Jesse Hogan - What's going on?

[Pepperlad]

Only 5 goals 6-7 games this year, and seems to have forgotten how to mark the ball. This is on top of being a historically mediocre kick for goal, which is concerning.

Is he just out of form? Could his issues run deeper than everyone expected? Have we reached a point where we can say Fremantle overpaid massively for his services?

 

[Anja_Nees]

Melbourne high draft pick syndrome - seriously how many high draft picks from Melbourne have moved to other clubs and been average to terrible? Morton, Watts, Gysberts, McLean, Toumpas, Trengove, Blease, Maric. Hospital handballs one and all.

 

[Macpotata]

small hands. That was his problem.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Only 5 goals 6-7 games this year, and seems to have forgotten how to mark the ball. This is on top of being a historically mediocre kick for goal, which is concerning.

Is he just out of form? Could his issues run deeper than everyone expected? Have we reached a point where we can say Fremantle overpaid massively for his services?

Freo have gone from having no tall targets, to a forwardline full of them.

Brennan Cox, Lobb, Hogan, Taberner, and McCarthy depending on who is playing.

Add in s**t delivery, no real forward structure and a spread of average options and you hurt his chances of scoring. Plus he is getting forced up the ground more and yes, seems to be underperforming.

 

[CH Jazz]

Average player in a below average team with the worst coach in the league. Destined to fail.

 

[SS_Fury]

Only 5 goals 6-7 games this year, and seems to have forgotten how to mark the ball. This is on top of being a historically mediocre kick for goal, which is concerning.

Is he just out of form? Could his issues run deeper than everyone expected? Have we reached a point where we can say Fremantle overpaid massively for his services?

looks disinterested and doesnt chase. Poor body language. I was hoping he would come over and play some good football, but he really doesnt have a second effort and is frustrating to watch

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Lol a bad third to start his first season at a new club.

Better delist immediately

 

[markm106]

He hasn’t been horrible this year. But he averaged over 2 goals a game every year before this season. Interesting to see if he gets that back. He’s finding a bit of the footy still. Has a massive tank and is a good field kick so gets up the ground a lot.

 

[its free real estate]

I reserve all judgement on Freo players until we have a new coach.

 

[Dee Train]

looks disinterested and doesnt chase. Poor body language. I was hoping he would come over and play some good football, but he really doesnt have a second effort and is frustrating to watch

Same as at the Dees really. Lots of disinterest and missing easy shots.

 

[mike91]

No pre season, plays in an average team with 0 forward structure. 7 games into his new team. Stop the papers everyone!

Also your last sentence is cringe. You ok bro?

Just got out-played by a kid in his 4th game.
Over rated wanna-be rockstar w@ynekerr

 

[Freoforever86]

If we could kick a footy properly, he’d have a lot more opportunities to score. The midfield link with him and the guys isn’t there yet either.
Has a goal a game so far, hopefully he rips one apart soon

 

[WillieNillie]

Ross the boss seems to want him to play as a half forward flanker. The guy cant kick goals from the wing.

Its funny watching the Freo fans bag him out and the ones that dont. The ones bagging him are Ross lovers and the ones who dont can actually see what Ross is doing and how he is ruining him as a player

 

[Truckosaurus]

Ross has ruined a fair few things in his time. Players, clubs, Fremantle's reputation as a club free of sexual harassment, and many many many games of football.

 

[HumanMeatball]

He has severe off field issues.

 

[Numero Uno]

enough talent

question his hunger

 

[JP2]

Having watched a lot of Hogan over the years, here's how I see it:

• He's a little undersized for a key forward these days. He's 195cm which, for reference, is the same height as Patrick Cripps.
• He also has a fairly poor vertical leap, especially when compared to other key forwards of the modern era like Daniher, Cameron etc. This makes him virtually useless in a pack situation, or in a situation where he isn't able to get to front position in a marking contest.
• When asked to play deep forward, he compensates for this by using his strength to stand stationary and wrestle with his opponent to get prime position in the marking contest. He is relatively okay at this in genuine one-on-one contests, but it's pretty easy to defuse if the ball is coming in slowly enough for the opposition to get a third man to the contest.
• He's at his most effective when he's able to play as a forward leading up to the ball, in the traditional mold of Lockett and Dunstall. He's very difficult to stop when given the space to lead and the ball is coming in quickly. Unfortunately such forwards find it difficult in the modern game due to the opposition becoming more and more effective at clogging up space. This leaves Hogan with few tricks as a genuine key forward.
• He does, however, have elite endurance and has a good football brain for finding space and for getting himself into the right areas. His disposal and creativity in distributing the ball are also very good for a key position player. He's therefore probably best suited to a kind of roaming half-forward role, pushing up into the midfield / wing, much like Nick Riewoldt in his later years. This is the role he played pretty frequently for Melbourne last year, and seems to be the role he's playing for Freo this year.
• He has a poor attitude on field. When things aren't going his way he has a tendency to sook and to rapidly lose confidence, even if the rest of the team are playing well. Conversely, when he finds his mojo, he still has the capacity to tear other teams apart and to just demand the ball (a la Carey in his heyday), even when his own team is playing poorly. Melbourne had many good wins over the last couple of years without Hogan, and there were some losses we had where he managed to kick bags of 6 and 7. He puts a lot of pressure on himself to be the individual hero, and often forgets to just play his role as a member of the team (e.g. his defensive efforts are inconsistent to say the least).

 

[Dr Awkward]

You gotta give him a go as a full forward. He's not playing that well but if he builds into the season and gets a few games at FF he will be more valuable to the team than on the wing or high half forward.

 

[Rob]

Watching him today he just didn't run hard enough. I suspect it's mainly due to laziness on the track than any particular injury.

 

[Ando727]

Having watched a lot of Hogan over the years, here's how I see it:

• He's a little undersized for a key forward these days. He's 195cm which, for reference, is the same height as Patrick Cripps.
• He also has a fairly poor vertical leap, especially when compared to other key forwards of the modern era like Daniher, Cameron etc. This makes him virtually useless in a pack situation, or in a situation where he isn't able to get to front position in a marking contest.
• When asked to play deep forward, he compensates for this by using his strength to stand stationary and wrestle with his opponent to get prime position in the marking contest. He is relatively okay at this in genuine one-on-one contests, but it's pretty easy to defuse if the ball is coming in slowly enough for the opposition to get a third man to the contest.
• He's at his most effective when he's able to play as a forward leading up to the ball, in the traditional mold of Lockett and Dunstall. He's very difficult to stop when given the space to lead and the ball is coming in quickly. Unfortunately such forwards find it difficult in the modern game due to the opposition becoming more and more effective at clogging up space. This leaves Hogan with few tricks as a genuine key forward.
• He does, however, have elite endurance and has a good football brain for finding space and for getting himself into the right areas. His disposal and creativity in distributing the ball are also very good for a key position player. He's therefore probably best suited to a kind of roaming half-forward role, pushing up into the midfield / wing, much like Nick Riewoldt in his later years. This is the role he played pretty frequently for Melbourne last year, and seems to be the role he's playing for Freo this year.
• He has a poor attitude on field. When things aren't going his way he has a tendency to sook and to rapidly lose confidence, even if the rest of the team are playing well. Conversely, when he finds his mojo, he still has the capacity to tear other teams apart and to just demand the ball (a la Carey in his heyday), even when his own team is playing poorly. Melbourne had many good wins over the last couple of years without Hogan, and there were some losses we had where he managed to kick bags of 6 and 7. He puts a lot of pressure on himself to be the individual hero, and often forgets to just play his role as a member of the team (e.g. his defensive efforts are inconsistent to say the least).

Nailed it.

 

[Topkent]

Until people realise he is more Josh Jenkins than Josh Kennedy they will continue to think he is overrated. Hes at his best working up the ground then outworking his opponent back to goal and getting uncontested marks. Hes not the main man and he wont turn a game by crashing packs, he will get on the end of good work up the ground.

Other issue is he refuses to be apart of the defensive aspect of the game so if he is 2 on 1 you may aswell set up defensively because he wont chase someone

 

[Dynamics]

small hands. That was his problem.

"I have to say this, he hit my hands. Nobody has ever hit my hands. I’ve never heard of this one. Look at those hands. Are they small hands? And he referred to my hands if they’re small, something else must be small," he said. "I guarantee you there’s no problem. I guarantee you.”

- (Not) Jesse Hogan

 

[Damon_3388]

Until people realise he is more Josh Jenkins than Josh Kennedy they will continue to think he is overrated. Hes at his best working up the ground then outworking his opponent back to goal and getting uncontested marks. Hes not the main man and he wont turn a game by crashing packs, he will get on the end of good work up the ground.

Other issue is he refuses to be apart of the defensive aspect of the game so if he is 2 on 1 you may aswell set up defensively because he wont chase someone

People got a taste of him being that power forward, when he averaged 2.35 contested marks per game in his first season as a 20-year-old. People get enamoured by this type of forward, and can't get past the fact that the game has moved past this type of player. Hell, one of the best contested markers of the past 20 years, Tom Hawkins, has recognised and evolved past being the 'brute', and he's as effective as ever. We've also seen what has happened to players who haven't evolved past this, eg. Travis Cloke.

Hogan could be playing better, but going back to being a stationary wrestling full forward type isn't what he should be aiming for and isn't the answer to his on-field woes, either.

 

[demondavey]

Melbourne high draft pick syndrome - seriously how many high draft picks from Melbourne have moved to other clubs and been average to terrible? Morton, Watts, Gysberts, McLean, Toumpas, Trengove, Blease, Maric. Hospital handballs one and all.

McLean was more than serviceable for Carlton. Trengove is simply notoriously injured and one paced. Watts started this year ok but broke his leg.

 

[ManOfClay]

Contested marks as a forward are great but in this era of better zone defences meaning forwards are often going up against two or three players getting separation is probably more valuable and a higher percentage play.

I don’t know if Hogan currently works hard enough to get separation, we all know he has the capacity to