Opinion JHF Trade 3 years later

[jackag24]

Of course it’s obvious, that’s why I stated he was a top 10 player per 100.

Even with his TOG, he’s still ranked 48th in the comp this season.

Are you thick?

The ratings say he's better than Sheezel too, do you believe that?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Of course it’s obvious, that’s why I stated he was a top 10 player per 100.

Even with his TOG, he’s still ranked 48th in the comp this season.

Are you thick?

Okay, so then he's the 48th best player, not a top 10 one, why even bring up the fact that he's top 10 and comparable to other top 10 midfielders in the league?

 

[Sphynx]

But he's not rated as highly as Warner, Miller, Dawson, because all three of those players currently are providing value to their team via the greater fitness to be able to have higher TOG than Wardlaw. Until Wardlaw matches their TOG - which you claim will be after a "few seasons of continuity" (lol), he is simply not as good as a player than them.

His rating is the same as Miller this season.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

It’s a way of quantifying impact.

It’s done in many sports, particularly basketball.

You called him the most overrated player in league and I’ve provided hard data detailing the complete opposite, yet you are crying that I’m cherry picking?

Wardlaw is absolutely one of Norths best 3-4 players, he’s back to his preconcussion form of 18 months ago when CD had him inside the top 20 for a decent sample size.

If he ramps up to 75% for anything like a consistent 100-150 games he will be Norths equivalent of Clayton Oliver statistically.

In basketball, there's an expectation that players can increase their minutes when the time allows. They have 5 on the court, but 7-8 on the bench, not 18/5. Players don't play minutes in blowout results, they do play more minutes in playoffs.

Wardlaw won't have the fitness to play 90% TOG if you play in the wildcard final in the same way that we expect LeBron to be able to play 45 mins in the NBA wildcard!

 

[jackag24]

The ratings say he's better than Sheezel too, do you believe that?

The ratings also say Rhyan Mansell and Kade Chandler are better than Sheezel and Wardlaw. Do you believe that?

 

[Sphynx]

Okay, so then he's the 48th best player, not a top 10 one, why even bring up the fact that he's top 10 and comparable to other top 10 midfielders in the league?

I didn’t compare him to other top 10 midfielders in the league this season other than Dawson.

The two players ranked in the spots directly ahead of him are Noah Anderson and Touk Miller and Max Holmes is directly behind him.

 

[Sphynx]

The ratings say he's better than Sheezel too, do you believe that?

Yes I do.

Because I watch these players far closer than you. As do the people who compile the advanced statistics.

Harry has had a very poor year by foot this year. And his ratings reflect that.

He’s not in our best 5 this year imo. Despite the disposal numbers.

 

[Sphynx]

In basketball, there's an expectation that players can increase their minutes when the time allows. They have 5 on the court, but 7-8 on the bench, not 18/5. Players don't play minutes in blowout results, they do play more minutes in playoffs.

Wardlaw won't have the fitness to play 90% TOG if you play in the wildcard final in the same way that we expect LeBron to be able to play 45 mins in the NBA wildcard!

Wardlaw has the fitness to play 75-80 though.

Hes playing 60 because of this thing called injury prevention, so it’s relevant.

 

[Sphynx]

The ratings also say Rhyan Mansell and Kade Chandler are better than Sheezel and Wardlaw. Do you believe that?

Kade Chandler has been awesome this year and should be in AA discussions.

You don’t think so?

Mansell has played 1 game..

 

[Rash]

JHF has such a high ceilling, Wardlaw wont come close.

JHF once/if Butters leaves will be one of the best players in the comp i think. Has potential to average 25 and almost 2 goals a game

 

[jackag24]

Yes I do.

Because I watch these players far closer than you. As do the people who compile the advanced statistics.

Harry has had a very poor year by foot this year. And his ratings reflect that.

He’s not in our best 5 this year imo. Despite the disposal numbers.

Interesting, and it also says Rhyan Mansell and Kade Chandler are better than Sheezel and Wardlaw. This doesn't seem right.

But you've already set the rules, we have no choice but to abide by the hard data!

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Wardlaw has the fitness to play 75-80 though.

Hes playing 60 because of this thing called injury prevention, so it’s relevant.

Until he actually starts playing 75-80, it's a empty, meaningless statement.

The fact that he needs to be managed to prevent injuries at all speaks to his values.

Until the day comes that he starts actually playing 75-80 - and not the theoretical possibility future universe that it may or may not happen - he is the player he is, the value he provides is the value he provides.

You seem to be a lot more optimistic (and footy fans of their own team generally are!) about the fact that Wardlaw will get himself fit than most people will be. He wasn't fit last year when he played 62% TOG in 2025. He was not all that much fitter when he played 73, not 75-80 in 2024. He wasn't fit when he played 59 in his debut season. Why is it a given that he'll ever be a 80% TOG player?

 

[Sphynx]

Until he actually starts playing 75-80, it's a empty, meaningless statement.

The fact that he needs to be managed to prevent injuries at all speaks to his values.

Until the day comes that he starts actually playing 75-80 - and not the theoretical possibility future universe that it may or may not happen - he is the player he is, the value he provides is the value he provides.

You seem to be a lot more optimistic (and footy fans of their own team generally are!) about the fact that Wardlaw will get himself fit than most people will be. He wasn't fit last year when he played 62% TOG in 2025. He was not all that much fitter when he played 73, not 75-80 in 2024. He wasn't fit when he played 59 in his debut season. Why is it a given that he'll ever be a 80% TOG player?

OK then, does it even matter?

Why are you focusing solely on his TOG?

He’s a top 50 player this season playing 60% TOG

Are you saying our 3rd best player this season is a net negative?

Would your opinion be different if he was playing 80 and simply ranked in the same position?

 

[Sphynx]

Interesting, and it also says Rhyan Mansell and Kade Chandler are better than Sheezel and Wardlaw. This doesn't seem right.

But you've already set the rules, we have no choice but to abide by the hard data!

I tend to rely on more than a 1 game sample size, but whatever suits your argument.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

OK then, does it even matter?

Why are you focusing solely on his TOG?

He’s a top 50 player this season playing 60% TOG

Are you saying our 3rd best player this season is a net negative?

Would your opinion be different if he was playing 80 and simply ranked in the same position?

Then he's a top 50 player. Not a top 10 one. Why even mention the fact that he's top 10 per 100 minutes at all then. That's something you brought up in the first place, not me.

 

[Sphynx]

Then he's a top 50 player. Not a top 10 one.

Which I stated.

Or was it not clear when I expressly stated what that statistical category was?

Maybe I need to preface some of this for you when I do it.

If I ever tell you Cooper Trembath has th highest center square hitout win % in the comp, it doesn’t mean he’s the best player in the league OK?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Which I stated.

Or was it not clear when I expressly stated what that statistical category was?

Maybe I need to preface some of this for you when I do it.

If I ever tell you Cooper Trembath has th highest center square hitout win % in the comp, it doesn’t mean he’s the best player in the league OK?

But why do we even care what George Wardlaw does "per 100 minutes" compared to other players - that the ranking is - when equalising the minutes he plays with other players is unlikely to be a reality that we ever live in? That's what per 100 minutes precisely does - looks to a reality that the players are playing the same amount of minutes.

Wardlaw's output for the 240% minutes on the field that he does play is certainly a bigger sample with far less variance than the output Trembath's centre bounce ruck contests bloody hell. If Trembath played another 100 centre bounce ruck contests I certainly wouldn't think that his hitout win % would remain as the highest in the comp. Wardlaw could play 100 more games and I would still think he merely averages 65% TOG on those 100 games.

 

[jackag24]

I tend to rely on more than a 1 game sample size, but whatever suits your argument.

Kade Chandlers played 6 games.

And it's not my argument.. it's yours

Why do you care about games played? What's that got to do with per 100 minutes?

 

[Sphynx]

Kade Chandlers played 6 games.

And it's not my argument.. it's yours

Why do you care about games played? What's that got to do with per 100 minutes?

Yes, we are talking about their player ratings this season. Playing every game this year help.

Or did you misread that as well?

You brought Chandler into the argument because you thought it was a point scoring opportunity. You just must not have watched much of him this year.

 

[jackag24]

Yes, we are talking about their player ratings this season. Playing every game this year help.

Or did you misread that as well?

You brought Chandler into the argument because you thought it was a point scoring opportunity. You just must not have watched much of him this year.

I don't see what you're getting so antsy about, i just wanted to confirm that you think Chandler is better than Sheezel and Wardlaw.

We can put this to bed now

 

[Sphynx]

I don't see what you're getting so antsy about, i just wanted to confirm that you think Chandler is better than Sheezel and Wardlaw.

We can put this to bed now

He’s been great, he’d be Ports second best player behind Butters at the moment also.

 

[jackag24]

He’s been great, he’d be Ports second best player behind Butters at the moment also.

Absolutely!

 

[Milanista28]

He's so fun to watch as well, super talent. 22 years old, has another level to go, most of that is an improvement in consistency.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

The bloke has had 1 decent full preseason in his 4 years in the game.

You should be thankful he has and isnt shredding your midfields on a weekly basis.

 

[jakson68]

JHF has such a high ceilling, Wardlaw wont come close.

JHF once/if Butters leaves will be one of the best players in the comp i think. Has potential to average 25 and almost 2 goals a game

The problem when Butters leaves is how will JHF be with the extra attention?
As an example, players like Ashcroft have Neale, McCluggage, Bailey and so forth to take attention of him.
Daicos is the main man at Collingwood and has to deal with a tag most weeks.

Will JHF be able to handle being the main man and cope with a tag?