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johnnyhoward said:
Well if you think those are Jay's best songs then you clearly don't understand or appreciate the man's best work. Also I never understood why an individual rapper would call themselves "The Game"...fine name for a group but not an individual.

BTW good work on posting that How to Rob clip rJ, great song.
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Why would a rappec call themselves 50 cent?

Just because i like those songs doesn't mean i dont understand or appreciate his work, he just isn't that good, maybe i am basing my opinion too much on his new stuff though.
 
Nas > Jay-Z

Although as collective works Jay-Z might just be in front. I still like Nas more.

wce4premiership said:
2pac (Best ever full stop no returns...better times infinite plus 2 more then anyone else no matter what)
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Nope - Tupac was good, but he wasn't the Second Coming of Jesus like everyone makes out.
 

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da_ilks said:
Nope - Tupac was good, but he wasn't the Second Coming of Jesus like everyone makes out.
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2pac was a mastermind, a poet and the best rapper to ever grace this earth. There is a reason he is rated by almost everyone as the greatest rapper ever and why every rapper has the utmost respect for pac.

Ambitionz az a ridah
hit em up
dumpin
how do u want it
changes
brendas got a baby (song not too good but great lyrics)
Hail mary (reported to have been made in under 1 hour)
Thugs get lonely too
thug love
ghetto gospel
thugz mansion
when thugs cry


i could go on forever aout his best songs. Fact is he spoke to the people better then anyone else and he had mass appeal because he 'kept it real'
 
wce4premiership said:
2pac was a mastermind, a poet and the best rapper to ever grace this earth. There is a reason he is rated by almost everyone as the greatest rapper ever and why every rapper has the utmost respect for pac.

Ambitionz az a ridah
hit em up
dumpin
how do u want it
changes
brendas got a baby (song not too good but great lyrics)
Hail mary (reported to have been made in under 1 hour)
Thugs get lonely too
thug love
ghetto gospel
thugz mansion
when thugs cry


i could go on forever aout his best songs. Fact is he spoke to the people better then anyone else and he had mass appeal because he 'kept it real'
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The respect that he gets stems more from his political "speeches" and music.

Besides that, Big Nas and Jay Z I rate, easily over him, there lyrical content and flow tops Pac.
 
wce4premiership said:
2pac was a mastermind, a poet and the best rapper to ever grace this earth. There is a reason he is rated by almost everyone as the greatest rapper ever and why every rapper has the utmost respect for pac.

Ambitionz az a ridah
hit em up
dumpin
how do u want it
changes
brendas got a baby (song not too good but great lyrics)
Hail mary (reported to have been made in under 1 hour)
Thugs get lonely too
thug love
ghetto gospel
thugz mansion
when thugs cry


i could go on forever aout his best songs. Fact is he spoke to the people better then anyone else and he had mass appeal because he 'kept it real'
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He is not universally rated the best rapper. I would say anyone with more then a basic interest in rap would not claim Pac was the greatest ever. Tupac is rated as the best by people who's entire collection comprises of Death Row records.

Keeping it real? Tupac was not a gangster. I believe Pac could have become so much more then he did, but signing with Death Row held him back....
 
Pac was only 25 when he died so he may have had another 5 years to rap in his prime (conversely there was a chance he could have gone even more commercial). He was a good rapper but his flow wasn't as good as someone like BIG. I think he's highly rated due to the cult surrounding his death (you know, all that 7-day theory crap, plus West Coast rap is more popular)
 
da_ilks said:
He is not universally rated the best rapper. I would say anyone with more then a basic interest in rap would not claim Pac was the greatest ever. Tupac is rated as the best by people who's entire collection comprises of Death Row records.

Keeping it real? Tupac was not a gangster. I believe Pac could have become so much more then he did, but signing with Death Row held him back....
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Completely wrong. Universally he is reconised as the greatest rapper ever. Anyone with more then a basic interest in rap eg: every american rapper whom wishes to collaborate with pac and who always list him as the one who inspired them/favourite artists. Talking about flow is stupid, bone thugs n harmony have more flow then anyone but aren't considered the greatest. 2pac sung about things that mattered, he could create records faster then ay other rapper and had superior rapping abilities. The only people lyrically as talented as 2pac are eminem and B.I.G.

2pac was very much a gangster, although not part of a gang he grew up in the slums, got into gang fights, allegedly r*ped people, shot people, got shot etc. What more do you need to be gangster?
 
wce4premiership said:
Completely wrong. Universally he is reconised as the greatest rapper ever. Anyone with more then a basic interest in rap eg: every american rapper whom wishes to collaborate with pac and who always list him as the one who inspired them/favourite artists. Talking about flow is stupid, bone thugs n harmony have more flow then anyone but aren't considered the greatest. 2pac sung about things that mattered, he could create records faster then ay other rapper and had superior rapping abilities. The only people lyrically as talented as 2pac are eminem and B.I.G.

2pac was very much a gangster, although not part of a gang he grew up in the slums, got into gang fights, allegedly r*ped people, shot people, got shot etc. What more do you need to be gangster?
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Believe what you want then. If you think everyone universally acclaims Pac as the Greatest. Rapper. Ever. that's fine, I disagree. No point continuing this arguement, not going to go anywhere :thumbsu:
 

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wce4premiership said:
yes i used to be like him, now i like all music ... except that emo/punk crap lol
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Strange but I'm exactly the same.. I used to be one of the people that said all rap sounds the same, it's all about bling bling bitches hoes.. but now I've realised that wasn't the case... However I just can't get into any modern Punk (Emo) bands.... Taking Bck Sunday, My Chemical Romance, The Used... A terrible genre with a terrible group of listeners
 
wce4premiership said:
alright cool, by universally i mean by the majority of people, not as in every single person.
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I have never heard anyone say Tupac is the best rapper ever. Heard plenty say BIG, Jay-Z, KRS One and Rakim, but never Tupac.

He influenced a lot of rappers, especially anyone that claims to be a "thug" but the best ever... please.

Listen to Ready to Die, Illmatic or the Blueprint and compare them to anything Tupac could put together.

And 50 being the biggest gangsta, hugely questionable as well. He is probably the most heavily publised. But wasn;t The Game a Crip or a Blood and Snoop was in the rival gang. Thats pretty hardcore.
 

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wce4premiership said:
Completely wrong. Universally he is reconised as the greatest rapper ever. Anyone with more then a basic interest in rap eg: every american rapper whom wishes to collaborate with pac and who always list him as the one who inspired them/favourite artists.
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Seriously, your comment is pathetic. Pac was a back up dancer who turned gangster to make money.

FACT.
 
Scott MacFlaherty said:
And 50 being the biggest gangsta, hugely questionable as well. He is probably the most heavily publised. But wasn't The Game a Crip or a Blood and Snoop was in the rival gang. Thats pretty hardcore.
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yeah the game's brother is a blood and snoop is a crip (but not hardcore into it, he has better things to do) but yeah i watched a doco on the game and him and his brother were both put into foster homes as boys coz their dad was a psycho and his older bro ended up in a bloods part of compton and he was placed in a home in a crip part of compton and i dono he was only like 8 or 9 years old and so he still hung out with his brother and yeah he was accused of gangbangin and all that and i'm pretty sure he is a blood now... 50 is from Southside Queens anyway so he ain't part of the hardcore L.A gangsta sh*t
 
Scott MacFlaherty said:
I have never heard anyone say Tupac is the best rapper ever. Heard plenty say BIG, Jay-Z, KRS One and Rakim, but never Tupac.

He influenced a lot of rappers, especially anyone that claims to be a "thug" but the best ever... please.

Listen to Ready to Die, Illmatic or the Blueprint and compare them to anything Tupac could put together.

And 50 being the biggest gangsta, hugely questionable as well. He is probably the most heavily publised. But wasn;t The Game a Crip or a Blood and Snoop was in the rival gang. Thats pretty hardcore.
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Lil eazy is also a crip, doesn't mean anything. Yes game is also gangster, snoop not so much.

"Shakur's work is known for advocating political, economic, social, and racial equality as well as his raw descriptions of violence, drug and alcohol abuse, and conflicts with the law. Many fans, critics, and industry insiders rank him as the greatest rapper ever.[3][4]

Although Tupac Shakur's life was cut short in 1996, he still manages to hold and break new records even to this day.
  • In 1995, with the release of Shakur's Me Against the World became the first music artist to be incarcerated and have a #1 album on the Billboard 200 album at the same time. This was Shakur's Me Against the World as he was serving time at Clinton Correctional Facility.
  • In 1996, with the release of All Eyez on Me Shakur became the first rapper to release a two-disc album.
  • In 1996 Shakur also became the first rap artist to release two #1 albums on the Billboard 200 in the same year. Shakur's All Eyez on Me, released February 13th, 1996, and his first album released under the pseudonym, Makaveli, The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory, also released that year on November 5th.
  • With over 75 million albums sold to date, Shakur is the highest selling rap artist of all-time. With very few updates on his sales, new albums still being released and the continued sales of his prior albums, this number continues to rise.
Awards

During his lifetime, and since his death, Tupac's body of work has always been highly regarded by his fans and entertainment industry insiders alike. Here are some of the industry and fan awards Tupac has received for his work:
  • At the 1994 American music awards, he was nominated for favorite rap/hip hop artist.
  • At the American music awards held on January 29 1996, he was awarded favorite rap/hip hop artist.
  • He was also nominated for best Solo performance at 1996 Grammy's for his hit song, "Dear
Mama".[61]
  • In 1996, his chart topping album, All Eyez on Me was nominated for a 1997 Grammy Award for Best Rap Album.
  • Also in 1997, his hits "California Love," featuring Dr. Dre and Roger Troutman, and "How Do You Want It", featuring KC and JoJo, were both nominated for the 1997 Grammy for Best Rap Performance By A Duo Or Group.[62]
  • His moving track, "Changes" was nominated for the 2000 Grammy Award for Best Rap Solo Performance.[63]
  • Shakur was inducted into the Hip-Hop Hall of Fame in 2002.[64]
  • In 2003, MTV's "22 Greatest MCs" countdown listed Tupac as the "number 1 MC", as voted by the viewers.[65]
  • In 2004, at the VH1 Hip Hop Honors Shakur was honored along with DJ Hollywood, Kool Herc, KRS-One, Public Enemy, Run-DMC, Rock Steady Crew, and Sugarhill Gang.[66]
  • Also in 2004, a VIBE magazine poll rated Shakur "the greatest rapper of all time" as voted by fans.
  • Again in 2004, he was nominated a Black Reel award, for his song Runnin' Dying To Live from the movie about his life, Tupac Resurrection.
  • In 2005, Top Soundtrack Song of the Year: "Runnin' (Dying To Live)" from Tupac: Resurrection by Shakur featuring The Notorious B.I.G. at the 18th Annual [SCAP Rhythm and Soul Music Awards].
  • Also in 2005, MTV listed Tupac's The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory (released under the pseudonym "Makaveli") as one of the "Top 10 Greatest Hip-Hop Albums of All Time."
  • At the First Annual Turks & Caicos International Film Festival held on Tuesday, October 17, 2006, Tupac Shakur was honored for his undeniable voice and talent and as a performer who crossed racial, ethnic, cultural and medium lines, his mother, Afeni Shakur accepted the award on Tupac's behalf.[67]" - wikipedia
don't know why you're so different because everybody i know claims 2pac to be the best they've heard.
 
exactly, pac's "legacy" has grown over the years due to teenagers waering his t-shirts

pac was a rapist, not a thug, he never did anything of his "thug" antics whilst he wasnt with death row

suge made him who he was
 

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