Jason Dunstall vs Tony Lockett

[Grongey]

Add goal assists to Dunstall's stats and they'd look a lot better. JD would give it off, where many would do the U turn and snap.

You'd have to take Dunstall for the same reason you'd have to take Gary Jnr before Gary Snr.

And JD's one of the best on air analysts going around, together with Gerard Healy.

 

[BF Tiger]

I suppose Dunstall never had enough presence for you the day he kicked 17 against Richmond. I hope you were sitting in the stands eating popcorn.

BigFooty at it's finest - when someone thinks that the team that someone else supports invalidates an opinion.

Your man Dunstall certainly had no presence the day Scott Turner held him to zero. I think it was 1995. I was supping plenty of cold ones that day.

Anyway...

Dunstall v Richmond - 111 goals from 20 games (5.55 goals/game)
Locket v Richmond - 89 goals from 17 games (5.23 goals/game)

If you want to continue to be a peanut and split that then go ahead.

I acknowledged Dunstall as a great and I was judging them on the entire careers, not just against Richmond. So STFU.

 

[The_Wookie]

Can i change my vote to ken farmer?

 

[Trav 20]

Dunstall was the better team player and Lockett was clearly the better individual footballer.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

I get erect thinking of both of them in their prime.

 

[JeffDunne]

Derm?

Of course.

I'm surprised you needed to ask.

 

[Demon 16]

Taking nothing away from him, as he was a genuine gun, but Dunstall did get it lace-out in a side that dominated their era.

Plugger played more than half his career in a pretty poor side.

For this, and the way he single handedly gripped all of Sydney with a presence I've only ever seen in a handful of players, I'll lean towards Plugger, but only slightly.

 

[TheGhostOfJohnBelushi]

As much as Lockett performed in poorer sides, that also meant he was usually the only avenue to goal (remember, this is back in the day where a spare man back was considered a "clogged" forward line). Whereas Dunstall could have slammed home even more had he not had so many talented players hogging goals for themselves.

Having watched both play, Dunstall was better.

 

[fidstar]

Lockett

 

[Demon 16]

Taking nothing away from him, as he was a genuine gun, but Dunstall did get it lace-out in a side that dominated their era.

Plugger played more than half his career in a pretty poor side.

For this, and the way he single handedly gripped all of Sydney with a presence I've only ever seen in a handful of players, I'll lean towards Plugger, but only slightly.

Also, he won a brownlow in a poor side and I Havnt seen too many full forwards win brownlows.

 

[cammo78]

Tough one to split, both very good footballers.

To be fair - and not having a crack at you personally - the only people finding it hard to split are Hawthorn supporters.

The rest know it's Plugger by a street.

 

[Ricmel]

What a shame we don't see similar feats nowadays...between them they kicked 10+ in a game 38 times!!

Ronald Dale said Lockett was the most skillfull player he ever saw. I go with that....he was a big bloke but he very rarely fumbled and was one touch below his knees. Had he not been afflicted with asthma he may well have kicked the 180 in a season he so often looked like doing.

Dunstall for me was a more meat and potatoes footballer but probably one of the best finishers of a team play ever to have played the game. Was a very good lead up with strong hands in teams that were very good at getting the ball to him.

Lockett was simply the most dominant player I ever saw. When he was "on" nothing could stop him.

 

[HawkMongrel]

Dunstall is one of the biggest morons to ever grace the AFL

Clearly has more intelligence in his pinky finger than you have in total.

He came onto the Hawthorn board and forced changes that directly led us to winning two flags in recent times. What have you done in your life pal?

 

[HawkMongrel]

What a stupid post

Gee, all that success St Kilda has had over the years really proves Bunk wrong.

 

[HawkMongrel]

Why yes I do. Hudson > Dunstall; Lockett > Hudson, ergo...

lol you're embarrassing yourself

 

[Pessimistic]

Just be thankful you got to saw all three or four if you include carey

 

[Pessimistic]

Plugger by a fair margin for mine.

Dunstall an all time great - but had outstanding service for most, if not all, of his career.

Plugger played the first 11 seasons of his in mainly shithouse sides (particularly some of those 80's St Kilda sides) and kicked ton after ton and winning a Brownlow.

Also one of the scariest bastards to have laced a boot.

they say that but dunstall basically carried the hawks in the nineties

 

[Wes Tiger]

Add goal assists to Dunstall's stats and they'd look a lot better. JD would give it off, where many would do the U turn and snap.

You'd have to take Dunstall for the same reason you'd have to take Gary Jnr before Gary Snr.

And JD's one of the best on air analysts going around, together with Gerard Healy.

couldnt agree more. Both those guys are the best and unbiased in the business.

 

[Pessimistic]

To be fair - and not having a crack at you personally - the only people finding it hard to split are Hawthorn supporters.

The rest know it's Plugger by a street.

We are known for our fair commentary.

No way would the hawks have entertained a plugger* personality and they did tell gary ablett snr to go forth.

plugger didn't even crack a flag at Sydney and as we have seen, the league would have done anything to get Sydney a flag

* That they recruited spider in 2003ish illustrates how low we got in that period

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Ablett to draw a crowd.

Lockett to win a game.

Dunstall to win a flag.

 

[Trav 20]

As much as Lockett performed in poorer sides, that also meant he was usually the only avenue to goal (remember, this is back in the day where a spare man back was considered a "clogged" forward line). Whereas Dunstall could have slammed home even more had he not had so many talented players hogging goals for themselves.

Having watched both play, Dunstall was better.

It is so much harder to perform consistently well in a crap team it's not funny. This is why plenty of players that looked good in a great team could barely even make it in a crap team.

Having watched both play, Lockett was better.

 

[giantsully]

Both giants of the game. Had the pleasure to watch Plugger week in week out and unquestionably the best FF I've ever seen (playing in teams far inferior to Dunstall's). But no dig at Dunstall - he was a genius too.

 

[giantsully]

I'd argue Lockett would probably kick about 45 a year... he'd only play 4 games and be suspended for 18

Still be enough to win the Coleman these days!

 

[Wes Tiger]

Dunstall. Machine.

Lead out. Chest mark. Kick a goal. Kick a goal. Kick a kick a goal.

On field and off field a better player.

One of the few brilliant full forwards not to be completely batsh*t crazy.

hahaha brings back memories of that song.

 

[Mitchell19]

Plugger by a fair margin for mine.

Dunstall an all time great - but had outstanding service for most, if not all, of his career.

Plugger played the first 11 seasons of his in mainly shithouse sides (particularly some of those 80's St Kilda sides) and kicked ton after ton and winning a Brownlow.

Also one of the scariest bastards to have laced a boot.

Plugger did kick ton after ton he got 6 of them in his 18 year career which is awesome! Of course Dunstall also kicked the ton 6 times in his 14 year career which is equally awesome.

As I noted earlier in the thread I also personally don't think the "crap sides" argument should carry any weight in this discussion as Lockett won only 2 B&F in that "crap" St Kilda side as opposed to Dunstall's 4 in the "star studded" (not disagreeing) hawthorn team.

On the Brownlow thing, cant argue it's a massive effort for Plugger to have won a brownlow as a full forward. No-one does that! Even in Dunstall's 145 goal year he came runner up to Wynd in the Brownlow. On that note Dunstall got 129 votes in his 269 games vs Lockett's 128 from 281. (But importantly Plugger will forever be a Browlnow medallist and Dunstall never will.)

100% agree Plugger was the scariest bugger to play in my viewing life though!!