Traded Jeremy Cameron [traded w/ 2x 2021 R2 (ESS/GWS) to Geelong for #13, #15, #20 and 2021 R4]

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And I think we'll draw a line under this here folks. You've had your fun.

From here on out don't be surprised to find yourself with thread ban or infraction points, in particular for playing the man and trolling.

That includes baiting entire supporter groups, dragging discussions off club boards, name calling, troll names, and so on.
 

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CatToTheFuture

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Geelong fans are in denial that Stephen Wells did what he promised that he wouldn't and folded and gave into the Giants demands.

Can see the Giants easily making the 8 again next year and thus one ot their 2nd round picks they got back from GWS will be pushed back into the 40s.

Everyone knows the Giants won this trade (even if only from a PR point of view) and all the assets the Cats for Tim Kelly has been squandered on a restricted free agent.
All?
 

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To be honest i dont see what the big deal is. 13,15 and 20 will probably turn into 16,18 and 23. Geelong done ok
The fact they said all along they would not bend under any circumstances and give 3 First Round Picks away is the issue I have with it.

I honestly think they should have given away a battler like Ratagolua instead of a third first round pick, now granted the player has to agree to be traded, but on an open market, Ratagolua would be worth a mid 3rd round pick (at best)

If they win a flag with Jezza, it will be all worth it I suppose, still not convinced a forward line of Hawkins and Cameron can function properly either.. (but then again, I thought the same about Riewoldt and Tim Hawkins)

For an aging list, they are putting all their eggs in the one (Dangerflag) basket.
 

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The fact they said all along they would not bend under any circumstances and give 3 First Round Picks away is the issue I have with it.

I honestly think they should have given away a battler like Ratagolua instead of a third first round pick, now granted the player has to agree to be traded, but on an open market, Ratagolua would be worth a mid 3rd round pick (at best)

If they win a flag with Jezza, it will be all worth it I suppose, still not convinced a forward line of Hawkins and Cameron can function properly either.. (but then again, I thought the same about Riewoldt and Tim Hawkins)

For an aging list, they are putting all their eggs in the one (Dangerflag) basket.
At least there's a basket there to put our eggs in.

Sav might have some flaws but we have woeful ruck depth. Trading him out would have been silly
 

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The fact they said all along they would not bend under any circumstances and give 3 First Round Picks away is the issue I have with it.

I honestly think they should have given away a battler like Ratagolua instead of a third first round pick, now granted the player has to agree to be traded, but on an open market, Ratagolua would be worth a mid 3rd round pick (at best)

If they win a flag with Jezza, it will be all worth it I suppose, still not convinced a forward line of Hawkins and Cameron can function properly either.. (but then again, I thought the same about Riewoldt and Tim Hawkins)

For an aging list, they are putting all their eggs in the one (Dangerflag) basket.
Ding dong stupid post alert.

We were giving up 13, 15 for Cameron and a 2nd but Wells decided to give up 20 for another 2nd. That's why there were conflicting reports of what we gave up once it was announced.

Esava is great and all but pick 20 could be anything! It could be someone with the upside of Esava!!

Players at pick 20 average 70 career games and these are the last pick 20s:

Tim Broomhead. 37 games in 8 seasons due to injury and got delisted.
Jack Leslie. 20 games in 6 seasons and got delisted.
Jayden Laverde. 46 games in 6 seasons so far.
Brayden Fiorini. 42 games in 5 seasons so far.
Isaac Cumming. 9 games in 4 seasons so far.
Callum Coleman-Jones. 1 game in 3 seasons so far.
Riley Collier-Dawkins. Yet to debut.
Sam Philp. 2 games in his debut season.

Esava has played 40 games already in 3 seasons so far and is touted to be our next big forward.
 

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The fact they said all along they would not bend under any circumstances and give 3 First Round Picks away is the issue I have with it.

I honestly think they should have given away a battler like Ratagolua instead of a third first round pick, now granted the player has to agree to be traded, but on an open market, Ratagolua would be worth a mid 3rd round pick (at best)

If they win a flag with Jezza, it will be all worth it I suppose, still not convinced a forward line of Hawkins and Cameron can function properly either.. (but then again, I thought the same about Riewoldt and Tim Hawkins)

For an aging list, they are putting all their eggs in the one (Dangerflag) basket.
You seem grumpy. Our side would no doubt be better if we could put a number 1 draft pick on every line but some clubs don't get that luxury.
 

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Ding dong stupid post alert.

We were giving up 13, 15 for Cameron and a 2nd but Wells decided to give up 20 for another 2nd. That's why there were conflicting reports of what we gave up once it was announced.

Esava is great and all but pick 20 could be anything! It could be someone with the upside of Esava!!

Players at pick 20 average 70 career games and these are the last pick 20s:

Tim Broomhead. 37 games in 8 seasons due to injury and got delisted.
Jack Leslie. 20 games in 6 seasons and got delisted.
Jayden Laverde. 46 games in 6 seasons so far.
Brayden Fiorini. 42 games in 5 seasons so far.
Isaac Cumming. 9 games in 4 seasons so far.
Callum Coleman-Jones. 1 game in 3 seasons so far.
Riley Collier-Dawkins. Yet to debut.
Sam Philp. 2 games in his debut season.

Esava has played 40 games already in 3 seasons so far and is touted to be our next big forward.
If that’s what pick 20 gets you then those second rounders you guys picked up aren’t worth much are they.
 

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We’re stoked that we got your 3 first round picks. You can have 2nd rounders.
Especially after the Cats contacted us asking us not to match.
Cheers.
glad to hear your happy as well as the geelong board. Rare trade situation everyone feels good about then.

wells actually throwed pick 20 ( 26 ish) in there for essendon s second rounder next year as he preferred to get the better hand in a strong draft. Originally it was pick 15-18 + pick 18-22 for Cameron and your second rounder next year probably similar to where you finished this year so an early second around 25-30. The other pick only came into it because wells wanted the pick exchange.
 

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Geelong fans are in denial that Stephen Wells did what he promised that he wouldn't and folded and gave into the Giants demands.

Can see the Giants easily making the 8 again next year and thus one ot their 2nd round picks they got back from GWS will be pushed back into the 40s.

Everyone knows the Giants won this trade (even if only from a PR point of view) and all the assets the Cats for Tim Kelly has been squandered on a restricted free agent.
oh boy, you know your club did extremely well in the trade deal when you see angry sulking posts like this one. Keep up the good work
 

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The fact they said all along they would not bend under any circumstances and give 3 First Round Picks away is the issue I have with it.

I honestly think they should have given away a battler like Ratagolua instead of a third first round pick, now granted the player has to agree to be traded, but on an open market, Ratagolua would be worth a mid 3rd round pick (at best)

If they win a flag with Jezza, it will be all worth it I suppose, still not convinced a forward line of Hawkins and Cameron can function properly either.. (but then again, I thought the same about Riewoldt and Tim Hawkins)

For an aging list, they are putting all their eggs in the one (Dangerflag) basket.
It'd be a fun battle to watch. James Cameron and Taylor Lynch versus Jacob Reiwoldt and Tim Hawkins.
 

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Ding dong stupid post alert.

We were giving up 13, 15 for Cameron and a 2nd but Wells decided to give up 20 for another 2nd. That's why there were conflicting reports of what we gave up once it was announced.

Esava is great and all but pick 20 could be anything! It could be someone with the upside of Esava!!

Players at pick 20 average 70 career games and these are the last pick 20s:

Tim Broomhead. 37 games in 8 seasons due to injury and got delisted.
Jack Leslie. 20 games in 6 seasons and got delisted.
Jayden Laverde. 46 games in 6 seasons so far.
Brayden Fiorini. 42 games in 5 seasons so far.
Isaac Cumming. 9 games in 4 seasons so far.
Callum Coleman-Jones. 1 game in 3 seasons so far.
Riley Collier-Dawkins. Yet to debut.
Sam Philp. 2 games in his debut season.

Esava has played 40 games already in 3 seasons so far and is touted to be our next big forward.
You don't seriously believe your last comment do You? He is a certified spud.

oh boy, you know your club did extremely well in the trade deal when you see angry sulking posts like this one. Keep up the good work
Not really.

Getting Cameron will not solve the holes in your list that exposed by the Fighting Fury on Grand Final Day and Port in the Qualifying Final.

You need to start regenerating that midfield and get more leg speed into it ASAP.
 

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You don't seriously believe your last comment do You? He is a certified spud.

Not really.

Getting Cameron will not solve the holes in your list that exposed by the Fighting Fury on Grand Final Day and Port in the Qualifying Final.

You need to start regenerating that midfield and get more leg speed into it ASAP.
Ok that is the end of taking your posts seriously. He is a quite promising ruck forward, which is a very difficult position to play effectively.
 

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Ok that is the end of taking your posts seriously. He is a quite promising ruck forward, which is a very difficult position to play effectively.
Lol. Never seen someone drop so many basic, uncontested marks since Ricky Mott.

I am extremely confident, no certain that the player The Giants will draft at pick 20 (or whatever it becomes after academy push backs) will be a much better player than Ratagolua.
 

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I actually don’t think we can say if GWS or GFC won this for Atleast the next 3 years.
To see what GWS do with there picks and if Cameron/Geelong and the picks are worth it.

Considering this pissing contest is still going is sad, Elmer_Judd Giant Pete we get your point.
Your Jealous
Lol. I'll back my club on Harry McKay and a healthy (touchwood) Chuck Curnow going forwards Jezza Cameron whose best years of footy are arguably behind him.

Look it may seem I might have gone a bit overboard on this transaction, still firmly believe you lot overpaid.

But as I say, if the Cats win a flag or two with Jez, it would be well worth it for your lot and I would happily own up to being mistaken, but for your list's age and demographic, it is a pretty big risk (in my opinion)

Only a handful of players in the league I would give 3 First Round Picks for tbh (Rowell, Rankine, Max King, Walsh, Rozee and Petracca)

If Cameron was 25 or younger, I would say it was a great deal for Geelong, but given Cameron's age and KPF's limited lifespan in the game these days, I think it was overs.

Time will tell I guess I suppose.
 

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Lol. I'll back my club on Harry McKay and a healthy (touchwood) Chuck Curnow going forwards Jezza Cameron whose best years of footy are arguably behind him.

Look it may seem I might have gone a bit overboard on this transaction, still firmly believe you lot overpaid.

But as I say, if the Cats win a flag or two with Jez, it would be well worth it for your lot and I would happily own up to being mistaken, but for your list's age and demographic, it is a pretty big risk (in my opinion)

Only a handful of players in the league I would give 3 First Round Picks for tbh (Rowell, Rankine, Max King, Walsh, Rozee and Petracca)

If Cameron was 25 or younger, I would say it was a great deal for Geelong, but given Cameron's age and KPF's limited lifespan in the game these days, I think it was overs.

Time will tell I guess I suppose.
You could be both right on both accounts, you could also be wrong on both accounts.

You can't equivocally say one can only win or lose this trade.
 
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Lol. I'll back my club on Harry McKay and a healthy (touchwood) Chuck Curnow going forwards Jezza Cameron whose best years of footy are arguably behind him.

Look it may seem I might have gone a bit overboard on this transaction, still firmly believe you lot overpaid.

But as I say, if the Cats win a flag or two with Jez, it would be well worth it for your lot and I would happily own up to being mistaken, but for your list's age and demographic, it is a pretty big risk (in my opinion)

Only a handful of players in the league I would give 3 First Round Picks for tbh (Rowell, Rankine, Max King, Walsh, Rozee and Petracca)

If Cameron was 25 or younger, I would say it was a great deal for Geelong, but given Cameron's age and KPF's limited lifespan in the game these days, I think it was overs.

Time will tell I guess I suppose.
We've essentially traded Tim Kelly for Jeremy Cameron, A First Round Pick (Cooper Stephens pick 16, 2019), a second round pick (pick 27, 2019 received from WCE -> pick 30-35, 2021 received from GWS) and a set of rusty steak knives (Josh Jenkins).

Unless you think Essendon are playing finals next year the pick swap from this year's first rounder pick 22-26 to next year's second pick 25-30 is worth at the very least the same, potentially more.
 

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You’re damned right it did.
Wells took McCarthy out behind the woodshed and flogged him like a red headed stepchild
Did Geelong get a great deal? Absolutely. However, why do you feel the need to act like a total prick with that type of post? Pull your head in.
 

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