Autopsy Jesse Hogan - Worth 220 Points

[freowho]

Inter-generational bickering is pretty pointless , we are all just products of our environment swap the boomers for the millennials at birth and do a time jump everything ends up exactly the same

The environments are very different.
Boomers woke up with eggs on toast, ice cream once a week and lemonade had an actual lemon in it.
Millenials wake up to muesli which is just sugar and starch, have ice cream every day and drink chemicals all day.
Boomers left school and did any job they wanted and bought a house.
Millenials leave school and automatically sign up for social security and can't afford to leave home.
Boomers had the government pay for Uni.
Millennials pay $100k+ for their degree.
It used to be a rich man vs a poor man. It's now a rich couple vs an unemployed couple.
Boomers introduced superannuation, negative gearing, HECS fees and sold public utilities. All programs that increase the gap between the haves and have nots and has Australia leaking like a seive.
Australia is currently sitting on a massive boomers financial balloon. It won't pop but is leaking quicker than we realise.

I agree the bickering is pointless but I'm glad I'm not a millennial.

 

[freowho]

, little fashion choices,

Nobody made me wear that cosby jumper!

 

[Freomaniac]

He's not the first sports person to get away or get off an offense in the US because of having a stack of cash. Ever hear of OJ?

Its amazing he was convicted at all.

Are you that naive?

Regardless are you really judging someone's good character depending on how many years they got for rape?

Sorry if I don't condone sexual violence against women because it gets in the way of you lauding a sports star.

The OJ simpson was a weird case. OJ simpson got off in my theory for 2 reasons.....

1. Yeah he bought his innocence out of it, Meaning he would of bribed the jurors.

2. Speaking of the jurors, there were 12 of them. 4 white Americans, 4 African Americans and 4 Latinos. They Voted 8-4 in OJ being not guilty.

My money was the 4 African Americans and 4 Latinos voted OJ was innocent. I say he was guilty in my view. But as the saying went with that glove. If the glove doesnt fit, you must Acquit.

To this day, I am shocked how Mike Tyson was only went to Jail for only 3 years. Don King has Always pulled the strings. Hell, when it came to the Infamous Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield rematch on June 28, 1997, Mike Tyson was banned for a year for Biting Holyfields ear off.

when it came to Tysons appeal to box again, the Boxing commission voted 4-1. Don King would of Bribed some of those blokes to make sure the votes favoured tyson.

I think that could work although i'd frame it in a slightly different way.

Sure kids still get drafted at 18 but they aren't eligible to represent to seniors until 20/21. In the ensuing years they represent a reserves side in the national reserves comp getting rookie wages.

Obviously some flaws to that like how to fill out the remainder of the reserves side but it would at least ease them into the system and not hand them a massive amount of cash straight out of school.

I dont Mind the NBA and NFL systems. They get drafted at 21 and on top of that, they get scholarships. American Sports is a totally different beast to Australian sports.

 

[raffrox]

Some of us looked at the anti-war and women's lib protests of the 70s, the anti-nuclear protests of the 80s, the environment, union, and aboriginal protests of the 90s (I was at Mudoch Uni at that time, there was a protest on campus or elsewhere every week), anti-war protests of the early 2000s - but I admit none of these made it to social media so they possibly didn't actually happen.

As for alcohol, mates 20yolds just finished a summer of festivals here and even over at Byron (July). Struggled to see many not on one drug or another. Govt keeps pushing up alcohol costs in an aim (as well as prop up the budget) to curb drinking. Unsurprisingly, many now just get their escape from the stresses of this world from other drugs or addictions. All of them have the potential to be just as damaging to an individual and those around them.

All generations are just as good and just as bad as the next, just sometimes in different ways, we are largely a product of our environment. My (Australian) gen X grew up in some of the most stable times in the whole of history - little war (at least at home), two parents at home for most I went to school with, jobs after study or trade, limited sources of information exposure and judgement, little fashion choices, little debt for study and first houses, defined career paths with junior foot in the door positions.

Current gens have very little of that stability and total exposure (I was lucky to see one or two photos of myself a year and only my friends knew and maybe judged my thoughts) - no wonder some of them struggle or look for alternatives when the road forward is so unclear, difficult and expensive with constant exposure and judgement from all angles. Maybe that's why the Pavlich replacement we were hoping for looks more like a Jesse? Anyway just adding my thoughts to the broader conversation. No intention to offend.

All good. I agree with most of what you're saying. It is all about perspective and realising that our youth (I was at Murdoch in the 1990's as well) isn't the youth of today. Easy comparisons can't be made.

 

[westy1]

Some of us looked at the anti-war and women's lib protests of the 70s, the anti-nuclear protests of the 80s, the environment, union, and aboriginal protests of the 90s (I was at Mudoch Uni at that time, there was a protest on campus or elsewhere every week), anti-war protests of the early 2000s - but I admit none of these made it to social media so they possibly didn't actually happen.

As for alcohol, mates 20yolds just finished a summer of festivals here and even over at Byron (July). Struggled to see many not on one drug or another. Govt keeps pushing up alcohol costs in an aim (as well as prop up the budget) to curb drinking. Unsurprisingly, many now just get their escape from the stresses of this world from other drugs or addictions. All of them have the potential to be just as damaging to an individual and those around them.

All generations are just as good and just as bad as the next, just sometimes in different ways, we are largely a product of our environment. My (Australian) gen X grew up in some of the most stable times in the whole of history - little war (at least at home), two parents at home for most I went to school with, jobs after study or trade, limited sources of information exposure and judgement, little fashion choices, little debt for study and first houses, defined career paths with junior foot in the door positions.

Current gens have very little of that stability and total exposure (I was lucky to see one or two photos of myself a year and only my friends knew and maybe judged my thoughts) - no wonder some of them struggle or look for alternatives when the road forward is so unclear, difficult and expensive with constant exposure and judgement from all angles. Maybe that's why the Pavlich replacement we were hoping for looks more like a Jesse? Anyway just adding my thoughts to the broader conversation. No intention to offend.

I'm not a fan of intergenerational bickering either
I have a great relationship with my son and my mum & my many friends and relatives of all ages

but has anyone else noticed that the young whippersnappers all have money in the bank and actually save from a young age?

Not sure about you lot but I didn't pull my finger out financially until I had another mouth to feed, hand to mouth it was regardless of the income level at the time

 

[salim malik]

Any news on Jesse?

 

[Monument Hills]

Nobody made me wear that cosby jumper!

c'mon, we all wore Hypercolour tees. No judgement.

 

[Halfbaked]

Any news on Jesse?

Mate not having a dig at all.
But better the shit about the good old days than shit about Jesse.
I lost my father while working away, it's hard.
I was lucky that I didn't get cancer 2 years later.

 

[yyou]

When I was 44 years old I had a 24 year old. [emoji23]

When I had just turned 41 I had a 20 (3 days before she turned 21 year old)
I married her & 11 years later we are still together
Excuse me, but I enjoy a brag


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[Purple Jesus]

When I had just turned 41 I had a 20 (3 days before she turned 21 year old)
I married her & 11 years later we are still together
Excuse me, but I enjoy a brag


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Pretty sure he's talking about his child and not his creepy side piece.

 

[yyou]

Pretty sure he's talking about his child and not his creepy side piece.

I know, & she is my wife, fella

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[bushchook]

He's not the first sports person to get away or get off an offense in the US because of having a stack of cash. Ever hear of OJ?

This is exactly the opposite of what happened in the Tyson case though. He had an incompetent attorney and a jury stacked against him, and the reason he got such a light sentence is there was severe doubt over his guilt even though he was convicted. There's been plenty written about it since, here's 1 article:

A Lawyer’s Look At The Mike Tyson Rape Trial - Indianapolis Monthly

After the Mike Tyson rape trial, a legal expert and courtroom observer's book gave a blow-by-blow of the case, excerpted in 1992.

www.indianapolismonthly.com

 

[muzzington]

I know, & she is my wife, fella

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You're married to his daughter?

 

[Halfbaked]

When I had just turned 41 I had a 20 (3 days before she turned 21 year old)
I married her & 11 years later we are still together
Excuse me, but I enjoy a brag


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Try having an Asian partner who is in her late 30s but looks 10 years younger, while I'm in my mid 50s and look 10 years older.
We have been together for about 10 years and can see the funny side of the looks we get. However the most embarrassing moment of my life was in KL about 5 years ago when i was offered $15 discount at a theme park. I only realised, when she called me dad, that it was senior discount.
In between tears of laughter she justified it by saying we saved $15.

 

[raffrox]

This is exactly the opposite of what happened in the Tyson case though. He had an incompetent attorney and a jury stacked against him, and the reason he got such a light sentence is there was severe doubt over his guilt even though he was convicted. There's been plenty written about it since, here's 1 article:

A Lawyer’s Look At The Mike Tyson Rape Trial - Indianapolis Monthly

After the Mike Tyson rape trial, a legal expert and courtroom observer's book gave a blow-by-blow of the case, excerpted in 1992.

www.indianapolismonthly.com

Oh no. The miscarriage of justice. Didn't he have his appeal dismissed anyway?

Are we still talking about whether a convicted rapist is a good bloke?

 

[Kram]

Ok, thread has officially jumped the shark.

 

[more_of_bito]

Dear Mod,

Delete every post that does not contain The words “Hogan, JH, Jesse, JBHogan”

All the rest is complete crap I just waded through for 5 pages...irrespective of their generation

 

[bushchook]

Oh no. The miscarriage of justice. Didn't he have his appeal dismissed anyway?

Are we still talking about whether a convicted rapist is a good bloke?

Nah I think we were talking about how rich people always get away with it. Someone compared the Tyson case to the Simpson trial when it was basically the exact opposite situation.

 

[Wally Walpamur]

This thread is a dumpster fire.

 

[malpaso]

Right. See this is where the whole thing was going (hence being the Hogan thread) and where I was pushing Carn to, you and others think this generation is weak for speaking up about mental health issues. You think that everyone is coddled so much that the slightest setback means they play the mental health card and blame society and not themselves. Not willing to work hard, given everything, not told hard truths and want a participation award?

I guess back in your day people just shut up, got on with it stayed miserable or offed themselves right? What a great generation to aspire to.

You will now comeback with a thats not what I meant comment but we both know it is.

I honestly was not saying what I said in response to 'mental health', what I said is an opinion of society in general and how children are being brought up by society to see the world. In regards to mental health, that is indeed a serious issue. My suggested opinion concerning Hogan (and other AFL players) is that the mental health approach is a way to mask quite normal behaviour for an 18-25 year old however not in a professional sports environment.

 

[raffrox]

Nah I think we were talking about how rich people always get away with it. Someone compared the Tyson case to the Simpson trial when it was basically the exact opposite situation.

Follow the conversation if you like as well.

I'm not spending time going into what was being discussed.

 

[Danny82]

Dear Mod,

Delete every post that does not contain The words “Hogan, JH, Jesse, JBHogan”

All the rest is complete crap I just waded through for 5 pages...irrespective of their generation

Totally agree. What is this crap? Intergenerational bickering, people bragging about tenure of their staff, price of their house, age gaps with their partner.. did I miss something and this is no longer a football forum?

 

[raffrox]

Totally agree. What is this crap? Intergenerational bickering, people bragging about tenure of their staff, price of their house, age gaps with their partner.. did I miss something and this is no longer a football forum?

I blame the Politics thread for uncorking the genie.

 

[Kram]

 

[malpaso]

Older people believe that younger generation has no respect and that world would be better if things were done their way.

Who would have thought it.

Pretty much the most cliched way of looking at the world really. People must be able to see how nonsensical it is to think that and not realise that that's the whole point of being young... to not do what old people do or want you to do.

It's only way anything has moved forward and its the way it's meant to be.

And it seems it's old people prerogative to get angry about this but it's just wasted rage really. The false belief that the world would just be better if everything stayed the same.

I actually really don't care about respect so much it's more about behavior and how kids are brought up/taught at the moment. They can do poorly at something and be told they did well but it's simply not true yet the child thinks it's fine. Then when they do get told they did poorly at some point they are shocked, dismayed and the world is evil.

Nothing here is about the world staying the same or doing things 'their' way. Failure and Success go hand in hand and children need to learn that instead of being bathed in pep talks all day.

This video sums it up. Turning Point