Jay Schulz

[macca23]

but lets get some perspective and understand what it's like to be young

So you are condoning his choice to drive after drinking alcohol when the rules of the land say P plate drivers have zero allowance for alcohol?

You're reasonably satisfied with him driving at 80 kph in a 40 kph zone after drinking on P plates?

That's not being young - that's being plain stupid.

The debate about the sponsorship is a totally different issue.

 

[Stiffy_18]

stiff you shouldnt make comments like that when you have no knowledge of the club. You dont know what the club wants to do, and i havent heard them say specifically they are going to keep their first and second rounders.

Waynes_world is right, in that they would have kept 12, and not got thompson if they are apparently following this strategy. I'd have no problem trading our first rounders, or second, as long as it is for proven young talent. Schultz isnt this, so i would not expect it to happen. Waters and butler is another matter, depending on their progress this yr.

Mate have you lived under a rock??????

Steven Trigg, John Reid, Neil Craig, James Fantasia and Alan Stewart have all said on 5AA that we will be keeping our 1st and 2nd round draft picks unless there are exceptional circumstances. The reason we are not going to trade these is because of club's beleif that we need to build our list from bottom up. They have started saying this before the trade period and have continued to do so for the last few months. I honestly cannot understand how you haven't heard this. If you lived outside of SA I would have understood that but you seem to be listening to 5AA a fair bit so I am very surprised that you haven't heard these comments.

We traded pick 12 (which was WC's pick) for Thompson because we needed to get a young player who can play in the midfield and has some experience under his belt. Another policy that the club mentioned is that if we are going to lose a quality player then our first preference will always be to replace them with a player of same or similar value.

 

[tribey]

Another policy that the club mentioned is that if we are going to lose a quality player then our first preference will always be to replace them with a player of same or similar value.

A noble precedent set when Brett "The Rock" Chalmers went back to Alberton in exchange for Ian "The Enforcer" Downsborough.

 

[tinman]

So you are condoning his choice to drive after drinking alcohol when the rules of the land say P plate drivers have zero allowance for alcohol?

You're reasonably satisfied with him driving at 80 kph in a 40 kph zone after drinking on P plates?

That's not being young - that's being plain stupid.

The debate about the sponsorship is a totally different issue.

I agree with you Macca. He is just fortunate that no-one was killed or injured. I suppose there aren't many kids out playing or riding bikes at the time he was on the road.....

But you guys are to some extent arguing different points. While Schulz is responsible for this idiotic behaviour - Royce Vardy is just as responsible for the club losing sponsorship. The club was put on notice after the Vardy incident and if they didn't drum that into the players then they are also just as stupid.

BTW, FoxFooty used the banner "Drink drving mishap" on their show last night. This really irked me, I mean how is it as "mishap"? Was it a "mishap" that he was caught?

It is not a mishap or accident when people get drunk and drive, it is an accident waiting to happen though. Surely the guys earns enough cash to catch a cab?

Hopefully Schulz can learn from this, the consequences could have been a LOT worse. As long as he does learn his lesson then I would consider having him at the Crows, but he would certainly need to show the right signs. Anyway, it would be confusing to have two "Sarges" at the club.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So you are condoning his choice to drive after drinking alcohol when the rules of the land say P plate drivers have zero allowance for alcohol?

You're reasonably satisfied with him driving at 80 kph in a 40 kph zone after drinking on P plates?

That's not being young - that's being plain stupid.

The debate about the sponsorship is a totally different issue.

With the decision Shultz took to speed & drink-drive whilst on P-Plates, he demonstrated that he isn't responsible to hold a driver's license. He was a complete idiot, any way you look at it. He wass lucky no one was injured as just need to look at the carnage on SA road in the last month to see that too many young drivers have lost their lives.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So you are condoning his choice to drive after drinking alcohol when the rules of the land say P plate drivers have zero allowance for alcohol?

You're reasonably satisfied with him driving at 80 kph in a 40 kph zone after drinking on P plates?

That's not being young - that's being plain stupid.

The debate about the sponsorship is a totally different issue.

Macca in every post I have made on this topic I have said plainly what he did is not acceptable! - please don't mis-interpret my views on that

"That's not being young - that's being plain stupid" - isn't that the definition of being young .

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hopefully Schulz can learn from this, the consequences could have been a LOT worse. As long as he does learn his lesson then I would consider having him at the Crows, but he would certainly need to show the right signs. Anyway, it would be confusing to have two "Sarges" at the club.

How condescending!

Thats very nice of you that if he passes all your tests of morality and public behaviour then you MAY consider him.

People in glass houses...........

FFS its a footy game - nothing has been said about the Federal politician who also has been caught over the limit - more senior, surely more worldly and knowledgable but lets burn the 19 year old footy player

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Mate have you lived under a rock??????

Steven Trigg, John Reid, Neil Craig, James Fantasia and Alan Stewart have all said on 5AA that we will be keeping our 1st and 2nd round draft picks unless there are exceptional circumstances. The reason we are not going to trade these is because of club's beleif that we need to build our list from bottom up. They have started saying this before the trade period and have continued to do so for the last few months.

Stiffy we have not said this isn't a sound policy, but like all policies it's not cement bound.

You have said lets not get mid age players but yet appear to support the recruiting of Fevola??
That represents a change of your views which I understand, and that's what Iam saying lets be flexible enough to never say never and judge each opportunity on its merit.

That means if a Cooney, Walters ect become avaiable and requires a 1st round draft and they represent the exact type of player we want in the draft then we should and WIL do the deal.
If the exact player we need is not available then yes we will go to the draft - but I believe that has always been our policy anyway - forget about the public utterances

 

[Stiffy_18]

Stiffy we have not said this isn't a sound policy, but like all policies it's not cement bound.

You have said lets not get mid age players but yet appear to support the recruiting of Fevola??
That represents a change of your views which I understand, and that's what Iam saying lets be flexible enough to never say never and judge each opportunity on its merit.

That means if a Cooney, Walters ect become avaiable and requires a 1st round draft and they represent the exact type of player we want in the draft then we should and WIL do the deal.
If the exact player we need is not available then yes we will go to the draft - but I believe that has always been our policy anyway - forget about the public utterances

Thats pretty much it.

What the club is saying that in order for them to trade their picks it would have to be for players who can give at least 8 year service to the club. So gone are the days of trading for 27 + year olds. Club understands that we need to inject youth into the list and if someone like Cooney became available and it required us trading our 1st round pick I am sure we would do it.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Thats pretty much it.

What the club is saying that in order for them to trade their picks it would have to be for players who can give at least 8 year service to the club. So gone are the days of trading for 27 + year olds. Club understands that we need to inject youth into the list and if someone like Cooney became available and it required us trading our 1st round pick I am sure we would do it.

Correct as the club understands it will take 2-3 years to assemble a team capable of challenging for the flag - therefore you want players who will be in their prime at that stage.

 

[outback jack]

Mate have you lived under a rock??????

Steven Trigg, John Reid, Neil Craig, James Fantasia and Alan Stewart have all said on 5AA that we will be keeping our 1st and 2nd round draft picks unless there are exceptional circumstances. The reason we are not going to trade these is because of club's beleif that we need to build our list from bottom up. They have started saying this before the trade period and have continued to do so for the last few months. I honestly cannot understand how you haven't heard this. If you lived outside of SA I would have understood that but you seem to be listening to 5AA a fair bit so I am very surprised that you haven't heard these comments.

We traded pick 12 (which was WC's pick) for Thompson because we needed to get a young player who can play in the midfield and has some experience under his belt. Another policy that the club mentioned is that if we are going to lose a quality player then our first preference will always be to replace them with a player of same or similar value.

i listen to 5AA 2-3 times a week, sometimes more and have never heard this. I have heard that we will be keeping our earlier picks, but nothing in relation to 1st or 2nd rounders specifically. If a SA guy wants to come of quality they will have a go i'm sure. The thompson trade directly goes against this policy. Especially considering his injury prone career. I have always thought that we traded for Thompson, as high as we did, because NC wants to have a good year, (due to his shocking appointment) and he got a ready made player which lessens stengleins loss and stops us having a weaken midfield. You cant have it both ways saying that well keep our 1st and 2nd rounders, but also trade for replacement, they sorta contradict each other i think.

Generally it has been the policy of all clubs except ours to keep their high picks unless they're trying to get a quality player, esp forward. Time we tell how dedicated we are to keeping to our 'policy' if this is the case. Would be very disappointed if we didnt have a go at someone with obvious quality, like waters, because of our policy and let port get him cheap. Its not unlike them to do a stupid thing like that.

 

[macca23]

i listen to 5AA 2-3 times a week, sometimes more and have never heard this. I have heard that we will be keeping our earlier picks, but nothing in relation to 1st or 2nd rounders specifically. If a SA guy wants to come of quality they will have a go i'm sure. The thompson trade directly goes against this policy.

Sorry, jackie boy, but it doesn't. We kept every one of our draft picks which is the recently stated policy of the club as a general rule.

The draft pick used to gain Thompson was an additional one gained by the trade of Stenglein.

Keep listening jackie, I'm sure you'll eventually hear it.

 

[outback jack]

Sorry, jackie boy, but it doesn't. We kept every one of our draft picks which is the recently stated policy of the club as a general rule.

The draft pick used to gain Thompson was an additional one gained by the trade of Stenglein.

Keep listening jackie, I'm sure you'll eventually hear it.

can u plz show me this policy as a general rule

I think your playing on words really. i've specifically heard them say we'll be keeping our early picks, so if 12 isnt early i'm not sure what is.

 

[macca23]

can u plz show me this policy as a general rule

I think your playing on words really. i've specifically heard them say we'll be keeping our early picks, so if 12 isnt early i'm not sure what is.

Jack, how can I show you things said by Trigg, Craig and co that were SAID on 5AA. That's nothing but a silly request.

And what don't you understand about pick 12?? It never was ours in the first place and we used it to turn a trade of this pick into a replacement player?

Is this soooooooooo hard to understand?

 

[outback jack]

Jack, how can I show you things said by Trigg, Craig and co that were SAID on 5AA. That's nothing but a silly request.

And what don't you understand about pick 12?? It never was ours in the first place and we used it to turn a trade of this pick into a replacement player?

Is this soooooooooo hard to understand?

it hard to understand, because stiffy is telling me that the club has said will keep its 1st and 2nd round picks, because it feels that this is the best way to rebuild its list. Something along those lines anyway. So if it has decided that early draft picks are the best way to rebuild a list, why when you get one which is very valuable, would you trade it for a guy that has played something like 50 games in 4 yrs? If it was a player swap, which was the only available option, then there is no issue really, but it wasnt, we could have kept it.

The reason this came up is stiffy saying that we wont be going for waters when he comes out of contract dues to this policy, which i find hard to believe. If it is true it should grounds for NC and Fantasia's sacking, due to incompetence. They have done some fairly stupid things so it would be altogether out of question.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Jack what is so hard to undestand about the policy. Let me try to simplfy it for you in dot points.

* We will not be trading away our 1st and 2nd round draft picks unless the deal is exceptionally good for us (A player that will give this club at least 8 years of good service).
* If we are to lose a player who is in our best 22, then we want to replace them with a player of similar value.

Point 1 suggests we will keep our picks unless there is a chance of us getting a young gun in return for them. In other words if we could get Waters and Butler but it required us trading our 1st and 2nd round picks then we would do it.

Point 2 suggests that keeping early draft picks and recruiting Thompson doesn't contradict each other. We lost Stenglein who was in our best 18 players. When we lose a player like that we want to replace him with someone of similar quality hence the trade for Thompson. Now Thompson is 22 year old, inside midfielder. He is young enough to give us at least 8 years of good service and he happens to address one of our weaknesses. So trading that pick 12 for Thompson doesn't contradict the clubs policy at all.

 

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

I'd be interested in him. We all make mistakes - who hasn't? If he learns from his errors then than that is what really counts.

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[SnIcKeRs #3]

as a richmond supporter i think he is a really good player when he wants to be he can be good as someone said earlier about trading fergus watts for him well i think that that would be fair id be rapt to have ferg at punt road i think the crows should give him some more opportunities because when i watcheed him he looked promising

thank guys

 

[tinman]

How condescending!

Thats very nice of you that if he passes all your tests of morality and public behaviour then you MAY consider him.

People in glass houses...........

FFS its a footy game - nothing has been said about the Federal politician who also has been caught over the limit - more senior, surely more worldly and knowledgable but lets burn the 19 year old footy player

Where the hell do you get off calling me condescending?

And as for glass houses - I will make it quite clear that I do not drink drive or go 80kph in a 40kph zone. So how am I living in a glass house?

I have mentioned nothing about a federal politician as this is a football forum.

You obviously think such behaviour is acceptable. I don't, the TAC obviously don't, neither do the courts.

As being condescending, check out your own post. You musn't have any mirrors at your house.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Where the hell do you get off calling me condescending?

And as for glass houses - I will make it quite clear that I do not drink drive or go 80kph in a 40kph zone. So how am I living in a glass house?

I have mentioned nothing about a federal politician as this is a football forum.

You obviously think such behaviour is acceptable. I don't, the TAC obviously don't, neither do the courts.

As being condescending, check out your own post. You musn't have any mirrors at your house.

And you have obviously never broken any laws

 

[tinman]

And you have obviously never broken any laws

No, I haven't, but this forum isn't about me and my behaviour, or that of politicians - it is about Jay Schulz.

Your sarcastic and condescending remarks aren't appreciated, and they refelct poorly on you, not me.

I come on here and post an opinion, which I think is quite a reasonable one, that Jay Shulz's behavior is idiotic & irresponsible.

So what is your point? That you have broken the law? Like that is something to be proud of?

If you disagree with my post then you should do so without getting personal.

 

[Crow-mosone]

No, I haven't, but this forum isn't about me and my behaviour, or that of politicians - it is about Jay Schulz.

Your sarcastic and condescending remarks aren't appreciated, and they refelct poorly on you, not me.

I come on here and post an opinion, which I think is quite a reasonable one, that Jay Shulz's behavior is idiotic & irresponsible.

So what is your point? That you have broken the law? Like that is something to be proud of?

If you disagree with my post then you should do so without getting personal.

I suggest if you have never broken the law, you live in a bubble or tell porkies. either that, or you will soon be moving to utah.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I suggest if you have never broken the law, you live in a bubble or tell porkies. either that, or you will soon be moving to utah.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I suggest if you have never broken the law, you live in a bubble or tell porkies. either that, or you will soon be moving to utah.

 

[outback jack]

Jack what is so hard to undestand about the policy. Let me try to simplfy it for you in dot points.

* We will not be trading away our 1st and 2nd round draft picks unless the deal is exceptionally good for us (A player that will give this club at least 8 years of good service).
* If we are to lose a player who is in our best 22, then we want to replace them with a player of similar value.

Point 1 suggests we will keep our picks unless there is a chance of us getting a young gun in return for them. In other words if we could get Waters and Butler but it required us trading our 1st and 2nd round picks then we would do it.

Point 2 suggests that keeping early draft picks and recruiting Thompson doesn't contradict each other. We lost Stenglein who was in our best 18 players. When we lose a player like that we want to replace him with someone of similar quality hence the trade for Thompson. Now Thompson is 22 year old, inside midfielder. He is young enough to give us at least 8 years of good service and he happens to address one of our weaknesses. So trading that pick 12 for Thompson doesn't contradict the clubs policy at all.

you have changed your account of what has been said. You told a wcoast supporter that we wouldnt go for waters cause of our policy, to his obvious delight. If we would go for them and loose our first rounders which would be necessary, then there is no problem. Its really the logical thing to do.

While not directly contradicting each other, there is some slight contradiction in the policies, although they are addressing different issues. If the club feels early picks are the best chance of rebuilding the list, then why would they trade one off if they got it. Teams like st.kilda and even geelong to an extent traded off experienced players and kept the early draft picks to rebuild their team, as they had clearly decided early draft picks were the best way to go.

neway Thompson appears a nice get, even if his price was a little high, as long as he stays injury sound. Very disappointing to see a lack of support by his team mates, he’ll think twice before taking someone on now.