Confirmed James Aish [traded to Collingwood for #26 and St Kilda's 2016 second round pick]

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Just another bloke that collingwood have been linked to that they wont get.

The OP has stated that Aish wants to come BACK to Victoria. he is from Adelaide and will be playing fro the crows next year.

do some research before you post shit threads
I love accidentaly clicking on the first page. It allows one to find gems like this. Pontificating, condescending tone, garnered a few likes... and so totally off the mark.

Thanks BF
 

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Yeah, so it happened to you once. It happens to us most years, and it isn't the club, it is the geography. Even during the golden years, Des Headland went home.
You made out like bandits from Des Headland and now you want to cry about it?

Brisbane have been bungling and mismanaging themselves pretty much from the moment they out Crazy Vossy charge (possibly even earlier from a footy department point of view). Look no further for finding a reason for the exodus.

The fact that te Lions are in a expansion footy state means the margins for error are much finer but they stuffed up and stuffed up badly.

Who would want to be at a club that is broke, with poor facilities and no onfield success?
 

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It's more an argument not that games played inherently equals worth, but moreso that Aish has proven himself at AFL level and freeman unfortunately hasn't had the chance to because of his phantom hamstrings
Freeman is still effectively a draftee, but with known bad hamstrings. 2 years of zip.
Can't be as simple as that.

Just like me saying Tom Landgon is worth more than Aish because he has played 41 games instead of 32.
 

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This makes even less sense(if that's even possible).
Both from the same draft.

One has shown a lot more than the other, has played more games and more important to his side structurally. By your logic, Langdon is worth more than Aish.

I couldn't possibly dumb it down for you any further.
 

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Both from the same draft.

One has shown a lot more than the other, has played more games and more important to his side structurally. By your logic, Langdon is worth more than Aish.

I couldn't possibly dumb it down for you any further.
by most peoples logic Langdon is worth more than Aish...
 

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2nd rounders in a shallow draft wont be enough for aish. its insulting to the lions
In previous years yes your prob right but with the new points system now no it's not....with us offering multiple 2nd rounders it would allow them to use these on their academy picks and save their higher picks for the draft because yes it is a shallow draft!!
 

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Can't be as simple as that.

Just like me saying Tom Landgon is worth more than Aish because he has played 41 games instead of 32.
You're still missing the point unfortunately.

Aish has played over a seasons worth of AFL standard games, Freeman hasn't gotten out on the park.

That has to count for something but a players trade value doesn't increase linearly with games played.

Gut feeling is if Freeman had played 32 games he'd be just as, if not more, valuable then James, he's a serious talent who seems to have already been cruelly cut down by injuries.
 

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Would he warrant pick 14? Or 2 second rounders?

I'm not disputing what Lions want for Aish, just throwing up a different perspective.
if we had pick 14 i wouldn't be upset if we used it to pick up a key forward in the draft instead of trading it for Aish, there is nothing special about Aish. He will be a solid midfielder for us but not a star. Langdon has outperformed Aish so yes i would expect him to be worth more.
 

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In previous years yes your prob right but with the new points system now no it's not....with us offering multiple 2nd rounders it would allow them to use these on their academy picks and save their higher picks for the draft because yes it is a shallow draft!!
Doesn't work like that. You need to use your next pick/s.
 

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Just on Sydney needing points for Mills and Dunkley.

They currently have Pick 14. Pick 14 is worth 1161 points.

If Collingwood got Pick 22 for Seedsman & Pick 24 for Freeman, the points value of those two combined is 1630 points.
 

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How about two picks in the 21-26 range which is worth about the same I think points wise, or would you still want a third pick?
Pick 21 will still get a good player so doubt that would be offered but 26 & 27 gives us 200+ extra points so yes, two mid /late 20s picks.

These picks are likely to get pushed out two places or so when FA compo for Leuenberger etc is given.
 

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Both from the same draft.

One has shown a lot more than the other, has played more games and more important to his side structurally. By your logic, Langdon is worth more than Aish.

I couldn't possibly dumb it down for you any further.
Yes it is. Invalid comparison is invalid. Why don't we come up with another strange comparison that makes no sense and adds nothing to the thread.
That seems like fun.
 

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http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/af...icks-and-move-on/story-fndv8hfz-1227563872344

This is from the Courier Mail so suspect Lions fans know more about the author than I do, but have quoted the relevant parts relating to this trade (if I have broken any quoting rules please let me know).

I thought everyone here would be interested.
Hammo's a hack, he has an axe to grind against Brisbane because we don't scratch his back as much as he likes, but in general you can divide his reporting on the Lions into two parts - stuff offered up as facts or definite are usually reasonable, however he layers on a ton of "opinion" around it that is just nauseating and is not above using "it is believed" or "it is rumoured" to lend credence to stuff that he believes or he is rumouring.
 

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Just on Sydney needing points for Mills and Dunkley.

They currently have Pick 14. Pick 14 is worth 1161 points.

If Collingwood got Pick 22 for Seedsman & Pick 24 for Freeman, the points value of those two combined is 1630 points.
Sydney is the only team that doesn't specifically need it's first rounder so I've got no doubt that needy teams trying to get deals over the line, like Pies needing two first rounders for Treloar, will be looking to trade for Sydney's pick 14 as it is only worth points to us, doesn't equate to a player around that mark.
 

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Hammo's a hack, he has an axe to grind against Brisbane because we don't scratch his back as much as he likes, but in general you can divide his reporting on the Lions into two parts - stuff offered up as facts or definite are usually reasonable, however he layers on a ton of "opinion" around it that is just nauseating and is not above using "it is believed" or "it is rumoured" to lend credence to stuff that he believes or he is rumouring.
Thanks. Its easy for me to know who of the Melbourne journos to listen to and who not to, but it's harder for the interstate journos because we just don't see their stuff often. So thanks for the info.
 

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This makes even less sense(if that's even possible).
I think, if the comment is response to what I am thinking, there was an argument that solely on the back of Aish playing 32 games he is worth more than Freeman, so based on the arguement Langdon who has played more than Aish would be worth more than both.

Of course this would not be the case, there are a number of factors that will play a part in the value of them. Based on development and games played Aish would be ahead of Freeman but behind Langdon, based on draft position (which after two years is still relevant) and potential Freeman and Aish would be close to level and Langdon well behind and based on injury issues Freeman would be behind the other two, though Langdon would be slightly ahead of Aish.

So of course Aish would be worth more than both (IMO the potential difference between Aish and Langdon is bigger than the development and injury differences), though in terms of Freeman which is where this argument orginated probably not by as much as the Saints guy is claiming.
 
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Just on Sydney needing points for Mills and Dunkley.

They currently have Pick 14. Pick 14 is worth 1161 points.

If Collingwood got Pick 22 for Seedsman & Pick 24 for Freeman, the points value of those two combined is 1630 points.
We would do the trade in a heartbeat. Win/Win for each club
 
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