hawkman
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It would be interesting if Geelong got to pick 6 and there is a draftee they wanted but didn't think they could get, would they really want to use that pick on CameronOr we take him at 6 in the draft. Game glitch. lulz
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It would be interesting if Geelong got to pick 6 and there is a draftee they wanted but didn't think they could get, would they really want to use that pick on CameronOr we take him at 6 in the draft. Game glitch. lulz
You know, the trade in itself wasn't necessarily bad.
We're just enjoying the end results of a great number of Geelong supporters being exceedingly arrogant about only giving 1 pick, or walking Cameron to the draft to take him for nothing. Now there just a ridiculous amount of backpedalling from those statements to try to claim that they 'won' the trade.
You guys are backflipping so fast backwards from your original statements of what the trade would be that you could compete in gymnastics in the Olympics...
Loving the newfound enthusiasm for second round picks and the 2021 draft.
GWS have 10, 13, 15, 20, 29 in this year's draft. Geelong have nothing.
The alternate timeline ("no one ever matches") is GWS have 10 and 11, Geelong have 13, 15, 20 - and Cameron. Spinning the outcome as GWS saving face is.... interesting.
GWS are well placed to trade up in the draft, bid on any academy players or trade into next year's draft. Like Geelong were this time last year. They opted to use two first rounders last year and then trade for Gold Coast's pick this year, then traded in Cameron and some future second round picks this year. GWS aren't obliged to use all their picks this year. My team for example has basically no picks and if it gets to pick 15 or something and there's someone on the board we'd really like then I wouldn't be surprised if we did some kind of 2020/2021 swap. Etc.
We also get a little tied up in the idea of 1st round/2nd round. The reality is that pick 20 is a lot closer to wherever Essendon's future second sits, than it is to the middle of the first round.Instead, the Cats chose to package it with the other two first round picks and take back two future second round selections to be used in next year’s draft when there is far greater clarity around the talent pool
That’s because those types of supporters get shut down or not even responded too on our board so they go walk aboutWell that's what the majority are exposed to on the non-club boards lol.
If I was to choose someone to be on 1.5 mill a year between JC and Cogs I know who the entire competition would pick.No youth coming in and some already wanting out. In 2 years time Mitch Duncan running a lone hand midfield role delivering to the most invisible number 1 fwd in the comp on most likely a back ended $1.5mil a year contract. Nailed it Wellsy.
23-36.Geelong will end up with two picks somewhere in the range of 25-45.
I wouldn't be banking on getting 19 and 20 and nothing pushing them down the order.
Don't think anyone is arguing differentlyGeelong will end up with two picks somewhere in the range of 25-45.
I wouldn't be banking on getting 19 and 20 and nothing pushing them down the order.
Couldn’t Geelong do the same with their 2021 draft assets?Loving the newfound enthusiasm for second round picks and the 2021 draft.
GWS have 10, 13, 15, 20, 29 in this year's draft. Geelong have nothing.
The alternate timeline ("no one ever matches") is GWS have 10 and 11, Geelong have 13, 15, 20 - and Cameron. Spinning the outcome as GWS saving face is.... interesting.
GWS are well placed to trade up in the draft, bid on any academy players or trade into next year's draft. Like Geelong were this time last year. They opted to use two first rounders last year and then trade for Gold Coast's pick this year, then traded in Cameron and some future second round picks this year. GWS aren't obliged to use all their picks this year. My team for example has basically no picks and if it gets to pick 15 or something and there's someone on the board we'd really like then I wouldn't be surprised if we did some kind of 2020/2021 swap. Etc.
I think its a bloody good trade for Geelong. I was surprised that they received 2x 2nd rounders with Cameron. A damn good deal for themJust to clear up some misinformation, and I really don't plan on getting into it with others as trade period is done and dusted, this is from the horse's mouth - Stephen Wells:
“We were never going to give up 3 first round picks for Jeremy alone. We always understood that wed have to give up probably 2, so we accepted that.
“Once it became clear that the Giants were keen on the third first round pick, we looked at a deal that would help them and help us.
“To have those two second round picks and give us a chance in next year’s draft is something we’re very happy with.”
It is understood Geelong had the option of retaining pick 20, but believed that selection could be marked down to about 25 by draft night.
Instead, the Cats chose to package it with the other two first round picks and take back two future second round selections to be used in next year’s draft when there is far greater clarity around the talent pool
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Basically as Wells stated this morning, the original deal was 13 & 15 with a Future 2nd (GWS) coming back. GWS wanted our Pick 20 this year, so we gave them that in exchange for Essendon's Future 2nd (this is why the deal couldn't be done until the Caldwell deal went through - right at the end).
In isolation they were two separate deals, but GWS got the 'line in the sand' optics they wanted, we got the player and future picks we wanted, and the media got the headlines and narrative they wanted. Everyone got something in the end.
Basically, Deal 1 (separate from Caldwell) was this:
GWS OUT: Cameron, Future 2nd (GWS)
GWS IN: Pick 13,15, Future 4th (Geelong)
And Deal 2 was this:
GWS OUT: Future 2nd (Essendon)
GWS IN: Pick 20
I'm sure some will agree, and some will call me delusional, but as it stands now we're either winners, or we're pushovers - which means we're not the 'awful extortionist hypocritical club', that we were labelled before and during trade period.
Either way, I'm happy, as I thought we'd be giving up 13, 15 & a Future 2nd, with a Future 3rd coming back. We ended up doing better than that in the end.
Have at me
No youth coming in and some already wanting out. In 2 years time Mitch Duncan running a lone hand midfield role delivering to the most invisible number 1 fwd in the comp on most likely a back ended $1.5mil a year contract. Nailed it Wellsy.
Loving the newfound enthusiasm for second round picks and the 2021 draft.
GWS have 10, 13, 15, 20, 29 in this year's draft. Geelong have nothing.
The alternate timeline ("no one ever matches") is GWS have 10 and 11, Geelong have 13, 15, 20 - and Cameron. Spinning the outcome as GWS saving face is.... interesting.
GWS are well placed to trade up in the draft, bid on any academy players or trade into next year's draft. Like Geelong were this time last year. They opted to use two first rounders last year and then trade for Gold Coast's pick this year, then traded in Cameron and some future second round picks this year. GWS aren't obliged to use all their picks this year. My team for example has basically no picks and if it gets to pick 15 or something and there's someone on the board we'd really like then I wouldn't be surprised if we did some kind of 2020/2021 swap. Etc.
Geelong receives Jeremy Cameronand two future second-round selections (tied to Essendon)PLAYERCARDSTART5Jeremy Cameron
- Age
- 31
- Ht
- 196cm
- Wt
- 94kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 12.5
- 3star
- K
- 9.0
- 3star
- HB
- 3.4
- 3star
- M
- 5.4
- 5star
- T
- 1.6
- 4star
- G
- 2.6
- 5star
- D
- 10.0
- 3star
- K
- 7.1
- 3star
- HB
- 2.9
- 2star
- M
- 4.6
- 4star
- T
- 2.0
- 3star
- G
- 1.9
- 5star
- D
- 8.2
- 2star
- K
- 5.0
- 2star
- HB
- 3.2
- 3star
- M
- 4.6
- 5star
- T
- 2.4
- 4star
- G
- 2.0
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
Greater Western Sydney receives three first-round picks (currently No.13, No.15 and No.20) and a future fourth-round selection.
That is literally the trade as listed on afl.com.au.
Couldn’t Geelong do the same with their 2021 draft assets?
Yes, they could. Not sure a bunch of picks in the 20s and 30s will have as much value if top 20 bids are taken out of the equation.
Lol, so should we have done two separate trades in order to satisfy you, in the final minute of trade period?
Trades like this happen all the time. I'm telling you exactly what Wells and McCartney said, and what the reasoning behind those decisions were. Why do you think that you know more than the actual people who were involved in the process?
We have a Future 1st, just like you...
You can spin it any way you want. I have no real interest in what anyone involved or otherwise thinks the trade could've been. It is what it is.
A week ago Geelong had 3 first round picks this year, now they have none. And you have two extra second round picks next year. Wonderful. Get lucky and they might be 19 and 20 before FA compo, F/S, NGA etc. GWS have missed the finals once in 5 years, WADA bans aside Essendon are historically mediocre. You could end up with 23 and 24, and you could end up with 33 and 34.
Congratulations? You lot have been banging on about how great the 2021 draft is, so it would be an interesting move to trade back into 2020. If you want to trade out of 2021 and into 2022, great.
It's the only way, but of course if they continue to make finals we'll hear from the usual Geelong crowd telling us how good it is being in contention.
Losing Kelly cost the Cats a flag. Now dads army needs to roll the dice one more time.