Confirmed James Aish [traded to Collingwood for #26 and St Kilda's 2016 second round pick]

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Second rounder plus Oxley should be enough to get it done, native Queenslander who will automatically be best 22 plus a chance at a promising youngster
So a player we could get for nothing who we are not even linked too and 2nd round pick yeah that seems fair:rolleyes:
 
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Isn't it Aish that chooses if he'll enter the PSD or not?
Sure is. Or else he chooses to re-sign with the Brisbane Lions.

He's uncontracted so BFC has very little say in it.
Wasn't that my point? If Brisbane don't enter into a trade for Aish before the end of the trade period, what would you say the options for Aish are?

Surely pushing players into the PSD is against the AFLPA's charter?
Where does it say so in the collective bargaining agreement between the AFL and the AFLPA?
 
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Because Pert had heard your club out first, and you weren't offering enough.
That's nice. But as I have probably said about 8 times already, this situation isn't about just a trade between Brisbane and Collingwood, and our strategy reflects that.

If Collingwood supporters keep trying to see this as purely about them, they will continue to baffled. That's fine, but it's getting a bit tiring having to keep going over the same old ground. Best just put up your feet and see where it ends up. That's certainly where my head is at.
 

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Huh? Christensen could have gone to any club. Robinson was a target and we outbid Richmond for him (admittedly I thought that was a mistake at the time). Staker's had a injury-prone last two years but he's been pretty damn good prior to that, but because he played for us he was largely anonymous :p. West looked good last year but it's a bit of a wash. The main misses were Fev (on-field great, off-field we gave up way too much and failed to turn him around) and Lisle (pick 30 or so). Xav Clarke and Buchanan were nothing trades that played out as nothing for nothing.
Shock, horror, hometruths.
"Crazy Vossy sold the farm and set Brisbane back by 100 years".. am I still allowed to use this ? :p
 

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we are trying to get that improvement by retaining Aish. Even better outcome for us.
Do you think there is a large chance of retaining him? Just from my point of view, it is very low chance.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes to the draft at the end of it all and Brisbane loses him for nothing. It's just the risk that can hurt them even more.
 

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Huh? Christensen could have gone to any club. Robinson was a target and we outbid Richmond for him (admittedly I thought that was a mistake at the time). Staker's had a injury-prone last two years but he's been pretty damn good prior to that, but because he played for us he was largely anonymous :p. West looked good last year but it's a bit of a wash. The main misses were Fev (on-field great, off-field we gave up way too much and failed to turn him around) and Lisle (pick 30 or so). Xav Clarke and Buchanan were nothing trades that played out as nothing for nothing.
Christenson left the state and we all know why.
 

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I wouldn't call them successes. each to their own.
Did I say they were successes?

Staker was serviceable with 50 games. West is coming off a knee reconstruction. At 27 years of age, why don't we give West three or four more seasons to ascertain whether or not he was a success for the Lions.
 

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Honestly though, do you think there is a large chance of retaining him? Just from my point of view, it is very low chance.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes to the draft at the end of it all and Brisbane loses him for nothing. It's just the risk that can hurt them even more.
Yes, we have to roll the dice and see what happens. I am sure the club has seen enough of Aish in the last 2 years to think this is still an option. Hence their stance. We may end up empty handed, but that's fine - we have been taking unders for a while, it's refreshing to see the Club take a different approach. Have to wait and see how this plays out.
 

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Yes, we have to roll the dice and see what happens. I am sure the club has seen enough of Aish in the last 2 years to think this is still an option. Hence their stance. We may end up empty handed, but that's fine - we have been taking unders for a while, it's refreshing to see the Club take a different approach. Have to wait and see how this plays out.
With all due respect there's no chance of retaining him. His manager's words suggest he is out the door.

It's like us last season with Beams. Sure he was contracted which is a little different but there was no chance of "rolling the dice" and thinking him staying was really a viable option.
Players that don't want to be there are not retained.
 

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Christenson left the state and we all know why.
Haha still persisting with the ridiculous Lonergan story. Even the last desperate few remaining who were clinging on to that rubbish would have known it wasn't true when they saw how warmly Christensen was embraced by his teammates after the Brisbane/Geelong game this year.

It's stunning how it's Collingwood supporters who seem to desperate to keep that rumour alive.

Christensen needed to get away from his gambling buddies in Geelong and Lara. His lovely partner has helped him turn his life around.
 
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We managed to turn the 5 going home trades to the following bolded ones. Talent identification is not an issue for us, retention is.

In the list below, everyone bar Aish have re-signed. We are doing ok.


Brisbane Lions AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2013 2013 AFL Draft Summary
Type Round Pick Player Current Team Games Since Drafted *
National 1 7 James Aish Brisbane 32
National 2 22 Darcy Gardiner Brisbane 25
National 2 25
Daniel McStay Brisbane 29
National 2 28
Lewis Taylor Brisbane 44
National 2 33
Tom Cutler Brisbane 18
National 2 34
Nicholas Robertson Brisbane 20
National 4 62 Jonathan Freeman Brisbane 10
National 5 75 Rookie Promotion Justin Clarke Brisbane 42
Jackson Paine?

He was a straight swap for Karnezis.
 

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Yes, we have to roll the dice and see what happens. I am sure the club has seen enough of Aish in the last 2 years to think this is still an option. Hence their stance. We may end up empty handed, but that's fine - we have been taking unders for a while, it's refreshing to see the Club take a different approach. Have to wait and see how this plays out.
Just the way I see it, he will be in a Carlton jumper next year. I don't think Brisbane will deal and I think he will walk out for nothing.

Sad result but most likely outcome.
 

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Jackson Paine?

He was a straight swap for Karnezis.
We took what we got offered there, and we got offered nothing else. I'm not sure that can really be argued for or against talent identification. We didn't target him, Buckley basically pushed him out the door.
 
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Nice padding. You didn't recruit beams or Christenson. Robinson was a gamble that's worked. Staker and West?
Staker was received as part of the Bradd Dalziell trade. Eagles fans will assure you that we "won" that one.

West was the steak knives in the Longer trade, which also netted us Daniel McStay. A mature, premiership winning backup ruckman as steak knives is nothing to sneeze at. He's been handy when his body has allowed him.

Just when the adults start talking, you really have a tendency to show up and drag these threads into petty, point-scoring exercises TW Sherrin.
 

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Sure is. Or else he chooses to re-sign with the Brisbane Lions.


Nah that's not gonna happen....he's outta there one way or another.



Wasn't that my point? If Brisbane don't enter into a trade for Aish before the end of the trade period, what would you say the options for Aish are?


He could sign a 1 year contract with say....Carlton...with the option to move to Collingwood in 12 months? Been done before: Nathan Buckley (cough cough) Of course Carlton would want compo in 12 months.....hello Keefe and Thomas....???
He might even "stand out of footy for 12 months"... like he did this year?



Where does it say so in the collective bargaining agreement between the AFL and the AFLPA?
I think it's under the section that says "players can go back to the same state as their ill parents....even if the'yre playing 100k's from said parent...and were offered MEGA bucks to defect even whilst under contract"......you know that one....subsection XXX
 

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I'm fine with that. I do feel that in the long term if the academy system is successful, the fact that no other club outside of the 4 NSW/QLD clubs have academies will backfire on the AFL but that's a debate for another time.

My post was in reaction to some of the views from Brisbane supporters here, pretending that 2nd round picks are worth nothing, local players that aren't elite talent are not worth having on the list, and that rather than look at why players are departing their club (and not the 3 other QLD/NSW clubs as much) the blame goes to Eddie McGuire and the AFL because they couldn't keep the academies at a heavily discounted rate and the extra salary cap they use to have in their flag years.
Until this year, Brsibane is the ONLY non AFL state side without any development or cost of living allowance. As stated before, only 5 percent of players on AFL lists are Queenslanders. We have had to invest in these to try & develop not just players but the overall strength in the local competitions. If we can jag a couple of decent players to counteract the go home factor / lure of big Melbourne clubs, then surely this is fair. Eddies whinging shows he couldn't give a stuff for a fair competition as long as the Pies are the beneficiary.
 
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