Jarrod Kimber: The Ugly Australian

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When they were speared, they had a side better equipped than any other to challenge the West Indies. They had just utterly destroyed an Australian side that was full of quality shortly before their turfing.

Their re-entry into the sport was to make the World Cup semi finals (should have made the final probably), getting within 50 runs of beating the West Indies at Kensington Oval in their first test for 20 years and then winning a series against India.
Given the volume of star players who never even played a test, I think it’s more likely that they would have competed than not
The Saffers flogged Australia in the 1970 tour, no doubt. And a great side, no doubt either

But “An Australian side full of quality”? Questionable for mine.
 

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The Saffers flogged Australia in the 1970 tour, no doubt. And a great side, no doubt either

But “An Australian side full of quality”? Questionable for mine.
Australia’s attack wasn’t great beyond Mallett and McKenzie but the batting was quality - Lawry, Chappell, Redpath, Stackpole, Walters.
 

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I don’t think Stackpole was good enough to be called top quality, but the other names I agree with. Funnily enough Connolly got most of the wickets, no-one else did a thing.
 

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Australia’s attack wasn’t great beyond Mallett and McKenzie but the batting was quality - Lawry, Chappell, Redpath, Stackpole, Walters.
They lost to an average England side at home in 70/71 with Chappell, Marsh and Lillee all debuting. I agree it was a great South African side but we were a side in transition at the time.
 

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Aussies can be pretty ugly in the pursuit of winning games. Every week I am amazed at how many parents are encouraging their children at Auskick for behaviour - like tackling - that is flat out against the rules. Ignorance or a desire to watch their kid "win" or "dominate"

I think cricket is a bit unique in capacity for poor behaviour to take hold. Hours and hours of time to be filled in by extremely competitive people. Lots of other sports the games are so much shorter and more athletically demanding that there isn't often time or energy enough for niggle to escalate too far.

Kimbers article was interesting and I agree with most of his points but he wasn't shy about gilding the lily I felt. Also a massive campaigner to publish an article like that on ANZAC day IMO.
 
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I've played club cricket in Australia and England and it is a lot different here

A lot more competitive here. A lot more verbal stuff. Feels like everyone is playing to win here whereas in England there's more a friendly atmosphere in their club games. A nice afternoon for a hit eh what

That win-at-all-costs mentality we have is a double edged sword - it means that games are genuine contests, hard-fought affairs with everyone giving their all (good). It also means that the desire to win spills over into below the belt sledging at times (bad).

It would be nice to strike that perfect balance where teams throw everything in their skill arsenal at each other but leave the verbal stuff alone but I'm not sure this is possible. I don't think you can have a no holds barred skill contest where there is absolutely no spillover into any untowards stuff.

It's a very fine line. Would take extremely heavy policing from umpires/tribunals.

I didn't really like the club cricket atmosphere in England to be honest. I'm not a sledger at all but the lack of competitive spirit and lower intensity games didn't do it for me. You almost felt guilty for caring, for charging in and going 100%.

The article itself makes a few good points but lets itself down by deliberately only telling part of the story in order to fit their preferred narrative. Just as an example the article talks about Stuart Broad not walking and the Aussies attitude to it - How did India react when Andrew Symonds didn't walk at the SCG?
 

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That 1970 Australian touring side has just come off a two month 5 test tour of India (which they won, the last Australian side to do so prior to 2004) before heading straight to South Africa where they had to deal with a complete opposite in terms of playing conditions - they were all cooked and they got belted. If that Australian side was fresh it may have been a different result.
 
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