Brown kicked 5 on him in the last quarter of Round 8 2005 when we on the bottom of the ladder.... Clement still won the Copeland that season and was AA.
They had planned to make him captain.
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Brown kicked 5 on him in the last quarter of Round 8 2005 when we on the bottom of the ladder.... Clement still won the Copeland that season and was AA.
They had planned to make him captain.
Silvagni was the inspiration for a movie.
Family always, a little tongue in cheek, sorry if I offended. Big fanHis wife was very sick iirc, family comes first.
It was specifically on the back of figuratively murdering James Hird.He might deserve more respect but not for that.
Besides, Silvagni and others were equally responsible for that rule change.
That’s such a fair call.One of our greatest, ever.
That’s such a fair call.
In that group of best defenders.
Certainly in last 50 years or so he’d make the team (I’d venture that.)
All time there’s a few might relegate him (players like Leach, Rumney makes it hard and even finding room for Fothergill might squeeze out a few but I digress.)
As an example:
Collingwood ~ The Best of 50 years
B. J Clement ~ G Pert ~ S Burns
HB. J Greening ~ W Picken ~ G Brown
C. W Richardson ~ N Buckley (c) ~ S Sidebottom
HF. P Carman ~ D Cloke ~ D Millane
F. P Moore ~ P McKenna ~ P Daicos
R. L Thompson ~ S Pendlebury ~ D Swan
I. B Grundy ~ D Tuddenham ~ B Price ~ A Shaw
C. L Matthews
That is correct, very subjective.May have gone a tad early on Grundy.
Also not sure David Cloke is in the discussion either. Played some great footy but wouldn't get a game as a KPF ahead of either of the Rocca's or his young bloke.
Not sure Sidey's ahead of others either.... yet.
But it's all pretty subjective.
That is correct, very subjective.
For what it’s worth David Cloke carried our team very much, granted much more as a ruck.
To me far superior player to, Anthony Rocca or Sav for that matter, or Travis his son.
That’s overall my view. David was a champion the others weren’t quite that good.
Like all these things it’s a question of who gets left out etc and why one goes in over another.
My team tries to balance the whole thing as closely to best 22 with a little latitude taken with some positions.
We can agree to disagree or you can do a Black_White post and just day you’re right and that’s that.David Cloke's best footy at the Pies was played in the ruck over his first few years. Even then he wasn't getting many taps or possessions, he just threw his not inconsiderable weight around. Irrespective of that, he ain't getting a crack in the ruck ahead of Thompson or Moore (or even Grundy if it came down to it), just not in their league, so you've essentially named him as a KPF, and he's just not in the same discussion as Trav, Sav or Pebbles as a KPF. So we'll just need to agree (subjectivity aside) that your wrong and move on.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...d2=5&type=A&pid1=2219&pid2=1521&fid1=C&fid2=C
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...id2=5&type=A&pid1=2219&pid2=396&fid1=C&fid2=C
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What am I right about now?We can agree to disagree or you can do a Black_White post and just day you’re right and that’s that.
Either or.
For what it’s worth, Anthony and Sav were good players but not particularly extra special.
Good players who sometimes played very well. But that’s their level.
Travis better than those two but just couldn’t kick straight enough. For a while there Travis was as good a contested mark as anyone going around.
David was a far better player than all of them, certainly career wise.
For what it’s worth was also a terrific on field presence and leader.
As for picking between, Travis, Anthony, Sav or David to me it’s not even close, David a gun.
Should have won the Brownlow but broke his arm. Happens.
That is correct, very subjective.
For what it’s worth David Cloke carried our team very much, granted much more as a ruck.
To me far superior player to, Anthony Rocca or Sav for that matter, or Travis his son.
That’s overall my view. David was a champion the others weren’t quite that good.
Like all these things it’s a question of who gets left out etc and why one goes in over another.
My team tries to balance the whole thing as closely to best 22 with a little latitude taken with some positions.
We can agree to disagree or you can do a Black_White post and just day you’re right and that’s that.
Either or.
For what it’s worth, Anthony and Sav were good players but not particularly extra special.
Good players who sometimes played very well. But that’s their level.
Travis better than those two but just couldn’t kick straight enough. For a while there Travis was as good a contested mark as anyone going around.
David was a far better player than all of them, certainly career wise.
For what it’s worth was also a terrific on field presence and leader.
As for picking between, Travis, Anthony, Sav or David to me it’s not even close, David a gun.
Should have won the Brownlow but broke his arm. Happens.
THe following article is mostly all about Longmuir's appointment as senior coach, but towards the end also has a bit about Freo's search for a new CEO -
... Fremantle's CEO search continues'It means everything to me': Longmuir returns to Fremantle Dockers as coach
Fremantle appoints former player and current Collingwood assistant coach Justin Longmuir as head coach after sacking Ross Lyon last month, with Longmuir declaring he has "unfinished business" at the Dockers.www.abc.net.au
... The Dockers are reportedly keen on former defender James Clement for the role.
Clement spent five seasons as a player at Fremantle and another seven at Collingwood, where he featured in two grand final losses and earned All-Australian honours before his retirement in 2007.
He has since enjoyed an active business career.
Clement is currently the CEO of fishing and seafood distribution company Mareterram, having enjoyed a near-decade long career at several financial services firms.
I don't care where you Put David Cloke but J Greening on a HBF is a bit of a stretch. Come to think of it I do care where you put Cloke. Drop him, move Carman to CHF, Greening to the HFF and find and find another half back. Ted Potter and ANdrew Ireland are names that spring to mind.That is correct, very subjective.
For what it’s worth David Cloke carried our team very much, granted much more as a ruck.
To me far superior player to, Anthony Rocca or Sav for that matter, or Travis his son.
That’s overall my view. David was a champion the others weren’t quite that good.
Like all these things it’s a question of who gets left out etc and why one goes in over another.
My team tries to balance the whole thing as closely to best 22 with a little latitude taken with some positions.
Or morwood to the back flank.I don't care where you Put David Cloke but J Greening on a HBF is a bit of a stretch. Come to think of it I do care where you put Cloke. Drop him, move Carman to CHF, Greening to the HFF and find and find another half back. Ted Potter and ANdrew Ireland are names that spring to mind.
FWIW I'd have Greening ruck roving - one of our best 3 in the past 50 years
To make that team work, greening to the wing, Steele to the forward pocket,That’s such a fair call.
In that group of best defenders.
Certainly in last 50 years or so he’d make the team (I’d venture that.)
All time there’s a few might relegate him (players like Leach, Rumney makes it hard and even finding room for Fothergill might squeeze out a few but I digress.)
As an example:
Collingwood ~ The Best of 50 years
B. J Clement ~ G Pert ~ S Burns
HB. J Greening ~ W Picken ~ G Brown
C. W Richardson ~ N Buckley (c) ~ S Sidebottom
HF. P Carman ~ D Cloke ~ D Millane
F. P Moore ~ P McKenna ~ P Daicos
R. L Thompson ~ S Pendlebury ~ D Swan
I. B Grundy ~ D Tuddenham ~ B Price ~ A Shaw
C. L Matthews