


WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN IVAN MARIC

 

[regpies]

If Jolly retired then yes, get him.

If Jolly retired and we got rid of Wood we could afford him. But our ruck stocks would then be very thin.

 

[Old Spice]

Yeah I got your point, but I was wondering why you were making it. I haven't seen any rumours of us using any draft picks to acquire ruckmen. Certainly not early round draft picks from this year and next.

The only rumour seems to be that we'd be going after Jamar, and as I mentioned the compensation pick would be provided by the AFL, not Collingwood.

Did I say we should use early picks to draft ruckmen? You'll find I said the opposite, and repeatedly.

You have a knack of converting situations so that you might have something to argue against.

Read posts properly.

 

[Nicco_jj]

Just had a look at season stats to date.


Jamar leads hit outs this season with 332.
Sandilands is 2nd with 295, then Sam Jacobs.


Jolly is 10th.

 

[doppleganger]

Jamar is still a good ruck, he aint missed a beat and basically plays 90% of the time in the ruck.

Look at Goldstein and McIntosh, Goldy looked ordinary when asked to share the load...and when McIntosh is out injured he pulls out a 28 disposal 47 HO game!

Jamar would be a good replacement if Jolly were to retire, but playing Jolly and Jamar in the same team wouldn't work....id prefer Jamar actually.

But that is exactly the type of player the pies are hopefully chasing, guys who are 27-28ish, had the 10 years at the one club...with limited success, and push the opportunity to come and try and win a flag before it is too late.

Guys like Montagna, C.Young, Jamar, Gwildt could get them for basically nothing, just sell the opportunity that Buckley sees a role for them in a potential premiership team....

Doubtful we will land a big fish, but a couple or L.Brown/Medhurst style 'steak knife' role players may be on the cards.

 

[SwanBet]

only way i would contemplate Jamar would be if Cloke leaves, and even then i wouldn't want to be forking out to much cash for an old ruckman, surely we don't have the cap if cloke stays.

You would think one more season for Jolly next year, then Witts will be ready.

Cam Wood is no spud, he is capable at AFL level.

I think a real issue with our ruck development is because of Wood though, he is playing VFL, this means both Witts and Ceglar have little ruck work to do. Bringing in Jamar would only hamper there development even further.

 

[Old Spice]

Jamar is still a good ruck, he aint missed a beat and basically plays 90% of the time in the ruck.

Look at Goldstein and McIntosh, Goldy looked ordinary when asked to share the load...and when McIntosh is out injured he pulls out a 28 disposal 47 HO game!

Jamar would be a good replacement if Jolly were to retire, but playing Jolly and Jamar in the same team wouldn't work....id prefer Jamar actually.

But that is exactly the type of player the pies are hopefully chasing, guys who are 27-28ish, had the 10 years at the one club...with limited success, and push the opportunity to come and try and win a flag before it is too late.

Guys like Montagna, C.Young, Jamar, Gwildt could get them for basically nothing, just sell the opportunity that Buckley sees a role for them in a potential premiership team....

Doubtful we will land a big fish, but a couple or L.Brown/Medhurst style 'steak knife' role players may be on the cards.

I'd love a Montagna in the abstract. A Pies supporter growing up, but we have just too much depth there.

Our only weakness remains the ruck dvision.

 

[Old Spice]

only way i would contemplate Jamar would be if Cloke leaves, and even then i wouldn't want to be forking out to much cash for an old ruckman, surely we don't have the cap if cloke stays.

You would think one more season for Jolly next year, then Witts will be ready.

Cam Wood is no spud, he is capable at AFL level.

I think a real issue with our ruck development is because of Wood though, he is playing VFL, this means both Witts and Ceglar have little ruck work to do. Bringing in Jamar would only hamper there development even further.

Why couldn't we afford Jamar? I'd imagine 250k would do the trick. If BJ retired with Wood that would about cover it.

 

[blaze036]

Noway he'll fit into our salary cap, unless he'll cop 400k less than he could for a successful team.

 

[doppleganger]

I'd love a Montagna in the abstract. A Pies supporter growing up, but we have just too much depth there.

Our only weakness remains the ruck dvision.

If it doesn't cost much, id be more than happy.

Much rather guys like Montagna, C.Young on the list than S.Buckley.

Agree ruck is biggest concern, but wouldn't be surprised if a couple of older blokes are on dekka's radar.

 

[TradeDraft]

If it doesn't cost much, id be more than happy.

Much rather guys like Montagna, C.Young on the list than S.Buckley.

Agree ruck is biggest concern, but wouldn't be surprised if a couple of older blokes are on dekka's radar.

Like Who?

 

[doppleganger]

Noway he'll fit into our salary cap, unless he'll cop 400k less than he could for a successful team.

Very doubtful that Melbourne would be wanting to sign him to a big contract, although I guess they have to spend their money somewhere.

Clearly we would be selling be at a winning club.......since 2007 Melbourne have won something like 27 games from about 120.....and are now talking of more short term pain....jeebus that wouldn't be that much fun.

 

[Ketchup]

It all depends what Jamar wants from his footy really. Everyone knows our ruck division is weak. And i still believe we will be contending for premierships over the next 2-3 years if our list stays intact. If Jamar wants to have a tilt at a flag he'll take a paycut and come to us. But since you have to spend atleast 93% of the cap or whatever the figure is reality is Melbourne need to spend the money somewhere and Jamar could easily get 500-600k playing there just because the money needs to be spent and its better spending it on him than 15 gamers at a developing club, which he obviously can't earn at the pies. Its success vs money really, because Melbourne won't be contending within the next 5 years, and after that Jamar is too old.

 

[biggiemediums]

Jeez would I love Jamar at the pies, IMO he's the AA ruckman so far this year. The only reason people aren't talking about him is because he's in a losing side. He's really a gun and a half. Rarely gets outtapped. It's not his fault Melbourne midfielders can't capitalise.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Can't take him while both Jolly and Wood are there, and you can't be rid of Wood and have both Jolly and Jamar.

So either they're planning on getting rid of Jolly (which they're not) or we're not going for Jamar.

Would love him though.

 

[MrNatural]

Personally id prefer to see us go for a different ruck, especially a younger one.
Someone like Jonathon Griffin from Fremantle

 

[dutchy12]

Jeez would I love Jamar at the pies, IMO he's the AA ruckman so far this year. The only reason people aren't talking about him is because he's in a losing side. He's really a gun and a half. Rarely gets outtapped. It's not his fault Melbourne midfielders can't capitalise.

You reckon???

I'm not so sure, he's really been ineffectual round the ground. He didn't take one mark on the weekend.

I certainly wouldn't begrudge him from leaving. The man probably deserves some success ha

 

[Temploar]

You reckon???

I'm not so sure, he's really been ineffectual round the ground. He didn't take one mark on the weekend.

I certainly wouldn't begrudge him from leaving. The man probably deserves some success ha

Laid 6 tackles though which was second only to mckenzie. 40 hitouts against a decent ruck trio aint that bad either.

 

[HFF]

You couldn't play both Jamar and Jolly in the same side though.

I'd only entertain it if Jolly retired.

Even then, I'd prefer a younger option or get the games into Witts.

 

[jonbe54]

You couldn't play both Jamar and Jolly in the same side though.

I'd only entertain it if Jolly retired.

Even then, I'd prefer a younger option or get the games into Witts.

No matter how much we wish it Wittsy will take a couple of years to get into the first ruck duties at anything like full time

 

[Scodog10]

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=5&pid1=284&tid2=12&pid2=282&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

Righto boys lets go out and chase a guy that's averaging just about identical numbers to our current number one ruckman and hits the scoreboard as much as Presti!!!

FFS Mark Jamar will not be at Collingwood next year. Our ruck division is fine. Jolly will see out the final year of his contract and Wood will be retained as a stop gap measure until either Witts or Ceglar can take over the number one ruck mantle.

We've spent 3 first round picks on ruckman in the past 5 off seasons and recruited another that was worthy of a first round pick. We will not chase a ruckman at years end.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

My issue is they are both predominantly tap ruckman. They don't get the ball. They can go forward and kick goals, but IMO if you use them for any lengthy period in the forward line they are likely to become a liability. They are both relatively immobile ruckman of the dinosaur variety.

The sole area they dominate in that has made them good ruckmen is the actual ruckwork. If you are then splitting that between them I think they each become a lot less valuable. While one is rucking, you have to find somewhere else to put the other. I'm not so sure the tandem would work that well. There's a reason Leigh Brown worked so well as a second ruckman for us despite being rubbish at actual ruck work.

This. It would have to be one or the other in the seniors.