Opinion Jeff Kennett News, Media etc.

[Davo23]

Much great and important journalism (maybe even most of it?) is based on information from anonymous sources, largely because those sources fear reprisals from the authority they are leaking against. The fact that some crap journalism also does is not a reason to dismiss the entire concept.

Thats not even remotely true, it’s just a way of faking a story, or undermining someone or some organisation.
How can you tell if it’s true, is it the fact that your political persuasion tells you to accept or reject it?

And if someone had something valid and factual to say, why not say it openly?

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[Strapping Young Lad]

Thats not even remotely true, it’s just a way of faking a story, or undermining someone or some organisation.
How can you tell if it’s true, is it the fact that your political persuasion tells you to accept or reject it?

And if someone had something valid and factual to say, why not say it openly?

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Heard of the word retribution?

 

[CliffMcTainshaw]

Thats not even remotely true, it’s just a way of faking a story, or undermining someone or some organisation.
How can you tell if it’s true, is it the fact that your political persuasion tells you to accept or reject it?

And if someone had something valid and factual to say, why not say it openly?

.

By that logic the world would never have heard the term, "Watergate".

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Thats not even remotely true, it’s just a way of faking a story, or undermining someone or some organisation.
How can you tell if it’s true, is it the fact that your political persuasion tells you to accept or reject it?

And if someone had something valid and factual to say, why not say it openly?

.

Are you serious Davo? Anonymous sources aren't new, aren't invalid and are crucial to journalism. Why on earth would somebody talk openly when what they're disclosing could jeoporadise their career?

 

[Rhayader]

Are you serious Davo? Anonymous sources aren't new, aren't invalid and are crucial to journalism. Why on earth would somebody talk openly when what they're disclosing could jeoporadise their career?

Or their life, in some places. And even the lives of their family.

 

[Flukey!]

Lets be honest here..

We choose to believe/embrace/accept what is in the media that validates our already biased views.

As such, those of you that want Kennett gone see an article like has been published and immediately accept it as fact.
Even though there is no quotable source.
What follows is a whole series of assumptions such as he has lost the confidence of the board, board members are scared to speak out etc etc etc

Like everything, its all open to interpretation.

 

[Rhayader]

Lets be honest here..

We choose to believe/embrace/accept what is in the media that validates our already biased views.

As such, those of you that want Kennett gone see an article like has been published and immediately accept it as fact.
Even though there is no quotable source.
What follows is a whole series of assumptions such as he has lost the confidence of the board, board members are scared to speak out etc etc etc

Like everything, its all open to interpretation.

I wasn't making assumptions or offering an opinion on the substance or validity of the article, just commenting on the legitimate use of anonymous sources in general.

Isn't what was reportedly said broadly in line with what Jeff has already said publicly anyway?

 

[Yardie]

Lets be honest here..

We choose to believe/embrace/accept what is in the media that validates our already biased views.

As such, those of you that want Kennett gone see an article like has been published and immediately accept it as fact.
Even though there is no quotable source.
What follows is a whole series of assumptions such as he has lost the confidence of the board, board members are scared to speak out etc etc etc

Like everything, its all open to interpretation.

I think those that want Kennett gone aren't just relying on one article. It has been a sustained series of missteps by Jeff over the past six (if not more) months.

As others have expressed I was all for him coming back and think he did a good job to right the ship. However, lately he has been all over the place and it has to be questioned as to whether he is the right person to take us forward.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Lets be honest here..

We choose to believe/embrace/accept what is in the media that validates our already biased views.

As such, those of you that want Kennett gone see an article like has been published and immediately accept it as fact.
Even though there is no quotable source.
What follows is a whole series of assumptions such as he has lost the confidence of the board, board members are scared to speak out etc etc etc

Like everything, its all open to interpretation.

You’ve completely lost the context of the article and the supposed bias.

We know Jeff has been saying s**t that has pissed a bunch of members off, just read these pages or any social media.
We know the club is seeing that in the cancelation of memberships and email traffic.
We know Jeff has suggested publicly that we are the Tassie Hawks and that we would not discount relocation.

With all of those facts being understood it would only be fantasy to think that there’s not at least a handful of people within the HFC who are not aligned with the president’s political grandstanding and can see the damage it’s doing to the HFC and our brand.

 

[On Topic]

Too much arguing - not enough lady on beach

 

[Mercy Seat]

Lol group think. There are a million different opinions on this board, partly what makes this place both infuriating and addictive.

Majority consensus based on overwhelming evidence should be taken as just that.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

More interested on your opinion on the matter. I must say I'm bemused on Jeff picking a clear loser next election.

He picked a loser federally last election as well.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Lol group think. There are a million different opinions on this board, partly what makes this place both infuriating and addictive.

Majority consensus based on overwhelming evidence should be taken as just that.

It’s almost like a variant of Godwin’s law, someone who finds themselves on the minority side of an argument has completely lost the argument once they invoke Orwellian themes.

As an aside, I get a giggle when rather conservative folk use Orwell as an attack presuming that due to ‘Animal Farm’ he is on their side when his politics weren’t remotely akin to theirs.

 

[Pessimistic]

It’s almost like a variant of Godwin’s law, someone who finds themselves on the minority side of an argument has completely lost the argument once they invoke Orwellian themes.

As an aside, I get a giggle when rather conservative folk use Orwell as an attack presuming that due to ‘Animal Farm’ he is on their side when his politics weren’t remotely akin to theirs.

Hitler was a socialist don’t you know?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Hitler was a socialist don’t you know?

According to a certain senator apparently so. She must have missed that part where he had the socialists, trade unionists and communists sent to concentration camps in 1933.

 

[dermott]

According to a certain senator apparently so. She must have missed that part where he had the socialists, trade unionists and communists sent to concentration camps in 1933.

Connie is obviously fairly astute. She noted that they were called National Socialists and that was good enough for her!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Connie is obviously fairly astute. She noted that they were called National Socialists and that was good enough for her!!!!!!!!!

Must mean the DPRK is truly democratic then! If it’s in the name it must be 100% as it states.

 

[Argy]

I think those that want Kennett gone aren't just relying on one article. It has been a sustained series of missteps by Jeff over the past six (if not more) months.

As others have expressed I was all for him coming back and think he did a good job to right the ship. However, lately he has been all over the place and it has to be questioned as to whether he is the right person to take us forward.

Spot on. He has been great in the past but has lost focus. Time to move on.

 

[KermitJagger]

It’s almost like a variant of Godwin’s law, someone who finds themselves on the minority side of an argument has completely lost the argument once they invoke Orwellian themes.

As an aside, I get a giggle when rather conservative folk use Orwell as an attack presuming that due to ‘Animal Farm’ he is on their side when his politics weren’t remotely akin to theirs.

You're right that Orwell considered himself socialist, but at the same time his novels can be quoted by people across political divides because they weren't political statements or manifestos outlining his own beliefs. They were intentionally written in an obvious, simplistic way to appeal to as many people as possible across those political divides. Gatekeeping the books because "Orwell's politics weren't remotely akin to the readers" goes against everything he was trying to do when he wrote them.

Conservative people with more libertarian principles would find that Orwell's themes resonate far more than left leaning people with more authoritarian principles, for example. The ideology of left and right is a pointless distraction.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

You're right that Orwell considered himself socialist, but at the same time his novels can be quoted by people across political divides because they weren't political statements or manifestos outlining his own beliefs. They were intentionally written in an obvious, simplistic way to appeal to as many people as possible across those political divides. Gatekeeping the books because "Orwell's politics weren't remotely akin to the readers" goes against everything he was trying to do when he wrote them.

Conservative people with more libertarian principles would find that Orwell's themes resonate far more than left leaning people with more authoritarian principles, for example. The ideology of left and right is a pointless distraction.

You're not wrong - I guess my amusement comes from viewing the dregs of political discourse on Twitter and seeing people (generally Americans) who so loathe socialism using Orwell as some kind of shield when he was an avowed socialist himself because they likely only read Animal Farm and 1984 and presume Orwell is a classical liberal of some sort. The more authoritarian leaning on the right especially tend to really ignore the fact that he fought in the Spanish civil war on the side of the republicans.

 

[KermitJagger]

You're not wrong - I guess my amusement comes from viewing the dregs of political discourse on Twitter and seeing people (generally Americans) who so loathe socialism using Orwell as some kind of shield when he was an avowed socialist himself because they likely only read Animal Farm and 1984 and presume Orwell is a classical liberal of some sort. The more authoritarian leaning on the right especially tend to really ignore the fact that he fought in the Spanish civil war on the side of the republicans.

There is a bit of irony. I think people focus on the right to left scale too much and not enough on the scale between control and liberty, which is essentially Orwell's point - ideology on both sides is just a shiny thing to distract from the fact you're having your personal rights abused on a daily basis.

 

[KermitJagger]

Jeez one day I'm explaining Plato's vision of the reluctant ruler and the next I'm discussing Orwell's themes in Animal Farm and 1984. BigFooty is changing for the better methinks.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

I’m a Kennett fan politically and don’t mind him as president but completely understand the point his detractors are making for his most recent term as president whether I think they’re as relevant as some is debatable. Yet I don’t think he can perform the 2 roles as HFC president and Lib party president. It would make getting funding from libs difficult as every cent would be under the microscope.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

Jeez one day I'm explaining Plato's vision of the reluctant ruler and the next I'm discussing Orwell's themes in Animal Farm and 1984. BigFooty is changing for the better methinks.

Too intellectual for me. I prefer the souvlaki over kebab arguments. More my level.

 

[Pessimistic]

Too intellectual for me. I prefer the souvlaki over kebab arguments. More my level.

Cant we have both? who was that forward thinker?