Roast James Clement deserves more respect

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loki04 said:
They had planned to make him captain.
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IIRC prior to the 2007 season Bucks suggested that he may stand down as captain and that Clement would make a great replacement. Eddie was furious and Bucks remained captain and the talk at the time was that in 2008 an offer was being made again to Jonathan Brown which would have included the captaincy.
 

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He’s the top of the respect pile.

In my best Collingwood back 6 of the last 50 years.
That good!
 
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Leviathan Pie said:
One of our greatest, ever.
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That’s such a fair call.
In that group of best defenders.
Certainly in last 50 years or so he’d make the team (I’d venture that.)
All time there’s a few might relegate him (players like Leach, Rumney makes it hard and even finding room for Fothergill might squeeze out a few but I digress.)



As an example:

Collingwood ~ The Best of 50 years

B. J Clement ~ G Pert ~ S Burns

HB. J Greening ~ W Picken ~ G Brown

C. W Richardson ~ N Buckley (c) ~ S Sidebottom

HF. P Carman ~ D Cloke ~ D Millane

F. P Moore ~ P McKenna ~ P Daicos

R. L Thompson ~ S Pendlebury ~ D Swan

I. B Grundy ~ D Tuddenham ~ B Price ~ A Shaw

C. L Matthews
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clement
it was considered possible that Clement would take over the captaincy of the Collingwood side from Nathan Buckley,[2] however he announced his surprise retirement at the end of the 2007 season.[3] Later it was revealed he retired to support his wife Jeanne, who has autoimmune kidney failure.[
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Saintly Viewed said:
That’s such a fair call.
In that group of best defenders.
Certainly in last 50 years or so he’d make the team (I’d venture that.)
All time there’s a few might relegate him (players like Leach, Rumney makes it hard and even finding room for Fothergill might squeeze out a few but I digress.)



As an example:

Collingwood ~ The Best of 50 years

B. J Clement ~ G Pert ~ S Burns

HB. J Greening ~ W Picken ~ G Brown

C. W Richardson ~ N Buckley (c) ~ S Sidebottom

HF. P Carman ~ D Cloke ~ D Millane

F. P Moore ~ P McKenna ~ P Daicos

R. L Thompson ~ S Pendlebury ~ D Swan

I. B Grundy ~ D Tuddenham ~ B Price ~ A Shaw

C. L Matthews
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May have gone a tad early on Grundy.

Also not sure David Cloke is in the discussion either. Played some great footy but wouldn't get a game as a KPF ahead of either of the Rocca's or his young bloke.

Not sure Sidey's ahead of others either.... yet.

But it's all pretty subjective.
 

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jackcass said:
May have gone a tad early on Grundy.

Also not sure David Cloke is in the discussion either. Played some great footy but wouldn't get a game as a KPF ahead of either of the Rocca's or his young bloke.

Not sure Sidey's ahead of others either.... yet.

But it's all pretty subjective.
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That is correct, very subjective.

For what it’s worth David Cloke carried our team very much, granted much more as a ruck.
To me far superior player to, Anthony Rocca or Sav for that matter, or Travis his son.
That’s overall my view. David was a champion the others weren’t quite that good.

Like all these things it’s a question of who gets left out etc and why one goes in over another.
My team tries to balance the whole thing as closely to best 22 with a little latitude taken with some positions.
 
Saintly Viewed said:
That is correct, very subjective.

For what it’s worth David Cloke carried our team very much, granted much more as a ruck.
To me far superior player to, Anthony Rocca or Sav for that matter, or Travis his son.
That’s overall my view. David was a champion the others weren’t quite that good.

Like all these things it’s a question of who gets left out etc and why one goes in over another.
My team tries to balance the whole thing as closely to best 22 with a little latitude taken with some positions.
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David Cloke's best footy at the Pies was played in the ruck over his first few years. Even then he wasn't getting many taps or possessions, he just threw his not inconsiderable weight around. Irrespective of that, he ain't getting a crack in the ruck ahead of Thompson or Moore (or even Grundy if it came down to it), just not in their league, so you've essentially named him as a KPF, and he's just not in the same discussion as Trav, Sav or Pebbles as a KPF. So we'll just need to agree (subjectivity aside) that your wrong and move on.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...d2=5&type=A&pid1=2219&pid2=1521&fid1=C&fid2=C

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...id2=5&type=A&pid1=2219&pid2=396&fid1=C&fid2=C

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...id2=5&type=A&pid1=2219&pid2=177&fid1=C&fid2=C
 
jackcass said:
David Cloke's best footy at the Pies was played in the ruck over his first few years. Even then he wasn't getting many taps or possessions, he just threw his not inconsiderable weight around. Irrespective of that, he ain't getting a crack in the ruck ahead of Thompson or Moore (or even Grundy if it came down to it), just not in their league, so you've essentially named him as a KPF, and he's just not in the same discussion as Trav, Sav or Pebbles as a KPF. So we'll just need to agree (subjectivity aside) that your wrong and move on.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...d2=5&type=A&pid1=2219&pid2=1521&fid1=C&fid2=C

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...id2=5&type=A&pid1=2219&pid2=396&fid1=C&fid2=C

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...id2=5&type=A&pid1=2219&pid2=177&fid1=C&fid2=C
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We can agree to disagree or you can do a Black_White post and just day you’re right and that’s that.

Either or. ;)

For what it’s worth, Anthony and Sav were good players but not particularly extra special.
Good players who sometimes played very well. But that’s their level.
Travis better than those two but just couldn’t kick straight enough. For a while there Travis was as good a contested mark as anyone going around.

David was a far better player than all of them, certainly career wise.
For what it’s worth was also a terrific on field presence and leader.
As for picking between, Travis, Anthony, Sav or David to me it’s not even close, David a gun.
Should have won the Brownlow but broke his arm. Happens.
 
Saintly Viewed said:
We can agree to disagree or you can do a Black_White post and just day you’re right and that’s that.

Either or. ;)

For what it’s worth, Anthony and Sav were good players but not particularly extra special.
Good players who sometimes played very well. But that’s their level.
Travis better than those two but just couldn’t kick straight enough. For a while there Travis was as good a contested mark as anyone going around.

David was a far better player than all of them, certainly career wise.
For what it’s worth was also a terrific on field presence and leader.
As for picking between, Travis, Anthony, Sav or David to me it’s not even close, David a gun.
Should have won the Brownlow but broke his arm. Happens.
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What am I right about now?
Don’t even know the subject, but you’re spot on, I’m definitely right!
 
Saintly Viewed said:
That is correct, very subjective.

For what it’s worth David Cloke carried our team very much, granted much more as a ruck.
To me far superior player to, Anthony Rocca or Sav for that matter, or Travis his son.
That’s overall my view. David was a champion the others weren’t quite that good.

Like all these things it’s a question of who gets left out etc and why one goes in over another.
My team tries to balance the whole thing as closely to best 22 with a little latitude taken with some positions.
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Jeez, I reckon you've gone way over the top on D. Cloke. Was recruited as a CHF. Was a major disappointment in that role. Played some very good footy as a follower, but was regularlysmashed in ruck duels.
 
Saintly Viewed said:
We can agree to disagree or you can do a Black_White post and just day you’re right and that’s that.

Either or. ;)

For what it’s worth, Anthony and Sav were good players but not particularly extra special.
Good players who sometimes played very well. But that’s their level.
Travis better than those two but just couldn’t kick straight enough. For a while there Travis was as good a contested mark as anyone going around.

David was a far better player than all of them, certainly career wise.
For what it’s worth was also a terrific on field presence and leader.
As for picking between, Travis, Anthony, Sav or David to me it’s not even close, David a gun.
Should have won the Brownlow but broke his arm. Happens.
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I reckon Sav is sorely underrated. His goal kicking record was amazing.
 
THe following article is mostly all about Longmuir's appointment as senior coach, but towards the end also has a bit about Freo's search for a new CEO -
www.abc.net.au

'It means everything to me': Longmuir returns to Fremantle Dockers as coach

Fremantle appoints former player and current Collingwood assistant coach Justin Longmuir as head coach after sacking Ross Lyon last month, with Longmuir declaring he has "unfinished business" at the Dockers.
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... Fremantle's CEO search continues
... The Dockers are reportedly keen on former defender James Clement for the role.

Clement spent five seasons as a player at Fremantle and another seven at Collingwood, where he featured in two grand final losses and earned All-Australian honours before his retirement in 2007.

He has since enjoyed an active business career.

Clement is currently the CEO of fishing and seafood distribution company Mareterram, having enjoyed a near-decade long career at several financial services firms.
 
Professor Knowall said:
THe following article is mostly all about Longmuir's appointment as senior coach, but towards the end also has a bit about Freo's search for a new CEO -
www.abc.net.au

'It means everything to me': Longmuir returns to Fremantle Dockers as coach

Fremantle appoints former player and current Collingwood assistant coach Justin Longmuir as head coach after sacking Ross Lyon last month, with Longmuir declaring he has "unfinished business" at the Dockers.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
... Fremantle's CEO search continues
... The Dockers are reportedly keen on former defender James Clement for the role.

Clement spent five seasons as a player at Fremantle and another seven at Collingwood, where he featured in two grand final losses and earned All-Australian honours before his retirement in 2007.

He has since enjoyed an active business career.

Clement is currently the CEO of fishing and seafood distribution company Mareterram, having enjoyed a near-decade long career at several financial services firms.
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I did some brief work with Clement a couple of years ago. An absolute gentleman. Very professional and level headed. Freo could do worse than recruit him.
 
Saintly Viewed said:
That is correct, very subjective.

For what it’s worth David Cloke carried our team very much, granted much more as a ruck.
To me far superior player to, Anthony Rocca or Sav for that matter, or Travis his son.
That’s overall my view. David was a champion the others weren’t quite that good.

Like all these things it’s a question of who gets left out etc and why one goes in over another.
My team tries to balance the whole thing as closely to best 22 with a little latitude taken with some positions.
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I don't care where you Put David Cloke but J Greening on a HBF is a bit of a stretch. Come to think of it I do care where you put Cloke. Drop him, move Carman to CHF, Greening to the HFF and find and find another half back. Ted Potter and ANdrew Ireland are names that spring to mind.
FWIW I'd have Greening ruck roving - one of our best 3 in the past 50 years
 
Countrypie said:
I don't care where you Put David Cloke but J Greening on a HBF is a bit of a stretch. Come to think of it I do care where you put Cloke. Drop him, move Carman to CHF, Greening to the HFF and find and find another half back. Ted Potter and ANdrew Ireland are names that spring to mind.
FWIW I'd have Greening ruck roving - one of our best 3 in the past 50 years
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Or morwood to the back flank.
With Grundy Thompson and Moore l think saintly gone heavy with the rucks.
 
Saintly Viewed said:
That’s such a fair call.
In that group of best defenders.
Certainly in last 50 years or so he’d make the team (I’d venture that.)
All time there’s a few might relegate him (players like Leach, Rumney makes it hard and even finding room for Fothergill might squeeze out a few but I digress.)



As an example:

Collingwood ~ The Best of 50 years

B. J Clement ~ G Pert ~ S Burns

HB. J Greening ~ W Picken ~ G Brown

C. W Richardson ~ N Buckley (c) ~ S Sidebottom

HF. P Carman ~ D Cloke ~ D Millane

F. P Moore ~ P McKenna ~ P Daicos

R. L Thompson ~ S Pendlebury ~ D Swan

I. B Grundy ~ D Tuddenham ~ B Price ~ A Shaw

C. L Matthews
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To make that team work, greening to the wing, Steele to the forward pocket,
lose Cloke, Moore to chf, and bring in Morwood to the back flank.
 
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