Confirmed James Aish [traded to Collingwood for #26 and St Kilda's 2016 second round pick]

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The AFL will rightfully ask Brisbane why you asked for a Priority Pick two weeks ago and are knocking back a potential fair and equitable trade for one of the players who has walked out.
And which "potential fair and equitable trade" proposal are you talking about here?

I don't recall Brisbane receiving a priority pick either.
 

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And which "potential fair and equitable trade" proposal are you talking about here?

I don't recall Brisbane receiving a priority pick either.
Why does the trade have to be perfectly "fair". If Brisbane have the option of pick 22 or nothing and pick nothing then how on earth can they ever request for assistance from the AFL to improve their club when they deliberately hurt it themselves ?
 

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The key number there is one(as opposed to six in recent times). I'm sure Beams wanting to leave was annoying for you. Very different scenario from a 1st round draft pick who's shown a fair bit wanting to leave after two years.

The comparison with Collingwood losing older players just isn't valid, as I'm sure you're aware.

The key word there is talent. Oxley is marginal at best. We already have quite a few medium/tall defenders too, funnily enough.
Yes it is valid as all were required players and Collingwood could have taken the same stance. Collingwood knew that more would follow after Wellingham and yet decided to get something for them rather than 'send a message' to anyone else that was thinking of moving on, especially while in contract.
The Lions talking about young recruits, Collingwood talking about required players.
 

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Why does the trade have to be perfectly "fair". If Brisbane have the option of pick 22 or nothing and pick nothing then how on earth can they ever request for assistance from the AFL to improve their club when they deliberately hurt it themselves ?
I've already answered this.

"The concept of trading is everyone wins.......trading your young players is you can't win, so therefore don't trade them. An uncontracted player, after the trade period, if they want to, can still put themselves into the normal draft."

Leigh Matthews. October 8th 2015.
 

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This just in: AFL are in Collingwoods Pocket, AFL to be changed to CFL, Eddie new CEO of one team league.
Oh my. You guys do have a minority complex up there. If it wasn't for Eddie, who else would you blame.
As Carlton has shown, disgruntled Collingwood premiership coaches should not be in charge in any capacity, they will take you down with their private war.
 

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Well lets just say for agrument sake if rumours are correct Treloar goes for 1st rounder 2015 and 2nd rounder 2016.
Melbourne seem to highly rate Kennedy, same with Gold Coast with Seedsman.
If they get 2nd rounders for those guys. Not including most likely a second rounder for Freeman i think at least.
If you include Oxley in a package , how i think has shown he has potential and upside. Eventgough i know Lions fans in this forum have snubed him. But it would not suprise me if your coaching panel think differently about him I think he could be one that bites us in the arse if trade with him takes place.
I think the Pies will have enough amo to do the Aish deal .
 

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I've already answered this.

"The concept of trading is everyone wins.......trading your young players is you can't win, so therefore don't trade them. An uncontracted player, after the trade period, if they want to, can put themselves into the draft."

Leigh Matthews. October 8th 2015.
You can't win when trading young players? what complete trash.

Pick 22 is a win when the other option is nothing.

To take nothing over something and purposely hurt your own club then come to the AFL begging for assistance... unbelievable.
 

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You can't win when trading young players? what complete trash.

Pick 22 is a win when the other option is nothing.

To take nothing over something and purposely hurt your own club then come to the AFL begging for assistance... unbelievable.
You give Leigh Matthews a call and talk to him about it. He sees Pick 22 as a loss for the Lions and therefore will not entertain a trade. Aish will then have the option of re-signing with the Lions (a win) or going into the draft.(a loss)
 

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The general vibe I'm getting here is that Brisbane supporters are shitty about losing a player with potential, but are refusing to take in, as part of the same trade, a player with potential as well. Keeping in mind, this is effectively, Oxley's first proper go at AFL level after injuries and looks alright for someone with 19 games to his name.
 

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The general vibe I'm getting here is that Brisbane supporters are shitty about losing a player with potential, but are refusing to take in, as part of the same trade, a player with potential as well.
I'm telling you what Leigh Matthews has said about how the Lions see trading James Aish. No more no less. It's up to Collingwood to make the trade a win/win for Brisbane and Collingwood. Not a win for Collingwood and a loss for Brisbane. Otherwise, according to Matthews there will be no trade.
 

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You give Leigh Matthews a call and talk to him about it. He sees Pick 22 as a loss for the Lions and therefore will not entertain a trade. Aish will then have the option of re-signing with the Lions (a win) or going into the draft.(a loss)
Serious question, is there anyone else besides Matthews who runs the recruitment department? Seems like this club is disjointed?


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Well lets just say for agrument sake if rumours are correct Treloar goes for 1st rounder 2015 and 2nd rounder 2016.
Melbourne seem to highly rate Kennedy, same with Gold Coast with Seedsman.
If they get 2nd rounders for those guys. Not including most likely a second rounder for Freeman i think at least.
If you include Oxley in a package , how i think has shown he has potential and upside. Eventgough i know Lions fans in this forum have snubed him. But it would not suprise me if your coaching panel think differently about him I think he could be one that bites us in the arse if trade with him takes place.
I think the Pies will have enough amo to do the Aish deal .
Of course we got the dough to get it done. But whether we should after the threat of sending him to the draft, not so sure. Same tactic will happen next year. And the year after. It just doesn't look good and as the thread highlights , it is not good.
 

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You can't win when trading young players? what complete trash.

Pick 22 is a win when the other option is nothing.

To take nothing over something and purposely hurt your own club then come to the AFL begging for assistance... unbelievable.
But when it is happening every second year that we are down grading a top 10 pick to a pick in the 20's is not sustainable long term. We will never be competitive if this keeps occurring. So this isn't just about Aish, this is about the players (and just as importantly the player managers) of 2nd year players in subsequent years.

We asked the league for assistance precisely because this keeps occurring. We now have 2 top 10 picks on our because of this issue. So it either comes down to the AFL fixing the problem, which considering how VFL myopic the league is isn't likely, or we try to fix it. Which is what the statement about Aish is about.
 

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If he said "I want to play in Melbourne but I dont care what team" it would drastically reduce the odds of us NOT at least listening to possible trades.
Did Beams say get me to Qld where my family is from?

Stop living in fantasy land.

Name me one player (with currency) who has ever said, " trade me to a Melbourne club"!
 

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The general vibe I'm getting here is that Brisbane supporters are shitty about losing a player with potential, but are refusing to take in, as part of the same trade, a player with potential as well. Keeping in mind, this is effectively, Oxley's first proper go at AFL level after injuries and looks alright for someone with 19 games to his name.
Of course not, don't you get it? The only players Brisbane should take are absolute top end elite talent from Queensland, which the AFL should develop for them and give them at a discounted price through their academies, as well as give Brisbane an extra salary cap allowance so no one can ever attract these players away from them. Any other way of developing a successful club, say second round picks, or promising but inconsistent local players, or building a strong work environment and culture, is not acceptable...

The culture of entitlement the AFL creates with their murky rules and decisions — here as a result of the 3 flags won with extra benefits — is staggering (and that includes all clubs including ours when it comes to fixturing and such).
 

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And which "potential fair and equitable trade" proposal are you talking about here?

I don't recall Brisbane receiving a priority pick either.
Point is you cant ask for one implying you NEED help and then refuse to trade a player and lose him for nothing. Not many clubs can afford to lose some one for nothing can they? Maybe hawks? Defs not lions
 

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Did Beams say get me to Qld where my family is from?

Stop living in fantasy land.

Name me one player (with currency) who has ever said, " trade me to a Melbourne club"!
Pretty sure patful asked to be traded to the Sydney area in general

Can't think of a Melbourne one off the top of my head.

I think Jansen has just said QLD, not Brisbane at this stage.

Jed Anderson hasn't nominated a club
 

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Of course not, don't you get it? The only players Brisbane should take are absolute top end elite talent from Queensland, which the AFL should develop for them and give them at a discounted price through their academies, as well as give Brisbane an extra salary cap allowance so no one can ever attract these players away from them. Any other way of developing a successful club, say second round picks, or promising but inconsistent local players, or building a strong work environment and culture, is not acceptable...

The culture of entitlement the AFL creates with their murky rules and decisions — here as a result of the 3 flags won with extra benefits — is staggering (and that includes all clubs including ours when it comes to fixturing and such).
If you want a truely national Comp you must expand the talent pool in non traditional areas.

The bidding system is fantastic in my opinion, every club should pay a fair price and the bidding system has facilitated that.
 
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Eddie would never worry about petty things. He's earmarked to be our republic's first President. He'll do a better job than Turnbull and co.
LOL - that explains why it never go off the ground. Maguire as President FFS. Did a grand job running channel 9.
 

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the issue is collingwood have nothing left to give after the treloar deal and aish wont go anywhere but collingwood
So all outbound players wont generate picks? Do pies only have 2 picks over the next two years??? God they will struggle to trade in two players if thats the case...

Imagine what they could do if the had some 2nd rounders, 3rd rounders, picks generated from seedsman, freeman, kennedy leaving. One can only imagine...
 

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If you want a truely national Comp you must expand the talent pool in non traditional areas.

The bidding system is fantastic in my opinion, every club should pay a fair price and the bidding system has facilitated that.
I'm fine with that. I do feel that in the long term if the academy system is successful, the fact that no other club outside of the 4 NSW/QLD clubs have academies will backfire on the AFL but that's a debate for another time.

My post was in reaction to some of the views from Brisbane supporters here, pretending that 2nd round picks are worth nothing, local players that aren't elite talent are not worth having on the list, and that rather than look at why players are departing their club (and not the 3 other QLD/NSW clubs as much) the blame goes to Eddie McGuire and the AFL because they couldn't keep the academies at a heavily discounted rate and the extra salary cap they use to have in their flag years.
 

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Yes, and he was quoted saying this:

“We want Dayne to stay,” Eade said.
“We understand his personal situation and will be working with him and his management, as we do all our players, to find an outcome that may give him more time with his family and remain a Collingwood player for 2015 and beyond.”


Completely different to what is being said by your club since Thursday.
100% chalk and cheese. Pies good management while brisband vindictive, poorly managed rabble led by leppo
 
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