Jason Holder- a modern day great?

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Jason Holder has been quietly becoming one of the best Test Cricketers in the world in my opinion.

Averaging 33 with the bat and 27 with the ball, all the while, restoring unity amongst a very fractured West Indian team and managing to control board influence, he's done an incredible job to maintain such high standards in a very high pressure role.

Modern day great might be overdoing it a little, but his record is amongst the best of the modern era (Kallis is in a league of his own) and I don't think he gets anywhere near enough credit for what he's already achieved and is continuing to do.

Well done Jason Holder.


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He’s only going to get better too. He’s averaged something like 19 with the ball and nearly 50 with the bat over the last 10-12 games. He has to bat higher - An in form bravo aside, he’s got comfortably the best technique in the side.

Tragically over that period I mentioned, the two most prolific and undoubtedly best batsman have been he and Dowrich (injured for this series) and they bat at 7 and 8. Lack of discipline is crippling us at the moment. Exacerbated by the fact that the attack is more often than not doing its job
 

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Yeah it's disappointing some of the other guys haven't gotten better like he has. Brathwaite has been disappointing for a long time and while Hope has been exceptional by WI standards in ODIs he never really kicked on after that big England game a few years ago in Tests.
 

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He’s only going to get better too. He’s averaged something like 19 with the ball and nearly 50 with the bat over the last 10-12 games. He has to bat higher - An in form bravo aside, he’s got comfortably the best technique in the side.

Tragically over that period I mentioned, the two most prolific and undoubtedly best batsman have been he and Dowrich (injured for this series) and they bat at 7 and 8. Lack of discipline is crippling us at the moment. Exacerbated by the fact that the attack is more often than not doing its job
Those are his averages in the last 5 games because of his 202*. Its more like 40 and 18 in his last 10-12 games.
 

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Those are his averages in the last 5 games because of his 202*. Its more like 40 and 18 in his last 10-12 games.
It’s 44 over the last 10 to be precise. Take it back 12 tests and the average drops to 41 or something but it does include an extra century.

It’s also worth remembering that because of where he bats, he almost routinely has to give up his wicket going the slog.

With the ball he’s taken 48 at 14.

Those figures, even distorted by the double hundred, are insane.
Bat him at 6 and I’m confident he would average 40 comfortably without needing big outliers to prop it up
 

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Jason Holder has been quietly becoming one of the best Test Cricketers in the world in my opinion.

Averaging 33 with the bat and 27 with the ball, all the while, restoring unity amongst a very fractured West Indian team and managing to control board influence, he's done an incredible job to maintain such high standards in a very high pressure role.

Modern day great might be overdoing it a little, but his record is amongst the best of the modern era (Kallis is in a league of his own) and I don't think he gets anywhere near enough credit for what he's already achieved and is continuing to do.

Well done Jason Holder.


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very underated going by his stats.
better than flintoff 32/33 and similar to botham 34/28 !!
certainly should be batting at 6 with the current west indies team and is a genuine #7.
 

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very underated going by his stats.
better than flintoff 32/33 and similar to botham 34/28 !!
certainly should be batting at 6 with the current west indies team and is a genuine #7.
Maybe I’m reading too much into just how graceful he is but I think he’d be a top 6 batsman in basically any side atm bar England (and that’s only because stokes is there - root and maybe bairstow aside he’s got the rest covered).

He has a beautiful style.
 

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Ideally a full West Indies side would play to their strengths - bat holder at 6, Dowrich at 7, and Joseph, Roach, Gabriel and Cornwall as the bowlers.
 

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His record away from the Caribbean is pretty poor even though it is still a small sample. If he can improve that he'll definitely get the same recognition as Stokes gets.
 

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Probably my favourite cricketer on the planet. The OP summed it up well. Such a humble bloke too.

Funnily enough, my other favourite is Kohli lol. Not quite apples and apples there.
 

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Probably my favourite cricketer on the planet. The OP summed it up well. Such a humble bloke too.

Funnily enough, my other favourite is Kohli lol. Not quite apples and apples there.
One of his big problems early on was that he probably didn’t rate his bowling enough and just used himself to contain. That has changed. I hope the same realisation happens with his batting. I can kind of respect his ‘the batsmen are there to make runs’ approach but at some point he needs to realise he’s among the best of them
 

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Is a modern day great for sure, but I think he will unfortunately go down in memory a bit like Chanderpaul. A bit of an afterthought when considering the era simply because the side he was in did not accomplish much (although if he can go full Imran Khan and also build up a young generation of cricketers in addition to having crazy allround stats he will have one of the best legacies in cricket).
 

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Is a modern day great for sure, but I think he will unfortunately go down in memory a bit like Chanderpaul. A bit of an afterthought when considering the era simply because the side he was in did not accomplish much (although if he can go full Imran Khan and also build up a young generation of cricketers in addition to having crazy allround stats he will have one of the best legacies in cricket).

The thing in holder’s favour is that the players around him, though yet to do much, have genuine talent and youth on their side.

Shiv had mostly journeymen and gap-fillers around him. It isn’t guaranteed to happen for Holder and his side but they DO have the potential to get there.
 

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The thing in holder’s favour is that the players around him, though yet to do much, have genuine talent and youth on their side.

Shiv had mostly journeymen and gap-fillers around him. It isn’t guaranteed to happen for Holder and his side but they DO have the potential to get there.
I think a crucial difference is that Shiv was never really a great leader, and his stint as captain really only came about because of lack of other reliable options at the time, and because he was a consistently great cricketer and mainstay of the West Indian representative side.

Holder on the other hand was initially selected and retained his spot (ahead of more naturally talented blokes) because of his leadership and ability to bring the team together, and he's now backing that up with elite performances with bat and ball.
 

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