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His back half of last year showed he can be a player. But based on JLT performances; Aish is not best 22 and our least impactful midfielder at the moment. Blair, Greenwood, Phillips, Smith, WHE all ahead of him. As is Wells obviously. At times Aish shows a real lack of intensity which is something I just hate in a player. We can't justify squeezing him into the 22 ahead of any of these guys in my view.
Well I guess you never going to Like Aish as he is a Laconic type of Player
 

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You might be onto something... Gubby was pretty distracted at the time. Perhaps we thought we were dealing with West Coast and getting Priddis?
West Australian clubs and their curly mop head players all look the same to us?
Surprised Shaun McManus didn't end up with the four year contract tbh
 
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Well I guess you never going to Like Aish as he is a Laconic type of Player
No.. I was liking him the last half of last season as I said. He can be as laconic as he likes as long as he gets a lot more involved than 8 disposals in a game playing as a midfielder!! He hovers around the ball too much rather than going at it and trying to win it. He may be instructed to do that but he needs to learn to do it a lot better if he's going to be an effective mid and be a regular in the 22. And he needs to take the game on and be more attacking when he has the ball.
 

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No.. I was liking him the last half of last season as I said. He can be as laconic as he likes as long as he gets a lot more involved than 8 disposals in a game playing as a midfielder!! He hovers around the ball too much rather than going at it and trying to win it. He may be instructed to do that but he needs to learn to do it a lot better if he's going to be an effective mid and be a regular in the 22. And he needs to take the game on and be more attacking when he has the ball.
Maybe that because he is playing a Outside Role so he is waiting for someone to get the Ball for Him. Though I have seen him Go when he has to.

I agree he Needs to be More Attacking, He does not have to take the Game On but I would like him to Kick the Ball longer then he has. As I have found he pretty much gone the Short Way(Short Kick or Handball) too Much
 

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Maybe that because he is playing a Outside Role so he is waiting for someone to get the Ball for Him. Though I have seen him Go when he has to.

I agree he Needs to be More Attacking, He does not have to take the Game On but I would like him to Kick the Ball longer then he has. As I have found he pretty much gone the Short Way(Short Kick or Handball) too Much
I didn't think he was that bad in the game, it was just his disposal let him down which may have made his game look worse.
 

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Aishes biggest problem is he lacks any sort of physical weapons.

He's still pretty slim but also fairly slow without great agility... leaves him under pressure a lot to dispose the ball quickly which effects his disposal.
 

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I didn't think he was that bad in the game, it was just his disposal let him down which may have made his game look worse.
and Those where his 1st 2 Kicks he had that mad people think he played Worse then He Really Did. He was not the Only had a Few Shockers. He had quite a Few Friends

Don't Remember him doing that Much in his 2nd Go at AFL Level last year.
 

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His back half of last year showed he can be a player. But based on JLT performances; Aish is not best 22 and our least impactful midfielder at the moment. Blair, Greenwood, Phillips, Smith, WHE all ahead of him. As is Wells obviously. At times Aish shows a real lack of intensity which is something I just hate in a player. We can't justify squeezing him into the 22 ahead of any of these guys in my view.
That group of players you've listed is a diverse bunch and in my opinion should never be competing for the same spots in the 22. I spent some time this morning reading over some stats and I noticed a trend of sorts. You can classify players as uncontested or contested by the ratio of those possession types. In general players who have a ratio greater than 2:1 are outside uncontested types, and those below your inside contested players. The absolute elite outside players tend to go at a ratio above 3 and the elite inside clearance machines, Dangerfield, JPK, Fyfe etc, at or below 1. Those players you mentioned over their careers go at:

Aish: 1.7, Greenwood: 1.34, Wells: 1.83, Phillips: 3.08, Smith: 3.16, WHE: 1.81, Blair: 1.05

Right away we should take Phillips and Smith out of any discussions about whether Aish plays or not as they clearly play a very different style of game. Next WHE stats are a little meaningless as a midfielder as he has spent most his time forward and the same goes for Blair. Although on Blair that is not a good ratio, he does not win enough of the ball to justify such a low percentage of uncontested possession.

That leaves just Greenwood and Wells left to compete with Aish for a spot. I agree with you that Wells is clearly ahead of Aish but I believe Aish is a better option than Greenwood. Greenwood averages 18 disposals a game, 10up and 8cp. That's a good balance but given his poor disposal that is more like 5up and 8cp. That suddenly does not look so hot for a senior player. Aish on the other hand is young and if we ignore his time at Brisbane his ratio changes to 1.4 at an average of 15 disposals, 9up and 6cp. Given Aish's disposal that is more like 6up and 6cp for an average of 12, one less than Greenwood. Given Aish has much greater scope for improvement than Greenwood and his game on the weekend was more reminiscent of his finish to last season, if it comes down to Aish vs Greenwood for the last spot in round 1 I would prefer to see Aish get the nod.

Specifically on Aish I'm a little concerned that in Buckleys post game press conference he mentioned Aish when listing players who can play a role on the wing to allow Sidebottom to play forward. Looking at these stats he is unlikely to rack up enough possessions on the wing to be effective in a true outside role.

Finally in case anyone wants to accuse me of cherry picking Aish's 2016 stats while using Greenwood's career totals to suit my argument, in regards to the stats I've used, Greenwood's 21 games in 2016 yielded results spot on his career average.
 

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His back half of last year showed he can be a player. But based on JLT performances; Aish is not best 22 and our least impactful midfielder at the moment. Blair, Greenwood, Phillips, Smith, WHE all ahead of him. As is Wells obviously. At times Aish shows a real lack of intensity which is something I just hate in a player. We can't justify squeezing him into the 22 ahead of any of these guys in my view.
Add Broomy's VFL form and that we're yet to see Wills, there's lots of players in the inside mid queue.
 

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Specifically on Aish I'm a little concerned that in Buckleys post game press conference he mentioned Aish when listing players who can play a role on the wing to allow Sidebottom to play forward. Looking at these stats he is unlikely to rack up enough possessions on the wing to be effective in a true outside role.
Great post.
I'm concerned that Bucks views Aish in a way that doesn't maximise his strengths. To me, Aish has one big trick - clean hands and absolutely elite awareness in traffic. The rest of his game is pretty midddle of the road. Yet, I get the impression that Bucks is very keen for him to be an outside finisher.
 

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That group of players you've listed is a diverse bunch and in my opinion should never be competing for the same spots in the 22. I spent some time this morning reading over some stats and I noticed a trend of sorts. You can classify players as uncontested or contested by the ratio of those possession types. In general players who have a ratio greater than 2:1 are outside uncontested types, and those below your inside contested players. The absolute elite outside players tend to go at a ratio above 3 and the elite inside clearance machines, Dangerfield, JPK, Fyfe etc, at or below 1. Those players you mentioned over their careers go at:

Aish: 1.7, Greenwood: 1.34, Wells: 1.83, Phillips: 3.08, Smith: 3.16, WHE: 1.81, Blair: 1.05

Right away we should take Phillips and Smith out of any discussions about whether Aish plays or not as they clearly play a very different style of game. Next WHE stats are a little meaningless as a midfielder as he has spent most his time forward and the same goes for Blair. Although on Blair that is not a good ratio, he does not win enough of the ball to justify such a low percentage of uncontested possession.

That leaves just Greenwood and Wells left to compete with Aish for a spot. I agree with you that Wells is clearly ahead of Aish but I believe Aish is a better option than Greenwood. Greenwood averages 18 disposals a game, 10up and 8cp. That's a good balance but given his poor disposal that is more like 5up and 8cp. That suddenly does not look so hot for a senior player. Aish on the other hand is young and if we ignore his time at Brisbane his ratio changes to 1.4 at an average of 15 disposals, 9up and 6cp. Given Aish's disposal that is more like 6up and 6cp for an average of 12, one less than Greenwood. Given Aish has much greater scope for improvement than Greenwood and his game on the weekend was more reminiscent of his finish to last season, if it comes down to Aish vs Greenwood for the last spot in round 1 I would prefer to see Aish get the nod.

Specifically on Aish I'm a little concerned that in Buckleys post game press conference he mentioned Aish when listing players who can play a role on the wing to allow Sidebottom to play forward. Looking at these stats he is unlikely to rack up enough possessions on the wing to be effective in a true outside role.

Finally in case anyone wants to accuse me of cherry picking Aish's 2016 stats while using Greenwood's career totals to suit my argument, in regards to the stats I've used, Greenwood's 21 games in 2016 yielded results spot on his career average.
I do worry that as a Purer Outside Player that Aish could Average over 20+ Touches a game
 

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Great post.
I'm concerned that Bucks views Aish in a way that doesn't maximise his strengths. To me, Aish has one big trick - clean hands and absolutely elite awareness in traffic. The rest of his game is pretty midddle of the road. Yet, I get the impression that Bucks is very keen for him to be an outside finisher.
I also getting the Feeling Bucks is not using Aish to he Best Possible Postion. He can play Outside but where he stands out is the Inside Work.

Though I would say his Kicking is Above Average and is a Elite Mark
 

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I also getting the Feeling Bucks is not using Aish to he Best Possible Postion. He can play Outside but where he stands out is the Inside Work.

Though I would say his Kicking is Above Average and is a Elite Mark
Should Bucks use Aish in his best possible position of its to the detriment of the team?
 

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That group of players you've listed is a diverse bunch and in my opinion should never be competing for the same spots in the 22.
They are pretty much directly competing for spots of the bench, Aish, Greenwood, Phillips, Blair, don't command a spot ni the first choice midfield, but are competing for resting forward/bench rotation spots. And While playing style isn't the same, it's what each brings as part of the midfield rotation. i Got Phillips ahead of the group , Aish, Blair, Greenwood are battling for a bench spot. With the likes of Wells, Wills, JDG, Broomy. thats more competition for "midfield" spots. Maybe yet got one more inside type on bench, anemone outside, someone vaguely forwardor ruck, someone vaguely back in a "balnced bench" Phllipsor aish, Blair or greenwood.
 

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I also getting the Feeling Bucks is not using Aish to he Best Possible Postion. He can play Outside but where he stands out is the Inside Work.

Though I would say his Kicking is Above Average and is a Elite Mark
Lol. He is not elite in any component of his game.

Good mark for his size. Good if not inconsistent kick.
 

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Hey guys, sad to report that I think Aish needs a lot of work. If he thinks he can carry this haircut into the season proper then I'm not sure if he is cut out for it really.

You'd think with such a long preseason that he'd of taken his preparation a little more seriously and be a little sharper, but sadly he has really let his hair go. It's a shame to be honest as I always thought he was a player that one of the best potentials in the league for a good looking haircut. I'm sure there is still time to improve on this in the next 2 weeks. I really hope so too because it would be a joy to watch Aish run around with a potentially maximally realised haircut.
 

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Who said it be a Bad Thing?

We don't know yet
If he's costing better players midfield minutes then it's detrimental to the team. He needs to earn his minutes
Hey guys, sad to report that I think Aish needs a lot of work. If he thinks he can carry this haircut into the season proper then I'm not sure if he is cut out for it really.

You'd think with such a long preseason that he'd of taken his preparation a little more seriously and be a little sharper, but sadly he has really let his hair go. It's a shame to be honest as I always thought he was a player that one of the best potentials in the league for a good looking haircut. I'm sure there is still time to improve on this in the next 2 weeks. I really hope so too because it would be a joy to watch Aish run around with a potentially maximally realised haircut.
At least he is good at keeping it dry
 
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