List Mgmt. Jeremy Cameron traded to Geelong

[cats_09]

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[Seeds]

Yeah nah.

We dont give away draft picks? What is it now. 5 first round draft picks in the past decade. Countless second rounds.

 

[Down at K Park]

We dont give away draft picks? What is it now. 5 first round draft picks in the past decade. Countless second rounds.

We have had heaps the last few years. And hold a heap for the next draft.

 

[you pick one]

Miers and Higgins are a decent start....and I thought Brad Close showed he's up to AFL standard. He'll benefit from another pre season as well.

Hopefully a fully fit Dahlhaus can offer plenty up forward and there's a bit of talk about Evans as well.

Be interesting to see how this group perform in the lead up matches to the season's start.

I'm not so convinced,I'll concede Miers if left forward can kick 20plus,Higgins I think plays as a mid not small forward only kicked 4 goals for the season last year from 17 games,Brad Close 2 from 8 games Dahlhaus 7 from 16 games and Atkins 4 from 12 games Evens and Jarvis yet to debut.
Not a lot of goal coming from the small forwards we will again be dependent on our over worked mids getting up and down the ground to defend and kick goals.

 

[calder_daddy]

We have had heaps the last few years. And hold a heap for the next draft.

What draft picks do we have for this year? We already traded our first rounder

 

[Down at K Park]

What draft picks do we have for this year? We already traded our first rounder

3 second rounders for starters.

 

[And_ROOS]

How is Cameron tracking, I have pretty much avoided BF and football in general since we bottled the GF.

 

[Seeds]

We have had heaps the last few years. And hold a heap for the next draft.

Im intrigued. Tell me more.

 

[calder_daddy]

That’s right, totally skipped my mind.
GWS and Essendons yeah?

3 second rounders for starters.

 

[Down at K Park]

That’s right, totally skipped my mind.
GWS and Essendons yeah?

Yep. I’d expect both teams to be bottom 8 as well.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What draft picks do we have for this year? We already traded our first rounder

3 R2s and a R3.

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

We have had heaps the last few years. And hold a heap for the next draft.

Number of top 20 picks over the past 3 years:

Gold Coast - 7
GWS - 7
Port Adelaide - 6
Adelaide - 5
Fremantle - 5
Carlton - 4
Geelong - 4 (Clark, Stephens, De Koning & Holmes)
Sydney - 4
Collingwood - 3
Essendon - 3
North Melbourne - 3
Western Bulldogs - 3
Hawthorn - 2
Melbourne - 2
Richmond - 1
St Kilda - 1
Brisbane - 0
West Coast - 0

Note: Cherry picked stats, you ask? Yes! You'd better believe I deliberately went with top 20 rather than, say, top 10 or top 15, because all our guys went in the 15 - 20 range. Still, I don't think you can really say we've been ignoring the draft of late based on those numbers.

Also, what's with Brisbane and West Coast - isn't there a rule that you need to take a first round pick every 2 years or something?

 

[Biggy_Boy]

what's with Brisbane and West Coast - isn't there a rule that you need to take a first round pick every 2 years or something?

It's 2 first round picks in 4 years. Brisbane have taken a first rounder in each of the past 3 drafts; they've just all been 20+ so didn't fit in your list.

West Coast will need to take 2 first rounders this year.

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

It's 2 first round picks in 4 years. Brisbane have taken a first rounder in each of the past 3 drafts; they've just all been 20+ so didn't fit in your list.

West Coast will need to take 2 first rounders this year.

Well I feel sheepish!

Cheers, that makes sense.

 

[cats_09]

Number of top 20 picks over the past 3 years:

Gold Coast - 7
GWS - 7
Port Adelaide - 6
Adelaide - 5
Fremantle - 5
Carlton - 4
Geelong - 4 (Clark, Stephens, De Koning & Holmes)
Sydney - 4
Collingwood - 3
Essendon - 3
North Melbourne - 3
Western Bulldogs - 3
Hawthorn - 2
Melbourne - 2
Richmond - 1
St Kilda - 1
Brisbane - 0
West Coast - 0

Note: Cherry picked stats, you ask? Yes! You'd better believe I deliberately went with top 20 rather than, say, top 10 or top 15, because all our guys went in the 15 - 20 range. Still, I don't think you can really say we've been ignoring the draft of late based on those numbers.

Also, what's with Brisbane and West Coast - isn't there a rule that you need to take a first round pick every 2 years or something?

2 every 4 years isn't it?

Brisbane has used first round picks every year the last 4 years:
2017 - #18
2018 - #21
2019 - #22
2020 - #24

So technically first round picks, just later than we'd normally consider a first round pick ti be

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Well I feel sheepish!

Cheers, that makes sense.

The whole rule is stupid anyway and looking at the Brisbane example demonstrates it. Last two drafts they've had the last pick of the first round, but what's the tangible difference between a pick 24 and 25? Not much, really. Brisbane don't run afoul of the rule, but you could have a club with no first round picks but multiple low 2nd round picks each year, and they would. The latter isn't making any less use of the draft than Brisbane have been.

 

[cats_09]

The whole rule is stupid anyway and looking at the Brisbane example demonstrates it. Last two drafts they've had the last pick of the first round, but what's the tangible difference between a pick 24 and 25? Not much, really. Brisbane don't run afoul of the rule, but you could have a club with no first round picks but multiple low 2nd round picks each year, and they would. The latter isn't making any less use of the draft than Brisbane have been.

We're almost the perfect example of what you're talking about

Go back to the 2017 draft and these are our first 2 picks - #22 Lachlan Fogarty & #24 Tim Kelly.

Picks #22 & #24 are exactly the same draft number as what Brisbane have had the last 2 drafts, and for Brisbane it means they have met the 2 in 4 rule, but when we held those picks they were second round selections, meant we hadn't met the 2 in 4 rule which kinda forced our hand in regards to the 2018 & 2019 drafts

We have since had 4 top first round selections (all in that 15 to 20 mark), so we've met the requirement now but it shows the stupidity of the rule

 

[The rabbi]

I'm not so convinced,I'll concede Miers if left forward can kick 20plus,Higgins I think plays as a mid not small forward only kicked 4 goals for the season last year from 17 games,Brad Close 2 from 8 games Dahlhaus 7 from 16 games and Atkins 4 from 12 games Evens and Jarvis yet to debut.
Not a lot of goal coming from the small forwards we will again be dependent on our over worked mids getting up and down the ground to defend and kick goals.

You must have missed Jarvis's debut.

Ben Jarvis | AFL (geelongcats.com.au)

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Feels like we have bigger issues in the midfield as that is where teams get on top and overpower us. Selwood has declined to the point he is barely ahead of a Menegola or Guthrie and those two boys are well renown for falling away when the pressure is turned right up a notch or two.
We desperately need a young gun to emerge to help take the pressure away from Dangerfield and Selwood. Parfitt is still a long way from being elite.

For a side historically so strong with ball winning midfielders it feels like we're in danger a bit there. We need the Cooper/Constable show to take the step at the very least

 

[CatToTheFuture]

What young gun? We keep giving away all our draft picks.

I certainly don't decal spending a pick 16 on a big bodied contested mid 12 months ago. Do you?

 

[BORIS332]

For a side historically so strong with ball winning midfielders it feels like we're in danger a bit there. We need the Cooper/Constable show to take the step at the very least

Where is Narkle? Didn't play on the weekend, haven't seen him mentioned in any media.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Where is Narkle? Didn't play on the weekend, haven't seen him mentioned in any media.

That is an excellent question. I don't think he's injured.

Could be that they wanted to see a specific mix running through and he wasn't part of that plan. Could be that they have Higgins pencilled in for his midfield rotations

 

[BORIS332]

That is an excellent question. I don't think he's injured.

Could be that they wanted to see a specific mix running through and he wasn't part of that plan. Could be that they have Higgins pencilled in for his midfield rotations

Not mentioned on AFL.com.au's injury list published last night either...

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Not mentioned on AFL.com.au's injury list published last night either...

Hes an emeegency for the afl game and playing vfl tomorrow so definitely fit.

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

It sort of sunk in a bit tonight how huge this is. Happy to be corrected, but I think we have the best 2 forwards in the league right now in our team.

Or am I drunk? Ok I am, but am i wrong?