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ImperialPurple said:
fu** me. Mental illness DOES cause poor behaviour and behavioural choices. It can be all-pervasive and seriously impede sound judgement. Not in all cases, but in many.

It doesn’t discriminate between spoilt tossers, white collar workers, politicians, forklift drivers, farmers, whoever...

You have continually dismissed his mental illness as an excuse or a front. It’s not.
If the club moved him on solely because of his mental health issues, that is an absolute disgrace, and they should drown in a bucket of their own shame.

There’s clearly A LOT more at play, and his mental health would just be a part of why the decision was made. Maybe his poor mental health is a large part of the reason surrounding his poor choices, but I would hope that this decision has been made in conjunction with (more than one) psychologists and social workers, mapping out a plan that has most chance of helping him in the long run.

Moving him on is clearly the best decision for both Jesse and the club. I hope, for his sake, he can get his life on track and deal with his issues. My gut feeling is it’ll be really really hard, but mental illness is real, it’s not an excuse.

Sometimes a person’s well-being comes down to more than pick 54 in a footy draft.
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I agree with your comments on mental illness and share your hopes that he is ok but it is not up to football clubs to save people. The club is not only entitled to move someone on because their mental illness is affecting their ability to contribute, it is often the best course of action. Football clubs, and any employer, need to be aware of mental illness and need to show a duty of care, but they are not adopting people.
Ben Cousins, Dayne Beams, Jesse Hogan etc etc. I can see a situation one day where a player declared unfit because of ongoing mental health issues can be delisted by a club and they enter into a transition and care program overseen by the AFL to help them leave the system. Melbourne supporters are grateful Freo took him and now Freo supporters are grateful GWS took him. No one should be "grateful" he is gone and no club should have to carry the emotional and financial burden of a player who needs more specialised health care.
 
The only way to sugar coat this is to say at least we didn't swap Hogan for Zac Langdon... pick #54 instead, phew!
 
freowho said:
I agree with your comments on mental illness and share your hopes that he is ok but it is not up to football clubs to save people. The club is not only entitled to move someone on because their mental illness is affecting their ability to contribute, it is often the best course of action. Football clubs, and any employer, need to be aware of mental illness and need to show a duty of care, but they are not adopting people.
Ben Cousins, Dayne Beams, Jesse Hogan etc etc. I can see a situation one day where a player declared unfit because of ongoing mental health issues can be delisted by a club and they enter into a transition and care program overseen by the AFL to help them leave the system. Melbourne supporters are grateful Freo took him and now Freo supporters are grateful GWS took him. No one should be "grateful" he is gone and no club should have to carry the emotional and financial burden of a player who needs more specialised health care.
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Fair call. And it sounds that Freo did support him in his attempts to work on his mental health.

Conjecture - but it could be because he chose not to that he continually ****ed up, in which case, see ya later! You can’t help a person who doesn’t want help and maybe that was him.

I also agree it’s not up to footy clubs to save people, but if you give them a contract, you’re essentially saying ‘we value you as a part of our organisation.’ This has to be mutual of course, but an organisation is better resourced to help an individual than the other way round.

I also think that there is a Duty of Care from the AFL and the clubs to work with player who have a genuine diagnosed mental illness to try and assist with their recovery as much as possible. If after a period of time - like with physical injury - there’s no improvement then a full psychiatric assessment should be done to examine their abilities to fulfil their duties. If it’s deemed they can’t, then a delisting and payout arrangement should be met. With more and more players coming out and being more honest about the mental health issues they’re having, maybe it’s something the AFLPA needs to put on their agenda to have serious discussions about. Tough to just delist a player because their brain isn’t working ‘properly’.

But I agree - a program to help transition players into the real world is pretty much essential. If they choose not to engage with the program, then that’s their life.

Jesse might be a loose unit, but I feel a bit sad that people are/have been saying - He was Melbourne’s problem, they offloaded him to become our problem, now he’s GWS’ problem.

But my original point stands (and I know you agree), mental illness is real, it can affect behavioural choices, and impede judgement, and it’s not an excuse.

If he took time off for ‘mental health issues’, and did nothing to help himself other than self-medicate, then yeah, it’s on him. But it’s still not an excuse.
 

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I’ve never had much against ex players but I gotta say I don’t feel particularly warmly towards Jesse. Wasted himself both off seasons, took advantage of the club who seemed to offer plenty of support, pulled the piss right to the end. Honestly he can get stuffed and waste himself away at GWS before getting delisted in 2 years time (Can’t believe people think he’ll win a Coleman, wake up FFS). At least this disaster is over with now.
 
I have regrets from earlier life in relation to being better off today but I didnt have any real talent at anything.

Must be hard for these blokes in the future to come to terms with the fact that they were not in a space to turn that huge talent into gold.

Saw a highlight package and he did show some exciting passages for you guys.

Given WA is his home it is hard to see GWS being a better environment for success for him.
 
Patty_Moz said:
Embarrassing is a good word for it.
In such a cut throat industry, in the middle of a rebuild, this kind of decision likely costs a premiership down the line.
Yet again just so disappointed with the Freo Dockers.


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If you were a shareholder in any business (which we sort of are as members) and they made an investment that cost one million$$ and two years later sold that investment for $50k, you'd expect some sort of decent explanation. We'll get nothing.
Club has been disappointing at almost every turn in this saga IMO.
 

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salim malik said:
It's not the Hogan trade that's so upsetting it's the long list of the stuffed trades .Season after season.
From McLeod, Bell, Clement right through to Hogan, Bennell and McCarthy . Stuff ups.
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Very true but in the past we would have held on for far too long after our mistake

It’s not much but it’s something

Least we aren’t paying someone to play against us


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Geez, 54 is much worse than the worst case scenario I had in mind. There must have been some serious shit going on behind the scenes for us to be happy to get rid of him that cheaply. The club clearly views losing him for nothing as the lesser of two evils compared to having him on the list.

I don't expect him to amount to much at GWS btw. There's a real lunatics running the asylum vibe coming from that club, it's probably the worst kind of culture to drop someone like Hogan into.
 
Bicco said:
If you were a shareholder in any business (which we sort of are as members) and they made an investment that cost one million$$ and two years later sold that investment for $50k, you'd expect some sort of decent explanation. We'll get nothing.
Club has been disappointing at almost every turn in this saga IMO.
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I don't disagree but big companies waste millions on stupid shit all the time. Ever seen the figures on implementing an enterprise or finance system? Or something like a HR framework? Or pretty much anything in 'corporate services'? Or even just the ridiculously manual way they manage projects? Shareholders only give a crap about the bottom line. If they cared about and second guessed every decision internally then nobody would ever invest in anything.

Big picture wise this shouldn't be an excuse for Longmuir not to take this team forward. I think it's pretty clear they (the club) see it as an enabler to performing better not worse.
 

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I received a membership renewal email from the club today. Suffice to say I couldn't help but give them a spray and let my frustrations be known (not that they will take notice but it was cathartic) with regard to the price we paid for him, despite "due diligence" showing red flags. I then asked them to place themselves in my shoes (20+ year member) and try to fathom how I feel receiving the email today, when they have just traded this same player for the equivalent of a packet of chips/Zac Langdon and wonder why I am hesitant spending my money on membership going forward.
 
Trading Hogan for a third rounder is not a bad deal. That is about what he is worth with all the baggage and injuries.

The rotten deal was the original one that gave up pick 6 for him in the first place. There were red flags all over the place. This had Rosich and Lyon written all over it.

The club has done OK to get rid of the financial burden and get something in return.

Time to move on.
 
Losing Hogan is one thing but failing to turn it into anything better than pick 54 is an abject failure from Freo no matter how you look at it, you can't defend it. Maybe there were things behind the scenes which made keeping Hogan untenable and I've avoided criticizing our admin but we surely could have gotten a better outcome from this.
 
I've seen people say this sole deal is going to set the club back a few years and that it's ****ed things up, what exactly did Hogan do to make a difference to the team anyway? I love the bloke and wanted him in the team, but its not like we were doing poorly without him, we'll be fine.
 

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